wrenchguy
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Thrumcap;4612302 So I have a couple questions: - What size wrench does a 289 1/2 take? A #4? Thrumcap :canadian:[/QUOTE said:
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joe.striper
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Thanks. As soon as I get it I will start a new thread on the board. The seller told me that in his area everyone had one of these with the vise on it and when they shut down they were allowed to take it with them. It is at his ex wifes, hence the reason he has to get rid of it.
Justind97
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Can someone tell me if this is a real Record No3 vise?
I paid $20, so if it's not, not a big deal. It's fairly old, came from an old lady.
I paid $20, so if it's not, not a big deal. It's fairly old, came from an old lady.
drivesitfar
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Justin: it looks like a REAL Record vice to me. BTW you didn't pay too much for it. 
Flav: a lot of the main screw holders on Parkers have broken with mis use and one of the younger members in our forum cast a few in his college class. he might have sold out or there might be one in the parts section. where are you located and you might want to put that in your profile in case there is a member close to you that has one so you can avoid shipping?
Flav: a lot of the main screw holders on Parkers have broken with mis use and one of the younger members in our forum cast a few in his college class. he might have sold out or there might be one in the parts section. where are you located and you might want to put that in your profile in case there is a member close to you that has one so you can avoid shipping?
Justind97
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Justin: it looks like a REAL Record vice to me. BTW you didn't pay too much for it.
Thanks,
The only thing that strikes me odd is that it doesn't say record on it anywhere. Maybe a casting issue on this one and Record was never there at the factory or something? It weighs a good 35-40lbs and is quite stout, happy nonetheless.
drivesitfar
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Justin: Paramo is close to that look also so i'll let the guys that own a few of them give their thoughts why the name isn't on the vise. i'm pretty sure it's a Record and the Made in England means it was made there prior to the company moving it's factories to China. it does look pretty stout as you say and other than a little surface rust and a need for a little grease it looks ready to use after you bolt it on your bench. It's a keeper.
Trey T
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Where do y'all go to besides CL to find these awesome vises?
I've decided to leave mine naked. I hit it with a wire wheel again, lubed it up and wiped it down with CLP to keep the rust at bay. I'm going to get to work on a stand for it now.
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Those threads go so far up the screw. Interesting to see that.
joe.striper
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Really i find 99% on CL, but to be honest, CL is a lot like fishing. Everyone sees the same body of water but not everyone fishes the same way.
When searching use your imagination. Misspell words on purpose, look up topics that are on the periphery of your search. BE CLEVER. Over time you'll develop a list of words that work. I do not give up my search terms because I don't want the competition in my backyard. As I stated in an earlier post where I purchased a bench and vise for $100, the damned thing had been on CL for over 30 days! are you kidding me?
I'm not trying to be vague here but I have success looking for vises because I can cast a wide net and because I search the most obscure topics. I work full time and I cannot attend auctions or house sales, so CL is it. I treat sellers well, pay fair prices and always ask "do you have anything else to sell?" I scour CL ads always looking in the pictures' background and best of all, I had cards made up and when I make a deal I hand out a card and offer to pay referral fees. Now I have 18 people looking for me.
Some areas are better than others no doubt, but deals still exist everywhere and this site is fantastic! In 2014 i went to look at a vise on CL that was unique but a mess. I left the place and didn't buy it!! I think it was OldH and VA Grouseman who yelled at me and told me what is was, an un-restored Emmert 6A! it had been listed over 30 days. I immediately called the seller back, paid $160 for it and restored it.
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Exeter: That vise is gorgeous!!
Now, here are the pix of the vise that I picked up a couple of days ago. Though it is unmarked, the consensus was that it is a Parker. I'd love to hear anything else that someone observes or knows about it. Sadly, there is a crack in the slide and some clown also made a few passes with a hacksaw on it. It was a little tough to open with the rust and grime on and around the screw, but was easier the second time, so I put down the $50. I found some green paint under the silver when I did a little wire brushing on it. Might that be the original color?
The guy had told me that it said it was patented in 1887, but that's not what I see here.
Now, here are the pix of the vise that I picked up a couple of days ago. Though it is unmarked, the consensus was that it is a Parker. I'd love to hear anything else that someone observes or knows about it. Sadly, there is a crack in the slide and some clown also made a few passes with a hacksaw on it. It was a little tough to open with the rust and grime on and around the screw, but was easier the second time, so I put down the $50. I found some green paint under the silver when I did a little wire brushing on it. Might that be the original color?
The guy had told me that it said it was patented in 1887, but that's not what I see here.
Colin Len
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I'm completely new to the vise thread and vises in general, so be gentle 
I bought a home last year and the previous owner left a small Wilton in the garage which is now mine. Eventually I'd like to refinish it, but overall it looks to be in good condition. I forget off the top of my head if it's a 3" or 3.5".
I don't plan on selling it but I would be interested to know what the value would be. Also, I was wondering what a fair value for a 4-5" version of this vise would be? I already have a cheap $50 Craftsman 4" vise, but it'd be nice to have a larger Wilton since having a matching pair would be pretty cool I think. I've seen a few locally in the $250-$350 range on CL but not sure if that is too high or not. The FAQ I read here said something about $25/inch for Wiltons. But that would mean all the ones I'm seeing are listed at double the actual value. Or maybe pricing has increased since that FAQ was written?
Also, does anyone have a source for replacing the handles for the swivel clamps? Or an idea of how I could easily make replacements (I don't have much/any metal fab equipment).
Thanks!
I bought a home last year and the previous owner left a small Wilton in the garage which is now mine. Eventually I'd like to refinish it, but overall it looks to be in good condition. I forget off the top of my head if it's a 3" or 3.5".
I don't plan on selling it but I would be interested to know what the value would be. Also, I was wondering what a fair value for a 4-5" version of this vise would be? I already have a cheap $50 Craftsman 4" vise, but it'd be nice to have a larger Wilton since having a matching pair would be pretty cool I think. I've seen a few locally in the $250-$350 range on CL but not sure if that is too high or not. The FAQ I read here said something about $25/inch for Wiltons. But that would mean all the ones I'm seeing are listed at double the actual value. Or maybe pricing has increased since that FAQ was written?
Also, does anyone have a source for replacing the handles for the swivel clamps? Or an idea of how I could easily make replacements (I don't have much/any metal fab equipment).
Thanks!
The guy had told me that it said it was patented in 1887, but that's not what I see here.
Patent # 71,498 was patented Nov 26, 1867 by Parker. Maybe the "V" is worn off and it used to read "PAT. NOV 26, 1867"
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drivesitfar
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Dtep: are there any other names or patent information on the other side of the vise? i still don't know much about this Parker you bought, but I'll help you until somebody that has one checks in and posts. i do think that says 1887 so why don't you think it says that? I also think a green was one of the parker vise's color choices.
as far as that crack on the slide it can be brazed or i hear there are other types that work and will let the welders tell you if you want to fix it. i do know that if you are going to use it as is you should drill a small hole at the end of the crack to keep it from cracking further and the vise should work fine as is. if you do end up welding the crack i hear from everybody that preheating the vise and then cooling it down slowly either in an oven or in hot sand is the best method.
the bolt on the piece with the patent # on it is not original, but if it works i don't know that i'd change it.
good luck
Trey & ALL: I agree with Joe that you have to be a little creative in your searching if CL is your only choice especially if you have members in your area and one that puts one on his stump as often as possible. asking while looking at other tools has gotten me more vises than any method. one thing i won't do is ask to buy a guy's vise that he uses daily, but i will offer to trade him for another if he and I might like that deal. sometimes 2 or more vises for a big old vise is doable especially if i'm talking to a 90 year old that has owned it for 70 years or more.
as far as that crack on the slide it can be brazed or i hear there are other types that work and will let the welders tell you if you want to fix it. i do know that if you are going to use it as is you should drill a small hole at the end of the crack to keep it from cracking further and the vise should work fine as is. if you do end up welding the crack i hear from everybody that preheating the vise and then cooling it down slowly either in an oven or in hot sand is the best method.
the bolt on the piece with the patent # on it is not original, but if it works i don't know that i'd change it.
good luck
Trey & ALL: I agree with Joe that you have to be a little creative in your searching if CL is your only choice especially if you have members in your area and one that puts one on his stump as often as possible. asking while looking at other tools has gotten me more vises than any method. one thing i won't do is ask to buy a guy's vise that he uses daily, but i will offer to trade him for another if he and I might like that deal. sometimes 2 or more vises for a big old vise is doable especially if i'm talking to a 90 year old that has owned it for 70 years or more.
I don't see anything else on the vise other than the two 200's cast on the side.
I saw "Pat. No. 21?1887". But, given the patent sheet that you show, it appears I am mistaken. Thanks for the info and advice. Can't wait to hear more from the other experts.
drivesitfar
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Colin: it's hard to make fun of you or say that you don't know what the heck you are doing when you post a fairly clean old Wilton bullet. they are one of the best sellers for the last 70 years. whether its the best vise is debatable, but i won't go into that because i'd use my baby bullet all the time.
as far as value i doubt you could put $25 per inch or $ amount per pound on any vise. they are all very different in condition and once you get above 5 inches all bets are off as they get harder to find.
your wilton is roughly worth $150 +- depending on how wide the actual jaws are and if there are any hidden problems and as you get to the 4 and 5 inchers that price doubles and up from there. of course all depends on condition.
go to a member's site witonviseparts.net and he will have what you need for your Wilton.
Ex: good eye that it is 1867 patent on Dtep's vise and thanks for posting up the patent information.
as far as value i doubt you could put $25 per inch or $ amount per pound on any vise. they are all very different in condition and once you get above 5 inches all bets are off as they get harder to find.
your wilton is roughly worth $150 +- depending on how wide the actual jaws are and if there are any hidden problems and as you get to the 4 and 5 inchers that price doubles and up from there. of course all depends on condition.
go to a member's site witonviseparts.net and he will have what you need for your Wilton.
Ex: good eye that it is 1867 patent on Dtep's vise and thanks for posting up the patent information.
oldldh
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Justind97
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It seems as though my garage is a breeding ground for vises!
I've got 1 or two too many now. I haven't really decided.
In order:
Red Craftsman. 3" 1/2. Made in Japan. Free!
Record 4" No 100. $10
Questionable as to what the 3rd one is. Might be a record. No 3 on the side, Made in England. $20
Last but not least, the one my old man just dropped off.
Woden 5/8. 5". Made in England. Free.
Not a bad investment so far! I'm not sure whether I should thank you guys for my newfound tool obsession or not.
I've got 1 or two too many now. I haven't really decided.
In order:
Red Craftsman. 3" 1/2. Made in Japan. Free!
Record 4" No 100. $10
Questionable as to what the 3rd one is. Might be a record. No 3 on the side, Made in England. $20
Last but not least, the one my old man just dropped off.
Woden 5/8. 5". Made in England. Free.
Not a bad investment so far! I'm not sure whether I should thank you guys for my newfound tool obsession or not.
joe.striper
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Exeter: That vise is gorgeous!!
Now, here are the pix of the vise that I picked up a couple of days ago. Though it is unmarked, the consensus was that it is a Parker. I'd love to hear anything else that someone observes or knows about it. Sadly, there is a crack in the slide and some clown also made a few passes with a hacksaw on it. It was a little tough to open with the rust and grime on and around the screw, but was easier the second time, so I put down the $50. I found some green paint under the silver when I did a little wire brushing on it. Might that be the original color?
I have NO doubt that is a Parker. I recently had a very old bolt-through-the-bench Parker. The only marking were 'Parker, Meriden CT' stamped on the top of the JAW! So use a wire wheel and check yours for that marking as well.
This one is the original green, more or less. it also had a cracked slide and NO SPINDLE COVER like all modern Parkers have. This was a 3.5" vise
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CwazyWabbit
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I see quite a few US vises in this thread that have cracked slides, I've not seen any in the UK and I'm curious as to what causes it? Is it people using the slide as an anvil?
You guys seem to have a much greater range of vises that have been produced as well .... I'm not jealous ... honest ... ok I am
You guys seem to have a much greater range of vises that have been produced as well .... I'm not jealous ... honest ... ok I am
joe.striper
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I see quite a few US vises in this thread that have cracked slides, I've not seen any in the UK and I'm curious as to what causes it? Is it people using the slide as an anvil?
You guys seem to have a much greater range of vises that have been produced as well .... I'm not jealous ... honest ... ok I am
Yes people use the slides as anvils BUT on some of the vises, especially bigger ones, there was trouble getting good castings and if the metal didn't flow well the castings cracked on the slide. Ive seen lots of Prentiss' vises like that. I had a Parker 825 that i couldn't get the slide out because of that, what a bear!
va.grouseman
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Matchless has provided us with a good prime time show for Monday night.---Jumped out of the gate pretty strong.---Nice looking 4C.---This is on the Reed channel.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINTY-185-l...176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4daabc08
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Then Autopts has presented us with entertainment on the Wilton channel in the form of a really sweet Snap-on, for Friday night.---Thanks Autopts, I'll be watching.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNAP-ON-WIL...d&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=121562119176&rt=nc
The 4C may not sell, but Autopts will be boxing up the Snap-on.
Lock and load fellows.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINTY-185-l...176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4daabc08
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Then Autopts has presented us with entertainment on the Wilton channel in the form of a really sweet Snap-on, for Friday night.---Thanks Autopts, I'll be watching.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNAP-ON-WIL...d&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=121562119176&rt=nc
The 4C may not sell, but Autopts will be boxing up the Snap-on.
Lock and load fellows.
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CwazyWabbit
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Joe Thanks for the info, I did think there had to be more to it than just using it as an anvil, we certainly have our fair share of vice abusers in the UK so I'd have expected to see as many split slides here if it was purely down to the beating.
You guys have some insane size vises, I don't think I've seen anything larger than around 100lb in the UK.
You guys have some insane size vises, I don't think I've seen anything larger than around 100lb in the UK.
Hi Guys and Gals,
It is really great to see all the interest in Chas Parkers. They are a favorite of mine but I think it has created a shortage of Chas Parker #2 swivel handles. Occasionally one pops up on eBay and you have to be fast to hit “buy it now” and if no “buy it now” the price can go up quickly. So I decided to do something about it. I made my own #2 swivel handles. No, they are not original; they do not have any Chas Parker lettering….but they do work just like the original!!! For a user vise or a vise to sell on Craigslist, I think this will be fine. If I am restoring a nice collector quality Chas Parker this will work until an original can be found.
Greg
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It is really great to see all the interest in Chas Parkers. They are a favorite of mine but I think it has created a shortage of Chas Parker #2 swivel handles. Occasionally one pops up on eBay and you have to be fast to hit “buy it now” and if no “buy it now” the price can go up quickly. So I decided to do something about it. I made my own #2 swivel handles. No, they are not original; they do not have any Chas Parker lettering….but they do work just like the original!!! For a user vise or a vise to sell on Craigslist, I think this will be fine. If I am restoring a nice collector quality Chas Parker this will work until an original can be found.
Greg
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893cv
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Nice detail on the handle, and very nice overall restoration.
Thrumcap
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Thrumcap
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Folks, here's the link to the Prentiss 8.5" i mentioned a couple pages back. I bet this one goes high to loonie.
Zkling: your message store is full and you can't receive messages.
http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscmy/catalogue-id-bscmy10183/lot-d55c0e40-37df-40f2-8963-a41b012ab8b4
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Zkling: your message store is full and you can't receive messages.
http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscmy/catalogue-id-bscmy10183/lot-d55c0e40-37df-40f2-8963-a41b012ab8b4
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McBrownie
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Colin,
The 9300 is a 3". I have the same one with a "12 20 62" date stamp. Even though it is only a 3-incher, it's a great vise and my go to when i need to hold small precision parts. I got a set of smooth jaws from KMScott, which are much better than the originals.
http://www.wiltonviseparts.net/3-x-...on-vise-jaws-fits-the-wilton-9300-and-101014/
Your's is in great shape and I think I would just wipe it down with something like wd-40 and put it to work.
xxaler
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That table has no business being attached to that vise.
oldldh
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And I thought all Canadians were strange from all that frozen air, and snow...
Boy was I wrong...
That 8 1/2" "Swivlin' B@#tard" needs a proper/real support system...
Thrumcap
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And I thought all Canadians were strange from all that frozen air, and snow...
Boy was I wrong...
That 8 1/2" "Swivlin' B@#tard" needs a proper/real support system...
Yes, all that extra junk precluded an easy shipment up to the border.....
Well it's into February and we're starting to get a little bent with all these icestorms lately...especially this guy....
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/chainsaw-used-for-snow-removal-after-nova-scotia-storm-1.2943391
Some light entertainment from a group called Buddy Wasisname and The Other Fellers that pretty much explains things....
xxaler
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Outlawmws
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Exeter: That vise is gorgeous!!
Now, here are the pix of the vise that I picked up a couple of days ago. Though it is unmarked, the consensus was that it is a Parker. I'd love to hear anything else that someone observes or knows about it. Sadly, there is a crack in the slide and some clown also made a few passes with a hacksaw on it. It was a little tough to open with the rust and grime on and around the screw, but was easier the second time, so I put down the $50. I found some green paint under the silver when I did a little wire brushing on it. Might that be the original color?
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The guy had told me that it said it was patented in 1887, but that's not what I see here.
Dtep: Definitely a Parker; The Nov 26 pat date is 18 sixty 7
That is a common crack on slides that have been used as anvils, the good news is its an easy repair.
And it could well be the ordinal green. If you go back about a month I have a vise that era (Mostly painted red...) and I'm pretty sure I posted pics of the bottom with the original green.
What "era" is that? I'm curious as to how old this vise is (or isn't).
Outlawmws
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Oh, and I'm pretty sure my vise and yours are the same family of Parkers, if not the same size. Mine is marked Parker, and is a No. 3 with 4-3/4" jaws.
Definitely over 100 years old, possibly over 130, but not over 148. Mine had three 1867 patents, and one 1854 patent.
They did make them until the late 1800's but were definitely off the catalogs by 1901, probably earlier.
Definitely over 100 years old, possibly over 130, but not over 148. Mine had three 1867 patents, and one 1854 patent.
They did make them until the late 1800's but were definitely off the catalogs by 1901, probably earlier.
Outlawmws
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You guys have $40 bills up there? I knew they did some strange things up there, but I didn't realize it went that far.
Nice vise.
xxaler
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$27 bill, $16.53 bill, we make them all.
oldldh
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Blue Frog
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This thread is lively - seems like only a few days ago we were anxiously anticipating 1000 pages. Reaching 1239 today, we'll soon be approaching 1300.
What a ride!
Blue
What a ride!
Blue
OK this just a question , If someone wants this vise I will link the craigslist ad:
Here is the question this vise is posted for 125.00 but to me it appears it is missing the swivel base?
I am just curious as I am half poking around for another vise to put in the larger garage where I do welding and such. So you vise aficionados is it missing a piece ?
Cypher
Here is the question this vise is posted for 125.00 but to me it appears it is missing the swivel base?
I am just curious as I am half poking around for another vise to put in the larger garage where I do welding and such. So you vise aficionados is it missing a piece ?
Cypher