Outlawmws
Well-known member
I have not bought a vise since September 19, 2014.
That is all.
5 months, 5 days...
Over the cold sweats yet?
The VISES of Garage Journal
- Thread starter mjozefow
- Start date
5 months, 5 days...
Over the cold sweats yet?
Fretters
Well-known member
I have not bought a vise since September 19, 2014.
That is all.
I know that feeling. I'd been roughly the same up until a couple of weeks or so ago, and then I end up buying three in quite rapid succession. I'd been doing so well until that point.
rlanicek
Well-known member
I just inherited this Wilton. Now I have a new project.
It's been in my father's garage as long as I can remember (I'm 53).
What can you tell me about it?
It's been in my father's garage as long as I can remember (I'm 53).
What can you tell me about it?
drivesitfar
Well-known member
Rian: your Dad's old Wilton is one of their lower quality vises, but much better than most import vises made today. it's missing the swivel base and pipe jaws, but other than that it should bolt down to your bench with 2 bolts and last you years. you might want to at least put some new grease on the main screw and some on the top and sides of slides if you don't want to do a total restoration.
BJ: so are you giving up or spending all you money on the little woman?
BJ: so are you giving up or spending all you money on the little woman?
Outlawmws
Well-known member
I know that feeling. I'd been roughly the same up until a couple of weeks or so ago, and then I end up buying three in quite rapid succession. I'd been doing so bad until that point.
Fixed it for you...
oldldh
Well-known member
Ah....
The "Vise Vice"....
And for our members "over there"....
The "Vice Vice"...
(Somehow, that just doesn't look right...)
The "Vise Vice"....
And for our members "over there"....
The "Vice Vice"...
(Somehow, that just doesn't look right...)
Fretters
Well-known member
bl00
Well-known member
I'll send you a mail.hemifalcon
Well-known member
Can someone assist with id'ing the maker of this old wood vise? I do not readily see a makers mark on it. It's old and is of the quick release variety--hoping these weren't too widely copied..
Thanks-
John
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thanks-
John
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
CwazyWabbit
Well-known member
Unless your are into the UK Parkinsons/Samsonia ones because then you would have the "Perfect Vise Vice"
They specifically spelled it as Vise so as not to be confused with the other meaning of vice apparently
va.grouseman
Well-known member
Quote by Zkling.
Anyone have info on a Hollands 650? Swivel jaw, swivel base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A-------nd what was the link for that little 650?:
Anyone have info on a Hollands 650? Swivel jaw, swivel base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A-------nd what was the link for that little 650?:
jakemac
Well-known member
And ....... It's a swiveling bast@rd. That'll get Oldie going.
It's the 436 model. Sorry for that 3 posts, I can only post one pic per time.
oldldh
Well-known member
And ....... It's a swiveling bast@rd. That'll get Oldie going.
After the amount of food, I just ate for supper...
The only thing that will get me going...
Is some "Industrial Strength Stool Softener"...
Rockford73
Member
- Joined
- Mar 9, 2012
- Messages
- 11
Vise #2 Columbian D44 Workshop Vise
(See post #23746, Page 1188 for my previous posting)
This is the first vise I purchased with my own money and the one I’ve had the longest. After working in the machine shop for a while I went to engineering school, and lived in a series of apartments. I was frustrated by the lack of a workspace and the lack of time to pursue an already strong interest in machinery.
Immediately after graduation, I visited an industrial supplier in town (no internet, Ebay, or even organized flea markets in 1981 to consider a used vise) and picked up a brochure for Columbian vises and levels (which I still have). Columbian at the time was a division of Warren Industries, since acquired by the Wilton group, which in turn was acquired by Walter Meier group which has subsequently been merged by Tenex Capital into the JPW (Jet, Powermatic, Wilton) Group.
At the time however, the price and two-color illustration in the brochure were irresistible and I purchased the D44. This vise was at the top of the line of the non-industrial vises, with a formed, coaxial screw cover, finished anvil surface, fixed pipe jaws, and swivel base.
This vise has been the focal point of hundreds of projects, house renovations, and machine restorations and has proven to be perfectly suited for the home shop user. I feel there are two flaws in the design which I have resisted fixing for sentimental reasons:
1) I mentioned in a previous post that I was no fan of swivel bases, but as a callow youth I felt it was cool feature. The swivel clamp on this vise unfortunately is not adequately designed to hold the vise against rotation without torqueing the daylights out of the clamp. I’m not too proud to say that I’ve used a cheater on the clamp lever to the point it has bent. So, design rule #1; if you are going to provide a swivel, design an absolutely positive lock (ideally two) and a robust clamp lever that will not bend if a box-end wrench is accidently used to assist the clamp lever.
2) The jaws on this vise are replaceable, hardened and tempered nicely, but really too aggressive for a lot of work. I have contemplated grinding them down a touch, but since I have several vises with smooth jaws (including a monstrous Emmert universal vise with smooth and checkered jaws) I have refrained. Still, marred surfaces shouldn’t be the price to pay for adequate clamping. I know there are copper and plastic jaw covers, and I have several. They simply are inconvenient and never at hand.
Final comment on the anvil surface of the vise. I’ve seen comments that these “anvil” pads are useless and shouldn’t be beaten upon. All true, I’m sure, but this pad has taken many whacks. This speaks to the toughness and ductility of the vise casting. I don’t use it as an anvil anymore (plenty of bench blocks and sacrificial plates, but this feature was useful to me for many years. I’ve used it recently as a test surface to refine my scraping skills.
(See post #23746, Page 1188 for my previous posting)
This is the first vise I purchased with my own money and the one I’ve had the longest. After working in the machine shop for a while I went to engineering school, and lived in a series of apartments. I was frustrated by the lack of a workspace and the lack of time to pursue an already strong interest in machinery.
Immediately after graduation, I visited an industrial supplier in town (no internet, Ebay, or even organized flea markets in 1981 to consider a used vise) and picked up a brochure for Columbian vises and levels (which I still have). Columbian at the time was a division of Warren Industries, since acquired by the Wilton group, which in turn was acquired by Walter Meier group which has subsequently been merged by Tenex Capital into the JPW (Jet, Powermatic, Wilton) Group.
At the time however, the price and two-color illustration in the brochure were irresistible and I purchased the D44. This vise was at the top of the line of the non-industrial vises, with a formed, coaxial screw cover, finished anvil surface, fixed pipe jaws, and swivel base.
This vise has been the focal point of hundreds of projects, house renovations, and machine restorations and has proven to be perfectly suited for the home shop user. I feel there are two flaws in the design which I have resisted fixing for sentimental reasons:
1) I mentioned in a previous post that I was no fan of swivel bases, but as a callow youth I felt it was cool feature. The swivel clamp on this vise unfortunately is not adequately designed to hold the vise against rotation without torqueing the daylights out of the clamp. I’m not too proud to say that I’ve used a cheater on the clamp lever to the point it has bent. So, design rule #1; if you are going to provide a swivel, design an absolutely positive lock (ideally two) and a robust clamp lever that will not bend if a box-end wrench is accidently used to assist the clamp lever.
2) The jaws on this vise are replaceable, hardened and tempered nicely, but really too aggressive for a lot of work. I have contemplated grinding them down a touch, but since I have several vises with smooth jaws (including a monstrous Emmert universal vise with smooth and checkered jaws) I have refrained. Still, marred surfaces shouldn’t be the price to pay for adequate clamping. I know there are copper and plastic jaw covers, and I have several. They simply are inconvenient and never at hand.
Final comment on the anvil surface of the vise. I’ve seen comments that these “anvil” pads are useless and shouldn’t be beaten upon. All true, I’m sure, but this pad has taken many whacks. This speaks to the toughness and ductility of the vise casting. I don’t use it as an anvil anymore (plenty of bench blocks and sacrificial plates, but this feature was useful to me for many years. I’ve used it recently as a test surface to refine my scraping skills.
Attachments
topop101
Well-known member
Thanks for the info. I'd like to get a deal on that Parker, but the crazy lady who has it wanted $100 without even knowing what it was.
No one likes my new to me Shop King?
I like the shop king. Especially with the pipe jaws still on it. Those are often discarded over the years. Shop king and Torco's were the first non bullet style Wilton made after the war directed to the home shop . They were looking for a new market after the war. The government quit buying and the fight was on among manufactures to fill the shops of returning vets. The shop king was a big seller in that market. What did you pay for it?
topop101
Well-known member
Any one have info on the difference in age between a Reed 105 with a 3 bolt down pattern , a Reed 105 with the 4 bolt down pattern and a Reed 105R with a 4 bolt down pattern?
drivesitfar
Well-known member
TopPop: I'm going to take a guess until the guys that have the catalog pages to show us more exactly or differently if i'm wrong. the Reed 105 with the 3 bolt pattern is more than likely in the late 20's early 30's. the Reed 105 with the 4 bolt is probably late 30's early 40's and the 105 R is probably late 40's and 50's. if you do own all of those how about posting some pictures of that and all your Reed vises?
Rocket: if that swivel jaw Parker for $100 doesn't have any welds or cracks or missing parts $100 is a decent deal. behind the static or swivel jaw looks like it could be bondo or a weld or just a bad picture and on the back of the top of the slide looks a bit like a weld so check it out.
ALL: i'm not sure how many of you buy a vise without taking out the dynamic jaw all the way and inspecting the screw from below and also the vise nut and inside of the static jaw. anybody else besides me not inspect all of them like that. i do especially if not a huge vise and it's not pouring rain, but I've had a few issues that are not cheap to fix by not doing so. it only takes a few minutes to check so make a habit to especially if the vise isn't working correctly with a few turns.
Rocket: if that swivel jaw Parker for $100 doesn't have any welds or cracks or missing parts $100 is a decent deal. behind the static or swivel jaw looks like it could be bondo or a weld or just a bad picture and on the back of the top of the slide looks a bit like a weld so check it out.
ALL: i'm not sure how many of you buy a vise without taking out the dynamic jaw all the way and inspecting the screw from below and also the vise nut and inside of the static jaw. anybody else besides me not inspect all of them like that. i do especially if not a huge vise and it's not pouring rain, but I've had a few issues that are not cheap to fix by not doing so. it only takes a few minutes to check so make a habit to especially if the vise isn't working correctly with a few turns.
bl00
Well-known member
Sheldon made a quick release like that, but I don't know them well enough to say if that's what it is.
topop101
Well-known member
TopPop: I'm going to take a guess until the guys that have the catalog pages to show us more exactly or differently if i'm wrong. the Reed 105 with the 3 bolt pattern is more than likely in the late 20's early 30's. the Reed 105 with the 4 bolt is probably late 30's early 40's and the 105 R is probably late 40's and 50's. if you do own all of those how about posting some pictures of that and all your Reed vises
I don't have all of those Reeds. Just picked up a 105 reed , 3 bolt pattern today from face book.... for free.
Attachments
drivesitfar
Well-known member
Rocket: sorry i tried to download one of those cool programs for arrows and circles, but it had a virus in it and wiped out my Outlook. i hear i can also do it in MS Paint program and will check on that in the future. for now i'll just say from the back of the static jaw down to the pin looks different and might just be the light. on the back of the slide on top might be paint or weld or just dirt. also on the ball that the handle goes through is some paint or extra weld or ?
it does have possibilities for $100 and if you are not able to buy it maybe give another local GJ member the contact information so crazy(realistic) owner doesn't sell to somebody else.
maybe somebody else with that program can circle or arrow the places i'm talking about?
ToPop: you have the older Reed and my Reed 104 that is similar in style has sort of a brownish shine to it like Japanning if you want to spiff your free vise up a bit. nice find.
it does have possibilities for $100 and if you are not able to buy it maybe give another local GJ member the contact information so crazy(realistic) owner doesn't sell to somebody else.
maybe somebody else with that program can circle or arrow the places i'm talking about?
ToPop: you have the older Reed and my Reed 104 that is similar in style has sort of a brownish shine to it like Japanning if you want to spiff your free vise up a bit. nice find.
cretedog
ALLIANCE MEMBER
CwazyWabbit
Well-known member
Fretters: Dutch: Any ideas on this one? No identifying marks other than a stamped in 5 on the slide and the base which I'd imagine is because they were hand matched parts?
It's been in the e-tank and now I'm in two minds whether to paint a deep red or to BLO it, the flash on the camera makes it look rusty still but it's just a little flash rust (apart from the first two photos which are before cleaning obviously).
This is the only mark I can find
Small chuk missing under the jaw 
EDIT: Jaw width is 3" and max opening 3 5/8"
It's been in the e-tank and now I'm in two minds whether to paint a deep red or to BLO it, the flash on the camera makes it look rusty still but it's just a little flash rust (apart from the first two photos which are before cleaning obviously).
This is the only mark I can find
Small chuk missing under the jaw
EDIT: Jaw width is 3" and max opening 3 5/8"
Last edited:
Outlawmws
Well-known member
Cwazy; I'd bet there is a "5" on the slide cap as well; in fact that would be even more important to match-up...
Drives, if you want a relatively inexpensive tool that does screen capture as well as markup and some editing capability, try SnagIt.
Drives, if you want a relatively inexpensive tool that does screen capture as well as markup and some editing capability, try SnagIt.
Outlawmws
Well-known member
Cretedog, Nice restore, and rare to find any vise with factory brass jaw inserts!
CwazyWabbit
Well-known member
That would make sense but unless it's behind the jaw face I can't find it ....
Craptain
Well-known member
Nice little dp vise for $20. Also perhaps better than the vise is the new contact and possibly new gj member.
Maybe someone can identify it for me.
Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk
Maybe someone can identify it for me.
Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk
Zebedeewesty
Well-known member
Boring wet afternoon so did a little pinstriping.
Kevin54
MEMBER EMERITUS
Anyone know what brand of vise this is http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/4887126927.html There is no info on it anywhere according to the owner.
xxaler
Well-known member
Looks almost home made, it's definitely not cast.
drivesitfar
Well-known member
Craptain: i agree with the champion label on your little DP vise. i'd like to own that one with the interesting jaws and handle.
CW: you have a good eye for unique vises (vices). i like the design and other than the small piece missing under one of the jaws it looks like it's in great shape. yes i agree with Outlaw that the 5 probably is a part # and maybe the other #5 was put on a part that has worn off after 70 years. any idea of the make of your vice?
Outlaw: i'll check out the program for arrows and circles because it would make my explanations much easier when asking or helping.
CW: you have a good eye for unique vises (vices). i like the design and other than the small piece missing under one of the jaws it looks like it's in great shape. yes i agree with Outlaw that the 5 probably is a part # and maybe the other #5 was put on a part that has worn off after 70 years. any idea of the make of your vice?
Outlaw: i'll check out the program for arrows and circles because it would make my explanations much easier when asking or helping.
CwazyWabbit
Well-known member
Drives: I had thought it was an early Parkinsons vice that predated the "Perfect Vise" models, however I have my doubts. I've only seen them in drawn adverts with very little detail, but you can make out the rear jaw being bolted down with 4 bolts. These were copied which led to the move to the "Perfect Vise", so it could possibly be one of the copies. Fretters suggested it may be a Marples vice, although Marples mark most of the things they produced.
I'm currently leaning towards it being a copy of an early handy vice..... It has the feel of a copy if you know what I mean.
PS There should be some more interesting vices soon including the Record 48
EDIT: Definitely not a Parkinsons Handy Vise as I've found a picture of one and looks like they had markings cast in.
I'm currently leaning towards it being a copy of an early handy vice..... It has the feel of a copy if you know what I mean.
PS There should be some more interesting vices soon including the Record 48
EDIT: Definitely not a Parkinsons Handy Vise as I've found a picture of one and looks like they had markings cast in.
Last edited:
jakemac
Well-known member
Craptain - I agree with the logo being Companion.
Companion was Sear's value brand before WWII and was replaced by Dunlap around 1940/41 with some overlap. The Companion brand has popped up briefly here and there since, but I believe it used a different logo. That DP vise has to be pre-war, probably late 1930's.
Here's the logo from OWWM.
Attachments
Last edited:
Blue Frog
Well-known member
Anyone know what brand of vise this is http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/4887126927.html There is no info on it anywhere according to the owner.
Kevin,
GJ member Mike_Paxton posted about one of these style vises a few months ago. IIRC, Mike didn't know who made his vise. Additionally, Mike lives in central Ohio, not far from where this vise that you posted about is located, and from where he found his. Perhaps Mike will chime in soon and provide more info.
Blue
Craptain
Well-known member
Thank You gentlemen. After seeing the logo, I agree with companion. I am very happy with the quality, even though it's second tier so to speak.
And with the excellent graphic from Jake I see a new decal sometime in the future.
Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk
And with the excellent graphic from Jake I see a new decal sometime in the future.
Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk
Last edited: