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conceptmachine

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Hey guys, I know all insurance is gonna be different depending on what's insured but I'm looking to find a good baseline. My shop is 40x60 tin lined with closed cell insulation and finished office and bathroom. The only thing I'd like to insure in it, is maybe a car and my two cnc machines. I have farm bureau currently for home and auto. I'm not against using someone else. I'd just like to get a baseline for what everyone else is paying for what coverage?
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Posting a location is the only chance you have at getting a close guess. Then things like claim history credit score come into play and have the ability toreally throw things off. Why not call some insurance agents and get a real quote? In the end what some one else is paying has no batting on what you will pay
 

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Pay $800/year for our $450K house/30x40 shop in Las Vegas. Allstate currently.

Pay $3200/year for our $180K property including 3 modern pole barns and one 60s-era dairy barn in WI. Each machine shed/barn adds around $600 (40x60-ish)with 40-60K replacement value each. Older two story dairy barn alone is $1000/year, as it has a much higher replacement value. Farm Bureau.

It was quite the sticker shock insuring the farm, never had a claim in my life, but no weather in Vegas vs the tornado/hail zone of WI makes quite a difference.
 

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Your car requires an auto policy. Insuring a building won't cover a motor vehicle stored inside.

My 50X75 (don't remember the actual width) costs $175 every six months, but I may be slightly underinsured. The shop is on a couple of acres about a mile from the house. It is on a rider to my homeowners policy
 
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I know they are going to all be different, and I was planning on getting quotes. I am just seeing what everyone else is paying. I know they will all be different.
Thanks for the replies!!
The car I should probably insure, but it's one I'll be restoring/building.
My machines, I didn't know how they would cover those. I suppose maybe they would just go by cost to replace? Building is probably 100k, inside is another 125k.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say 1000/year. Not really too bad!
 

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Is this a business? Then it needs its own coverage even if it is on the same property as your house ....to cover the contents (work equipment)

If it is a hobby garage or studio then you can add it to your regular policy. Some companies automatically add on (other permanent structures) normally at 10% of the main building coverage. I added a bit to my coverage so I have about 180k for the garage building and I made sure I had enough contents. Mine was maybe $60.00 more
 

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I know they are going to all be different, and I was planning on getting quotes. I am just seeing what everyone else is paying. I know they will all be different.
Thanks for the replies!!
The car I should probably insure, but it's one I'll be restoring/building.
My machines, I didn't know how they would cover those. I suppose maybe they would just go by cost to replace? Building is probably 100k, inside is another 125k.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say 1000/year. Not really too bad!

I've spoken with my insurance agent about coverage of items in my garage. Vehicles need their own insurance. I'm building a buggy right now. If their were a fire in my garage, insurance would cover any parts not in the vehicle, but would not cover the vehicle. It would also cover any tools in the garage. I would recommend taking pictures so you have proof of the items. Also, I believe their is a limit to how much insurance will pay for items in the garage, so you will want to make sure your policy has high enough replacement value for items in the garage.
 

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I've spoken with my insurance agent about coverage of items in my garage. Vehicles need their own insurance. I'm building a buggy right now. If their were a fire in my garage, insurance would cover any parts not in the vehicle, but would not cover the vehicle. It would also cover any tools in the garage. I would recommend taking pictures so you have proof of the items. Also, I believe their is a limit to how much insurance will pay for items in the garage, so you will want to make sure your policy has high enough replacement value for items in the garage.

Generally what you say is true ... The problem many have is they try and match up unusual situations with mass market insurance companies ... Allstate and StateFarm for example. Trying to change or add coverage properly can be difficult and/or expensive. The OP has a speciality insurer familiar with outbuildings and equipment .. so they may have no problem doing what he wants.
 

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My cheapest insurance at one of my shops (commercial, two shops) is $750/month. Building is 60ft long 40 ft deep. Covers shop owned and employee owned tools, vehicles in parking lot, vehicles on test drive, building and appropriate business insurance.

My larger building is $1350 a month. Covers the same as above, but larger building, more employees, and more tools.
 

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A car will fall under automobile no matter where it is parked.

As far as machinery, I would get your agent out there and take pictures. Mine wanted to go over things in the office. I insisted that he come out as he had no clue as to what was what. He took pics of everything. Mechanics tools, machinist tools, mills, lathes, and so on. It only raised the insurance on the garage by less than $200. But my garage is non commercial.
 
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Insurance underwriter here....

The car will not be covered by your HO policy, you need a separate policy. If you are restoring it - look for classic auto insurance (Hagerty, Progressive, Safeco, etc....).

The typical HO policy will automatically provide 10% of the home value as coverage for 'other structures' - this includes detached buildings, fences, walkways, patios, pools, etc...). You can increase that limit to a higher limit by paying a per $1000 of coverage premium.

The contents of the garage (and I am presuming no business use here - hobby only) would be considered personal property and covered by your HO policy up to your policy limit for personal property. That limit is usually 50-70% of the home value and can be increased if needed.

It is important to note that coverage is for the perils insured against (usually 17 named perils - fire, theft, lightning....) and subject to the policy deductible. Make sure the perils insured against are to your liking. If not, you should be able to purchase 'all-risk' coverage for your contents.

If you conduct business in your detached structure - a whole different set of rules apply - first of which the structure is most likely excluded from coverage from your HO policy unless you purchased an endorsement to buy back the coverage. Second, business property is usually limited to $5 to $10K, but may be increased for additional premium.

Don't try to wiggle around whether there is business or not - the contract is pretty straight forward in that regard.

I could not agree more with taking photos or video of your stuff. You should do this annually in your home. Best time is after New Year as we usually gain items around Xmas. I suggest opening all drawers, doors, shelves, cabinets and make sure clear pics/video are taken. This not only documents your stuff, but the construction of your home and other structures so insurance people know what was there.

-David
 
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5% deductible with no riders. $3500 a year
 

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Insurance underwriter here....

The car will not be covered by your HO policy, you need a separate policy. If you are restoring it - look for classic auto insurance (Hagerty, Progressive, Safeco, etc....).
The typical HO policy will automatically provide 10% of the home value as coverage for 'other structures' - this includes detached buildings, fences, walkways, patios, pools, etc...). You can increase that limit to a higher limit by paying a per $1000 of coverage premium.

The contents of the garage (and I am presuming no business use here - hobby only) would be considered personal property and covered by your HO policy up to your policy limit for personal property. That limit is usually 50-70% of the home value and can be increased if needed.

It is important to note that coverage is for the perils insured against (usually 17 named perils - fire, theft, lightning....) and subject to the policy deductible. Make sure the perils insured against are to your liking. If not, you should be able to purchase 'all-risk' coverage for your contents.

If you conduct business in your detached structure - a whole different set of rules apply - first of which the structure is most likely excluded from coverage from your HO policy unless you purchased an endorsement to buy back the coverage. Second, business property is usually limited to $5 to $10K, but may be increased for additional premium.

Don't try to wiggle around whether there is business or not - the contract is pretty straight forward in that regard.

I could not agree more with taking photos or video of your stuff. You should do this annually in your home. Best time is after New Year as we usually gain items around Xmas. I suggest opening all drawers, doors, shelves, cabinets and make sure clear pics/video are taken. This not only documents your stuff, but the construction of your home and other structures so insurance people know what was there.

-David

Can't afford separate insurance for garage contents but my home insurance covers outbuildings and sheds.


To go along with what dsprint stated about classic car insurance.........it is NOT expensive. I pay $235 for the wife's '64 Cutlass Convertible per year for full coverage, limited to 3000 miles, give or take some. It is not expensive at all.

If you are restoring it, you can take the insurance off, but if you are doing it yourself, in your garage, you may want to rethink dropping it, or at least carry fire on t and maybe Comp, but for the price just carry the full coverage. The reason I say that.......if you have a fire, and your garage burns to the ground, your tools may be covered, but if you dropped the insurance n the car, you are screwed. There are a lot of people that when they park the car for the winter they take the insurance off to save some money. Big mistake.

Zebedwee........your contents should fall under your homeowners except for the vehicles. I don't know how you can afford insurance on things. Like I said, I made my agent come out and look at things in both my garage and y wifes building. My wifes building is fully insulated, drywalled, has about 30' of kitchen cabinets, plus her crafts. He took pics of everything in there. On my garage, I have a CNC, a regular mill, a lathe, and quite a few thousand in tools in three roller boxes and three tops, plus other tools. He took pics of all of my tools and equipment and told me that if I get anymore to call him, or send in some pics, The only think I have new is the lathe, but I told him what the replacement cost would be on average of the other items. I didn't ******** him once. We lowered insurance on other items like my wifes Longaberger because it is not worth what it used to be. It used to be insured for $40,000, but we had it lowered to $20,000 as a lot of it is non replaceable and collectable. We also had him take pics of every room in the house to show what is in there. All in all, we spent about an hour going through things.

He told me that he was very glad that I made him come out as he did not have a clue about a lot of things. He is not up on tools, so he did not know a pair of pliers from a ball peen hammer. So he had a lesson on how to judge things. I also told him that I had paint in the garage, thinner in the garage, and an oxy/acet set in the garage. He said that would not change things. All in all, our insurance went up a few hundred.

Now I did ask him about the paint, the thinner, the oxy/acet set..........and even though it doesn't make a difference as far as my insurance, I asked him if I should let the fire department know just in case something happened. He said that would be a good idea and the fire department can make a note beside my name and address in case something happens so they can be beware.

One thing to think about, gasoline in a car can explode as gas is flammable. But if you have a 5 gallon can of lacquer thinner, you have a real bomb as it is way more flammable than gasoline. To explain that a little better.......if you have a fire burning and throw a little gas on it (kids.....don't do this at home) gasoline will explode on contact with the fire. If you do the same thing with lacquer thinner, you may very well end up in the hospital. Lacquer thinner will explode from the vapors. More so than gasoline. And if you have an oxy/acet set in your garage, you have one bottle to feed the fire and another as a very lethal bomb.

So it pays to let the fire department know that they are not dealing with the standard garage with a few cans of bug spray in it.

The same goes for ones that reload their own ammo or are ammo hoarders. Let your insurance company know, and also let your fire department know. You also may want to let your immediate neighbors know. Just like most people, if their is a fire in the neighborhood, most neighbors will come outside to watch. If the house of an ammo hoarder or loader catches fire, that house has now become lethal. Can you imagine a few thousand rounds of live large caliber ammo going off in a house fire with people standing outside watching? I'd hate to kill a neighbor all for the fact my house accidently caught on fire.

NUTTS........if you are around, what do you think of it as far as letting the fire department and neighbors aware of things?
 

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The same goes for ones that reload their own ammo or are ammo hoarders. Let your insurance company know, and also let your fire department know. You also may want to let your immediate neighbors know. Just like most people, if their is a fire in the neighborhood, most neighbors will come outside to watch. If the house of an ammo hoarder or loader catches fire, that house has now become lethal. Can you imagine a few thousand rounds of live large caliber ammo going off in a house fire with people standing outside watching? I'd hate to kill a neighbor all for the fact my house accidently caught on fire.

Please watch this and stop spreading such ignorance

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$200k home on a 1/4 acre lot 100 miles inland from the Gulf of Mexico. 30 years of home ownership - No claims ever. Even after direct hit from a hurricane.

5% deductible with no riders. $3500 a year

That is expensive for 200k .. what's the contents?
 

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Standard Texas homeowner policy. Personal property $40k? I don't remember
No extras.

But insurance has always been expensive here. In the mid 1980's I owned a $60k starter home and the homeowners was $900 year.

And I do shop it
 

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DSprint2000 --- what about car parts? a friend of mine had his garage burn to the ground a few years ago (full of race cars,tools, and parts). None of the cars or car-parts (out of car) were covered by State Farm HO. They paid for all the tools they found in the aftermath (he did not have photo/video documentation).
 

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Please watch this and stop spreading such ignorance

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Well I guess I was wrong on that even though I wouldn't want to take a chance. But sickjuice.....according to your video you are correct, there are not serious projectiles. It still doesn't hurt though to let a fire department know, just in case they want to take safety precautions.

Just like my insurance company, when I spoke with them about what I have in my garage, it doesn't change my insurance premium, but it does make the fire department aware that there may be hazardous chemicals and such in the garage.

So you sir, I give in to you and thank you for posting the video. :thumbup:
 

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Now I did ask him about the paint, the thinner, the oxy/acet set..........and even though it doesn't make a difference as far as my insurance, I asked him if I should let the fire department know just in case something happened. He said that would be a good idea and the fire department can make a note beside my name and address in case something happens so they can be beware.


So it pays to let the fire department know that they are not dealing with the standard garage with a few cans of bug spray in it.

The same goes for ones that reload their own ammo or are ammo hoarders. Let your insurance company know, and also let your fire department know. You also may want to let your immediate neighbors know. Just like most people, if their is a fire in the neighborhood, most neighbors will come outside to watch. If the house of an ammo hoarder or loader catches fire, that house has now become lethal. Can you imagine a few thousand rounds of live large caliber ammo going off in a house fire with people standing outside watching? I'd hate to kill a neighbor all for the fact my house accidently caught on fire.

NUTTS........if you are around, what do you think of it as far as letting the fire department and neighbors aware of things?

Please watch this and stop spreading such ignorance


I don't think most fire depts pre-plan for residences, just commercial facilities that they would normally inspect. However if you do have a fire while you are home, it's very helpful to let the arriving OIC know what you have and where. Knowing that there might be an oxy/acet set, some nitrous bottles or a half dozen 1 lb jugs of gun powder would be nice to know. If you have a gun safe, the FFs can put a hose line in that corner of the home/garage and try to keep it cool.

Talking about exploding ammo is not ignorant. While people several feet away (outside the structure) might be perfectly safe, the guy making entry to battle the blaze would like to know what's going on. That .223 round might only pop and go 2-3 feet but in the middle of a house fire, I wouldn't want to take the chance of it hitting my SCBA facepiece, cracking it and making it fail in a 400° enviroment. I don't know if you would make it out if your facepiece failed in that situation. Besides the ammo, many people have loaded firearms in their homes or the supplies to reload which I'd rather not be around when they decide to cook off. I've had aerosal cans explode over my head, it's an uneasy feeling wondering what it is and what's coming next.

Complaceny will get you killed in the fire service. While the belief, that exploding ammo doesn't present much danger when cooking off, I can guarantee that most guys would not want to be around it when it happens. Watching a video about burning ammo is a lot different than crawling around in a burning home when things start happening.
 

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Standard Texas homeowner policy. Personal property $40k? I don't remember
No extras.

But insurance has always been expensive here. In the mid 1980's I owned a $60k starter home and the homeowners was $900 year.

And I do shop it

I have over seven times your current insurance w/ 5k deductible for less then 3k ... In PA ... I wonder whats up with TX...... that it is so high.



Cars: Some companies ... well at least one ... will cover a project auto and parts .... handled differentially and it can't be registered.


Classic insurance: Just make sure you review what is in the policy -- most people forget that the car is not the most important thing ... making sure you are covered should you have an accident is important .. lots of people for what ever reason get less coverage on classic cars .. forgetting that they drive them on the same roads.
 
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Eric.....thank you for your response. I know that I've stood around and watched a house burn before, but it is great to know what it is like from a firefighters viewpoint on things.

I live in the country and I have had some huge fires before. I've used gasoline, kerosene, and lacquer thinner to get them going. I have no fear of kerosene or diesel. Gasoline tends to make one really cautious. Lacquer thinner scared the **** out of me all for the fact that it will explode before it ever gets close to a flame. And not just an explosion with a flare up, but an explosion with a loud boom behind it. I did it once and will not do that again.

Thank you again Eric.
 
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