Updated Chinese Cut50F Group Buy

[mshell56118]

I sent email still do not see name on list


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[bczygan]

I sent my invoice request yesterday, but the more I look into this unit the more I am starting to have second thoughts. I am sure others of you have been looking into this unit as I have and maybe you found things I haven't.

The thing that is making me the most nervous is the price of and the seeming lack of consumables for the cut50F. Am I missing something in my searches? All I can find are a couple listings on Ebay. Consumables for the regular (non pilot-arc) cut50 models are plentiful from many different online sources and also very economically priced by comparison. Maybe it would help knowing the actual model of the torch and then searching that way.

The cut50F consumables are a good price when included with this group buy which definitely helps, but how likely is it that I will be able to find more when those run out in a year or two? I am starting to wonder if I would be happier in the long run with the regular cut50 just because there are a lot more of them out there so product support would be more likely to continue long into the future. I can get a new torch handle for the cut50 on Ebay and elsewhere for $20 shipped, or a new handle with leads and hose for $50-60, but I can't find any listings for cut50F parts anywhere. Is there some other designation the cut50f goes by for me to find search results? It seems like the more I search the more I feel like a cut50 or a cut50D would be better for my needs. Does anyone else feel as I do or have any other sources for future parts?

aquamoose is ordering extra. And they are so cheap, why not order a few extra with your order. You are suffering a little buyers remorse. Power through it.

And for those who are worried that the list isn't updated and Aquamoose isn't answering EVERY email or post right that second.......I understand.

I was getting a little freaked out yesterday, until I looked up Sean's company and realized he was busy with business, and this is a volunteer side job for him. He'll get to it, just maybe take a day or two.

My biggest concern is that a lot of people in the list, who are thinking that the whole thing fell through, just won't hear otherwise, and won't order in time.

Bill

 

[donthelegend]

I was under the impression that all of the Cut50 variations use the same torch and thus the same consumables? From what I've read about how pilot arc works (admittedly very little) you don't necessarily need a special or different torch to make it work. Newer and nicer machines do use a different torch but there is more than one way to make it work.

Edit: Link to a description of two different pilot arc mechanisms from Jim Colt at Hypertherm: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/12505736-post7.html

Edit 2: Further research = different consumables for Cut50F. Somehow all my searches ended up with the Cut50F versions and I just now found the other consumables.

 

[Fredfox32]

jeremy v,

search ebay for AG-60 consumables.

 

[donthelegend]

The Cut50F uses completely different consumables from the regular cut50.

Yep, not sure how but all my searches for Cut50 plasma cutter led directly to the Cut50F consumables... didn't realize what the non F versions looked like till just now.

In any case, I found the Cut50F versions from no fewer than 5 sellers in about 10 minutes so I'm not at all concerned about availability

 

[Fredfox32]

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Inverter-IGBT-Poilt-Arc-Air-Plasma_60063648623.html

For some reason it wont link to the item

I searched google for cut50f, clicked on the alibaba link, scrolled down to the machine that looks like the one in the first post. Says SG55/ AG60 cutting torch

 

[madcrisis]

I want in but I'm working on gathering funds. When is the cut off date?

 

[bczygan]

I want in but I'm working on gathering funds. When is the cut off date?

Last word I heard was the 16th, but you could place your order via email, get the invoice right away, and then pay as soon as you get the funds.

Also, PayPal has credit available with no interest for 6 months for a purchase like this.

Sounds like the consumables thing isn't a problem either. Maybe someone could list links to all the suppliers.

Bill

 

[olds463]

AFAIK the "50F" series has been around quite some time now..

I'd be interested in seeing what torches are compatible with this.

 

[CarterKraft]

catching up today, email tomorrow.

 

[ishiboo]

Here's the deal... these are made and horribly marketed/branded. So I wouldn't go off the "CUTXX____" name other than to see the amperage, which seems to be correct.

A regular "CUT50" machine can mean anything. Mine says CUT50 alone, but it is the newer pilot arc model with the digital amperage readout.

A pilot arc machine has 4 connections on the front... the torch gas/electric, trigger, work lead (not a ground, the work lead on a plasma is positive and the torch is negative.) If you have a pilot arc machine, it adds a connection to the work lead that goes out to the torch, so that it can strike an arc without being near the grounded part.

The torches are pretty standardized and I wouldn't worry about consumable availability. There are also machine torch bodies, higher quality torches with molded-in triggers, etc. Unfortunately none seem to be as high quality as the Trifamet torch on the HF. (It's only good for 45A though.)

 

[buldozer]

Sent the email yesterday and have not heard anything yet but I am sure I will before the 16th....

 

[mdurbanc]

Here is some information on consumables I had posted back in the original thread:

With respect to consumables, you need to shop based on the torch being used, not necessarily the plasma cutter model. The various different models of Chinese Cut50 have come with different torches, with and without pilot arc.

The pictures in the first post, plus the pictures and YouTube video in the thread linked in the third post show the torch being used is the SG55/AG60/WSD60 style. In my research, the consumables are identical for the Pilot Arc and non-Pilot Arc version of these torches.

The consumables listed in this thread for PT31 or LG40 are not correct. Below are some pictures showing the difference between the two different torch styles:

SG55/AG60/WSD60 torch and consumables: http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/...C-Plasma-Cutter-CUT60-60P-50P-CONSUMABLES.jpg

PT31/LG40 torch and consumables: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/921/215/387/387215921_585.jpg

Note the PT31/LG40 style uses a reversible electrode, swirl ring, nozzle, and cup. The SG55/AG60/WSD60 lacks the swirl ring, with only a non-reversible electrode, nozzle and cup.

Here are some links posted previously in this thread for the correct consumables:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/18-Consumab...231?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cf110fa7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WSD-60-WSD-...131003132420&rk=6&rkt=6&sd=400455105425&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SG-55-AG-60...425?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3cfbfb91

Incorrect consumables:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/85pcs-LG-40...278?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bf3f9b1e

http://www.ebay.com/itm/235pcs-LG40...035?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7790463b

I hope this helps.

Riverweld offers nozzles with different orifice sizes for cutting at 40A (0.9mm) 50A (1.0mm) and 60A (1.1mm)
http://www.riverweldstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1689_1722&products_id=7425
http://www.riverweldstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1689_1722&products_id=7428
http://www.riverweldstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1689_1722&products_id=7427

I think the benefit here is that when you are cutting thinner material with the machine turn down to 25-35A, you can get a finer cut with the smaller nozzle orifice. I have not tried different nozzle orifice sizes, so I cannot comment firsthand on how they work.

I own a non pilot arc Cut50 purchased back in 2008. It came with the SG60 torch with the plain plastic tube handle with external micro switch. I have since upgraded to a molded plastic handle with trigger switch I purchased on Amazon for under $20.

Keep in mind the absolute cheapest consumables are usually not the best. I ordered a set of cheap consumables off Ebay last year, and they were visibly not of the same quality as the originals. The surface finish on the nozzles and electrodes were rougher, and the inside of the nozzle orifice looked like it had been de-burred with a drill bit. Also, the outer diameter of the nozzle tip was different than the original, and the diameter of the nozzle tips varied within the lot of 10 pieces I received. This will matter if you are using any templates for precise cutting that rely on the nozzle tip diameter to be a consistent size. With the OD of the nozzle varying, I have to wonder what kind of tolerences are kept on the inside profile of the nozzle, where it is even more important.

I am attaching a PDF document with some more info and pictures of the SG55/AG60/WSD60 Plasma Torch I have collected. Sorry if the PDF is a hassle, it was just the easiest way for me to get the pictures posted.

Marty

 

[MoparTrucks]

Sent my e-mail last night and am waiting for the invoice so I can send in payment.

 

[falconero]

Number 302 indeed recieved
Invoice

 

[Aquamoose]

(Duplicate post)

 

[Aquamoose]

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[Aquamoose]

CUT-OFF DATE - FRIDAY, FEB 13​

I'm planning to stop taking orders from new folks on Friday at midnight PST.​

Please double check your status on the list and contact me directly of there is a problem. I've been providing updated counts to China and they are tentatively working on putting together an estimate to put in the production schedule to keep things on track. (The factory is now closed but their offices is open until the 16th)

Thanks for your patience and hope you'll give me a little more as I'll be busy again tomorrow with my business BUT I'll try to address urgent emails & posts when I can before I get back onto this on Friday.

Please do not panic if your order isn't complete due to various reasons by the cut-off date. If you've emailed me, your foot is squarely in the door.

Thus far, the updated count:

115 cutters paid for
66 cutters on open invoices (41 in the last 24 hours)
6 placed orders but can't invoice until more info is given.

FYI, I haven't counted the consumables.

If you noticed the split list, the first was "full" and I had to split it up. After the cut-off date, I will pare down the list to fit back on post #2 while keeping the original numbers.

Any questions, please ask here.

Good night, (or good morning)

 

[toolmuchtool]

Aquamoose I'm not sure you got my PM? Do you now how much to ship to Honolulu Hi. 96819 ?

 

[jethrob]

I just paid, gonna try and fa-get-bout-it till May.

 

[bczygan]

Aquamoose I'm not sure you got my PM? Do you now how much to ship to Honolulu Hi. 96819 ?

Did you send him an email per the instructions on post #1?

After you do, he will calculate shipping and send an invoice through PayPal.

 

[toolmuchtool]

I thought I was suppose to send a PM through this site. Thanks for letting me know, as I now see it was suppose to be his email. I just sent him a email. Thanks for the help Aloha, James

 

[Mridolfo]

35 - Mridolfo mark me down as paid.

 

[3 at 8]

#239. 3 at 8 Paid Thanks again. This is going to be huge.

 

[tiggi]

#141 invoice paid - PayPal transaction number 1JA24080KH5647531

 

[Bluefox]

I'm in e-mail sent, New-Bluefox Thank you for taking this on.

 

[mindedc]

Email sent

 

[ncfh]

I submitted order via email on 7th, still waiting for an invoice.

 

[sb7979]

#253 - jeremy v - invoice just received, and invoice paid. Thanks Aquamoose and everyone else for all your hard work.

Your second thoughts must have gave way to third thoughts?

 

[bczygan]

I submitted order via email on 7th, still waiting for an invoice.

The list shows you (#118) as having submitted an order. There are 6 people who didn't give enough information for an invoice to be generated.

Those who have emailed their info and not received an invoice should email Sean at:

[email protected]

Bill

 

[autoclassicnut]

Thanks for all of your work in putting this together Aquamoose!

 

[SlowAl]

Email resent for #206. If I'm one of the people that didn't submit enough information I'll need to know what I didn't submit as I'm not seeing it.

 

[doctordirt]

Invoice received and paid. Thanks again.

 

[blazinchuck]

just emailed my info, sorry im a little late...havent been getting any updates. subscription must not be on. ima fix that

 

[Ameshel]

Here is two photos of the three prong dryer plug and model number

This plug is one of the cheapest and most robust plugs and has been a standard for most welders .


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[bczygan]

How about an existing circuit with a 3 prong range receptacle?

Here is two photos of the three prong dryer plug and model number

This plug is one of the cheapest and most robust plugs and has been a standard for most welders .


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[Ameshel]

Bczygan this plug was known commonly as a dryer plug , dryer plugs recently went to a 4 wire plug . Stoves use either 3 or 4 wire plugs . Take a look and pick up a compatible plug . This unit will probably only have three wires (L1,L2, common) for this unit you can use a 4 pin plug if that is what you have on your wall. You just ignore the ground pin as there is no wire to your unit.


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[bczygan]

This unit should come with a wire that includes a L1, L2, and a green ground. You ignore the neutral terminal if you use a 4 prong plug, not the ground.

This sounds correct.
(I'm getting old and forgetful)
What wiring size and type, and what breaker should be used in a new circuit for this. We didn't discuss that yet, did we?

Bill

 

[Maui]

Number 161 on the original list has been invoiced and paid. My invoice number is 143.

Maui

 

[tiggi]

is it too late to get some consumables also? Sorry for last minute change of mind.