jakemac
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I think the R stands for "Revised". The bottom vise is an earlier casting.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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drivesitfar
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Taumac: the smooshed end of the main screw and a few oil holes and the R version is the newer one from the mid 40's and 50's. the round end of the main screw are from the 30's and early 40's. they are both great vises and just a bit too small for a GJ member so trade them both in and get a 206 or a C series vise.
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taumac
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LOL I'm always on the look.
Sure thing.
Here is the bottom of the vise and then the vise seperated. The dynamic jaw just pulls right out.
Clamped the vise down to get some better pics. Here's a shot of the half nut.
In this pic, the vise is open 10 3/4"
Pic showing the gap on between top of the slide and static jaw.
Pic showing lifting up on the dynamic jaw to allow quick adjust. Can slide it all the way closed.
I wonder if red was the original color? I'd like to clean it up and put it back just like it would have been when it was delivered to it's first owner. Any idea how old this vise may be? I'd love to hear the stories it could tell. I don't plan to abuse it, but someone has put enough torque on the handle at some point in it's life to bend it, so it must be built fairly tough.
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drivesitfar
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#9: i can't say that I've seen a vise like that yet so thank you very much for the pictures. coachmaker's jaws with quick release and a 1871 patent date in the original cast. boy the stories that vise can tell to be sure.
so do you have any history of it to share and maybe somebody else might have more knowledge about your vise?
Taumac:
Jeremy: i guess the next one i find might have to find it's way to Walker Turner DP drive in Portland, OR. it isn't very big just so you know because it almost fits in my small hand.
so do you have any history of it to share and maybe somebody else might have more knowledge about your vise?
Taumac:
Jeremy: i guess the next one i find might have to find it's way to Walker Turner DP drive in Portland, OR. it isn't very big just so you know because it almost fits in my small hand.
What's the difference between this Reed 204R
My my Reed 204
I thought the "R" stood for rotating.
Have a good one Gerard
This biggest difference I'm aware of is that the "R" version utilizes a split collar to retain the spindle. It is adjustable and you can adjust it for essentially zero play. You can see a screw near the Oil port that you must first loosen and then you can adjust the collar at the neck of the spindle.
Sure thing.
Here is the bottom of the vise and then the vise seperated. The dynamic jaw just pulls right out.
Athols having a buttress thread spindle certainly lend themselves to employing a half nut for quick release. Same concept as the Cardinal Speed Vises.
https://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=7226
Sorry for the sideways pics - don't know why Photobucket does that to me often, but they usually "sync" up and correct in an hour or so.
No, I sure don't. Seen it hit CL, txt the guy and met him an hour later. Looked at it, paid him $50 and loaded it in the truck. He said he "picked it up at a sale".
I know some stick to the $/# ratio, but the way I see it, a HF China vise is $40-70 and I'd much rather spend that much on old American iron.
I think I am going to head out in the shop and give it a coat of paint stripper.
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McBrownie
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Mine is in a red can, but the liquid is blue/green. On Zoro's site, the red can says that the liquid is amber colored. The squirt bottle says it is a blue/green liquid. They both meet the same MIL and ASTM specs. Then there's the green spray can! I don't know what's in that.
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Mine is in a red can, but the liquid is blue/green. On Zoro's site, the red can says that the liquid is amber colored. The squirt bottle says it is a blue/green liquid. They both meet the same MIL and ASTM specs. Then there's the green spray can! I don't know what's in that.
Thanks! I'll try the red can/blue liquid
kas_rustndust
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Thanks to oldldh & drivesitfar for the comments. Still a little confused as to what is factory and what is custom on this guy. "Cap" is actually a solid steel block with the Nut attached. Guide is shown in the attachments. A little cleaner today than yesterday. Pink stuff is Pipestone or Catlinite, a sandstone found Only, so they say, at the Pipestone National Monument here in MN. Mystery why a stone carver of small objects would use a monster vise other than it was all he had. Tight vise even with grease on the sliding jaw and oil on the screw. New photos attached. It will be up on the eb soon.
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McBrownie
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Kas,
The more I look at this one, the less I think it's a Wilton. We've seen some school/shop made bullet-style vises on this thread in the past. It doesn't mean that they aren't any good. It just means that they didn't come from a Wilton factory. What makes me think this , other than no casting marks, is the shape of the castings around the jaw inserts. Take a look at yours compared to this one:
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Very interesting. Not much is known 100% in stone about those. I as well as a few others on this forum have one. The consensus is that they were a trade school project or even hobby project similar to the Morrison mini vise supplied in raw castings that need to be machined. They all seem to be in the 4" range. The major and difference between those and a true Wilton is the key and key way are reversed from Wilton's design. Most likely to simplify the manufacturing process and eliminate a difficult internal broaching operation to the main casting. Yours appears to be missing the swivel base.
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Got the paint stripped. Used Aircraft Paint Stripper, then dunked in a hot water / blue Dawn dish washing liquid bath with a wire brush to get most of the paint off. Next was Engine De-greaser to get the bulk of the gunk out of inside the slide and static jaw. Finished off with a wire brush on a 3/8 drill.
I want to get the slide, handle, and jaws to shine more but I'm tired and calling it a night.
Now that the paint is off I see that it's a No 41 and not a 42 like I had thought it said.
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I want to get the slide, handle, and jaws to shine more but I'm tired and calling it a night.
Now that the paint is off I see that it's a No 41 and not a 42 like I had thought it said.
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Mohawk Dave
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Sure thing.
SNIP...
Pic showing the gap on between top of the slide and static jaw.
Pic showing lifting up on the dynamic jaw to allow quick adjust. Can slide it all the way closed.
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Oh wow, that's actually different than my Cardinal. My slide is tight, but the lead screw hole is oval shaped, allowing just the screw to lift up and then back down. Cool deal.
If you're selling, I'm buying.
I'm kind of diggin it "naked" too. If I paint it, I want to paint it as close to the original color as possible - *IF* I can even find out what color it would have been. I've got nothing in searching "Athol No 41 vise"
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drivesitfar
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#9: your Athol #41 looks awesome. i agree with the BLO and if you put 2 or 3 coats on your vise and want to paint it later we've had members do that with success.
here's my Reed 4C i like to show when we talk about BLO (boiled linseed oil) because i do like the look of naked steel.
here's my Reed 4C i like to show when we talk about BLO (boiled linseed oil) because i do like the look of naked steel.
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AllAboutTools
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drivesitfar-that reed looks damn good!!
alpinewhite
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Can someone please tell me about my Athol?
Can someone please tell me about my Athol?
Body Makers Vise
Compare to the 624 1/2. It is much smaller in size and weight.
Not your typical stout Athol. Smaller handle as well.
And in that other universe known as Fleabay, a C1 just sold for $760 in the last seconds----
alpinewhite
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I don't see my model number on the chart.Body Makers Vise
drivesitfar
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Alpine: your vise is an Athol (soon to be Starrett) 4.5 inch wide jaw vise that is a non swiveler. i do like the reinforced top of the dynamic slide.
I think Triton just posted the wrong chart off his computer or cell phone because that's a Columbian chart. he does show his Athol vises so he was on the right track.
nice vise
ALLAboutTools: thanks for the kudos on my Reed 4C and hoping to get it mounted on my steel bench soon.
BB: sorry for your loss
EX: maybe you should try to find out who the second best bidder was on that auction because he's your C1 buyer?
I think Triton just posted the wrong chart off his computer or cell phone because that's a Columbian chart. he does show his Athol vises so he was on the right track.
nice vise
ALLAboutTools: thanks for the kudos on my Reed 4C and hoping to get it mounted on my steel bench soon.
BB: sorry for your loss
EX: maybe you should try to find out who the second best bidder was on that auction because he's your C1 buyer?
You are correct. Sorry about that. I mixed numbers and grabbed the wrong info.
I have no answers as to the history.
GETRIDAONE
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Looks like my dads old woodworking shop
drivesitfar
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TFP: your Reed looks like it might have a hunk of cast missing coming off the static jaw that sits under the dynamic jaw. can you take a couple pictures of it sitting on the ground from each side and maybe take the dynamic (front) jaw all the way out? and take a few more pictures. hard to price a vise from a picture so always need a few more.
Ex: i know, but wouldn't it be nice if you had access to EBay's runner up bidders?
Get: I'm guessing that is the hub on your American Scale #79 that is sitting next to and almost as big as your Versa Vise? i hope to one day find a VV in the wild, but Balane seems to have the magnet for them in my area.
Ex: i know, but wouldn't it be nice if you had access to EBay's runner up bidders?
Get: I'm guessing that is the hub on your American Scale #79 that is sitting next to and almost as big as your Versa Vise? i hope to one day find a VV in the wild, but Balane seems to have the magnet for them in my area.
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topop101
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....hello.... TO ME !
macgee
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Somebody jump on this, 326 Athol For Sale in Charlotte, NC. Looks like it has the orig pipe jaws and swivel.
The jaws for a #326 is 6" wide and the weight is around 225 lbs.
Pretty rare to find a Athol this size and this old that is complete.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/4873987347.html
The jaws for a #326 is 6" wide and the weight is around 225 lbs.
Pretty rare to find a Athol this size and this old that is complete.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/4873987347.html
GETRIDAONE
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Thank You, I'll have to try and find some clear decal paper to print it on.
Drives, You are right about the #79. Paint is done and I am working on a new handle today.
oldldh
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oldldh
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Just because it's Monday...
There are a BUNCH OF VERSA-VISES for sale on Ebay!!!
And I thought they were semi-rare...
There are a BUNCH OF VERSA-VISES for sale on Ebay!!!
And I thought they were semi-rare...
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GETRIDAONE
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I got mine on Friday just before the market dropped.