Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT The 12-Gauge Garage

[Jlbc212]

Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

Even though a car, such as a BMW, may be clean burning, it is consuming oxygen. Jack may have a "leaky" garage allowing enough O2 in, hence no change in the carbon monoxide level. If the available oxygen level becomes depleted, insufficient combustion can occur resulting in the production of Carbon monoxide. It is always a good idea when running an engine inside a garage to keep a door open and to have a carbon monoxide detector in the garage.

 

[charlie v]

Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

Not to scare folks, but if I could add......

CO is something not to be messed with. It is odourless and tasteless. Prior to retirement, I work a few decades for a local natural gas utility. Responding to gas emergencies, I have been involved with and witnessed far too many incidents where people have suffered from CO poisoning due to lack of maintenance, faulty appliances, venting, etc.

One needs to be careful with CO. This **** can kill you.

My experience has been that CO is lighter than air. We always detected slightly higher concentrations at the ceiling. Our business rule was, we do not enter a home if the concentrations at the front door were above 100 PPM. I had to give a few of the guys **** for trying to be the ****** hero and entering a building with higher concentrations. Our business practice was to turn off the gas supply, encourage the people to leave the building and hire a qualified gas contractor to make repairs. Believe it or not, some people would just turn on the their gas without repairs. If we had a subsequent call for CO, the gas meter was then removed.

As an example, a home with a modern high efficiency boiler exhausting out the side of a home. The appliance was over sized for the application and it was short cycling. The appliance was very "dirty" until it was at full operation temps - high CO levels being dumped out the exhaust. The neighbor immediately adjacent always had their second story bathroom window open because they didn't have a bathroom exhaust fan. With the house having a slightly negative air pressure, it sucked the CO right in the bathroom window. Same floor as the bedrooms. CO detector was on the first floor. Luckily, this family only ended up spending the night at the local hospital because the entire family of 4 had CO poisoning. Neighbor didn't care about the exhaust and the only practical solution for the homeowner was to have their bathroom window closed.

Note - children are more susceptible to CO poisoning.

The above example was a prefect storm, but shows you how easily CO poisoning can happen.

Please be careful with CO.

Carbon Monoxide (CO) Exposure Limits
PPM, Time, Comments
35 – 50, 8 hours, The maximum allowable concentration for continuous exposure in any 8 hour period, according to OSHA.

200, 2 to 3 hrs., Headache (mild)
400, 1 to 2 hrs., Headache (mild)
800, 10 to 15 min., Dizziness, nausea
1600, 20 min., Headache, dizziness, death within 1 hour
3200, 5 – 10 min., Headache, dizziness, death within 1 hour
6400, 1 – 2 min., Headache, dizziness, death within 1 hour
6000 – 8000, 5 min., Incapacitation
12,800, 2 – 3 breaths, Unconsciousness
12,800, 1 – 3 min., Death

 

[Strouty]

Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

Every year we have people who run generators in the garage so they don't have to go outside to refuel it during a storm. Sadly it will kill an entire family if the garage is attached to the house.

 

[Charles (in GA)]

Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

After I installed my Lanair Used Oil Furnace (LINK HERE) in my shop I bought a CO detector and plugged it into an outlet in the shop. The furnace is a typical oil furnace design but I had concerns about the combustion chamber leaking or CO leaking out of the flue pipe joints or barometric damper in the event of a reverse flow for some reason.

Charles

 

[1redTA]

Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

it is important to have CO detectors in any room where sleeping may occur and CO is slightly lighter than air

 

[Jack Olsen]

Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

I went with this advice on placement:

Getting the Height Right

You must ensure you get your carbon monoxide detector installation height right. While some guides might recommend placing your detectors on the ceiling, we don't agree.

The specific gravity of Carbon Monoxide is 0.9657 (with normal air being 1.0), this means that it will float up towards the ceiling because it is lighter than regular air. However, when a build up of dangerous levels of CO gas is taking place, this is nearly always due to a heat source that is not burning its fuel correctly (motor vehicle exhaust fumes are an exception). This heated air can form a layer near your ceiling which can prevent the Carbon Monoxide from reaching a ceiling detector.

For this reason we suggest that it is best to mount your detectors on the walls at least a couple of feet below the height of the ceiling. If your detector has a digital read-out, then we recommend placing it at about eye level so you can easily read it. Or if you have some other structure, like the exposed beam in this photograph which is positioned below the ceiling level, then you can attach your carbon monoxide detectors to it instead.

 

[Jack Olsen]

And since I was out running some errands today, and since it was 79° out, I took the carbon monoxide generator out for a spin.

 

[wasfast]

Very warm day with the Santa Ana's. Was 85F in San Diego today...........!

 

[Huxley]

Subtle 1:26 on the license plate frame. Approved. Much better than the old Yosemite Sam mud flaps.

 

[Modern Jess]

Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

For all of you who have closed windows and/or god insulation for the winter, make sure you think twice before running an engine or heater without monitoring C0 levels.

No way am I painting my shop green. But I'm following Jack's lead on this one.

 

[ATK305]

Wow! That garage is incredibly well thought out. Nice. I'm interested in that floor lift. Can you provide some info on that? I have been looking at the portable types but they pose storage issues when it won't be in use. That unit being built in to floor is great.

 

[Trey T]

I'm a Illustrator user. For light duty stuff, PDF is a universal "container" for both Illustrator editing and delivery format for print. If you can set it up for print, PDF would be a very good format.

The guy who did the block grinder ID plate artwork agreed to let me share it with people. Unfortunately for most of you, it's in Adobe Illustrator format and requires some specific typefaces to be installed in your Mac computer for it to work. Obviously, that's a problem for just about everybody. But I think I can work out a kind of form where a guy can submit a request with the information they want on it and I can email them a high-resolution file that they can then get printed out as a decal or a metal plate or whatever they can figure out.

Give me a few days, and I'll see what I have in the file in terms of logos and such and I'll try to present some choices, and then I can make up some labels for anyone who wants them.

 

[bazzateer]

I'm interested in that floor lift. Can you provide some info on that?

Not sure which page but it's all covered in this thread.

 

[Outlawmws]

Wow! That garage is incredibly well thought out. Nice. I'm interested in that floor lift. Can you provide some info on that? I have been looking at the portable types but they pose storage issues when it won't be in use. That unit being built in to floor is great.

Not sure which page but it's all covered in this thread.

Yup, get busy and read all 205 pages!

Seriously; it's worth it...

 

[Squankum]

More than you wanted to know!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning

I had read in Circle Track magazine 10+ years ago that getting CO poisoning that didn't kill you could make you a lot more susceptible to getting sick during later exposures. I didn't quite see confirmation of that in my skim of the above, but I saw enough other things to scare me.

Speaking of German vehicles generating carbon monoxide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning#Holocaust

ATK305, while I, too, recommend you read the whole 12 Gauge Garage thread -- the gateway drug to Garage Journal -- for quick answers to your questions about Jack's garage, he built a website to give a more coherent overview.

http://12gaugegarage.com/


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[Mpower5266]

I have CO detectors hard wired in the basement and house but I really should get something that will tell me the levels in the basement. Im honestly not that worried since the basement is pretty leaky and I dont run the car in there for more than a few seconds but it couldnt hurt to monitor the levels.

 

[Matt J]

I finished it! 205 pages. Dec 17th, 2014 to Feb 14th, 2015. Thanks Jack for the inspiration, ideas, and entertainment! Looking forward to more to come.

 

[Zeke]

Wow! That garage is incredibly well thought out. Nice. I'm interested in that floor lift. Can you provide some info on that? I have been looking at the portable types but they pose storage issues when it won't be in use. That unit being built in to floor is great.

The installation starts on page 35. I can't find the post where Jack explains where he found it.

 

[Makoto]

sweet grinder dude.

 

[bluebolt]

Hey Jack sorry to hear you are sick just let me know when you want to stop by.

"Edsal steel top workbench

craigslist reply b3b3

To
jjgmq-4874805041@sale

"Greetings , I would love to see it and buy it asap or within the next 48hrs.I have an appointment with my doctor later in the day and i dont know how long am staying in the hospital i would have loved to check on it today.

Email me at [email protected] and let me know your arrangement when we meeting for the deal

Jack Olsen"

 

[Modern Jess]

"Greetings , I would love to see it and buy it asap or within the next 48hrs.I have an appointment with my doctor later in the day and i dont know how long am staying in the hospital i would have loved to check on it today.

Oh great. The scammers are using Jack's name as additional bait? Sheesh.

 

[Jack Olsen]

That's enough to send me to the doctor, right there.

 

[Jack Olsen]

I have a bender and I have a press brake. But sometimes the pieces you're working on don't fit the scale of the tool, or merit taking it out and setting it up. So, there's always the poor man's alternative.

I needed a hook for my steering wheel in my 911. Simple to conform aluminum stock to scrap pipe.

And then I wanted to extend the underbelly cover on the car, for aero. The trick with an air-cooled 911 is that you can't obstruct too much of the air coming down over the cylinders and heads from the big fan -- and the effectiveness of a full upward-angled diffuser is undermined by a production car's body roll. So the center section is the only part where you can get some (theoretical? actual?) benefit without compromising cylinder head temps.

Shorter version: I had seen pieces like this on a couple of local class-winning 911 race cars.

The initial idea was to use lighter aluminum (because it's what I had sitting around) and turn the edges up for better rigidity. But I worried that I'd block more of the exiting cooling air if the edges went up -- and I also thought there might be some benefit to the downard-facing fins in terms of cleaning up airflow down there as it passes under the car.

Poor man's press brake:

 

[mdbeck1]

I have a bender and I have a press brake. But sometimes the pieces you're working on don't fit the scale of the tool, or merit taking it out and setting it up. So, there's always the poor man's alternative.

...
Poor man's press brake:

...

Did I miss something here. I think I'm seeing the FINAL version but what did you use to get that metal rolled over?

 

[Jack Olsen]

Just a dead-blow hammer and a scrap of 2x4 to distribute the load -- and some patience... and low expectations when it comes to finished quality.

 

[mdbeck1]

Just a dead-blow hammer and a scrap of 2x4 to distribute the load -- and some patience... and low expectations when it comes to finished quality.

It sure does look good for a 2x4 and a hammer. I was expecting to see a home made bender.

 

[Jack Olsen]

Thanks. I have a 30" brake, but this piece was 42" long.

Here it is with a quick hit of paint on the muffler.

And just in case anyone thinks the garage is always sparkling and clean...

 

[PAToyota]

And just in case anyone thinks the garage is always sparkling and clean...

OH MY GOD!!! THE HORROR!! THE HORROR!!

 

[Fast914]

Hi Jack, I am being lazy as I am sure you have covered this but what brand / model of tire are you using on the 911? I am finally getting to the point where I need to order tires...(been rebuilding / restoring a 74 914) I will have 16x7 and 8" wheels with a mix of street and DE events sprinkled in over the summer. I am considering the Toyo R1R's. Thanks for such a great thread....I have read over and over and am currently building some folding work tables...a la your set up.

 

[Nolift911]

Nitto NT01

 

[jbmatth]

I can't say anything that hasn't already been said, you have done lots of great additions to your garage and house. Also I haven't seen it mentioned before, or I may have missed it, but what was the movie you were making, and do you know when it'll be out in theaters? I'll be following along for the future adventures.
JB

 

[shortykorte]

I figured it out. Jack is using CGI to make the his garage look messy or he just uses the same "clean" picture to show the place cleaned up.

As always, when I look at your space, I'm re-inspired and it reminds me what can be had with some thought and elbow grease.

 

[bazzateer]

You're right, that's why he went for green! It's all CGI-Green screen stuff.

 

[Outlawmws]

Well, he IS in Hollywood, and he IS in the movie industry...

Now I'm thinking those models in the garage a year or so ago were CGI...

 

[Boosted1]

Nice job on the underbelly cover.
Looks like it should have some good effect.

 

[Fast914]

thanks Jeff....price on those tires locally is not too bad either! Grant

 

[Nolift911]

I don't want to speak for Jack but pretty sure those are the tires as I asked him before as well, and that tread pattern is pretty distinctive.

I am getting a set for my 911 as well.

 

[Jack Olsen]

Yep. I've been running NT01s for a long time, now. I like them.

And on an unrelated note, I got the first shipment of the prize stuff from the Classic Motorsports 'Show Us Your Shop' contest. Now I'm going to need to get an Argon bottle and teach myself how to TIG.

It's an AC/DC TIG, so I should be able to do aluminum with it. The downside is that it's Chinese. But there are two good upsides: It's supported by Eastwood's 3-year replacement warranty... and it was free.

 

[Craptain]

I really really want one of those. Are you sure you have room for It?
Seriously though, you above most deserve to win cool tools.

Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk

 

[Denwood]

Now TIG is a very nice addition to your shop. I have a small 110 MIG and it's been awesome to have in the shop. Been eyeing up TIG for some time now. Congrats on the "Show your Shop" win.

Do you have any data from your track/ride height sensors using the new pan? Just curious if you're seeing any correlation in lap times.