CwazyWabbit
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Nice, which Samsonia model did you get? 20 quid is a steal for any model of Samsonia
I sorted the countersink out a little earlier as well so bracket is ready to go back to you.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Nice, which Samsonia model did you get? 20 quid is a steal for any model of Samsonia
I sorted the countersink out a little earlier as well so bracket is ready to go back to you.
Here's a little guy!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Antiqu...062?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf476ebbe
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Antiqu...062?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf476ebbe
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FMC1959
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There's a couple of you on the other side of the pond that have been on a real vise (vice) buying terror for 2015. I haven't kept score but I am thinking the 2 of you may have out purchased all of us on this side for the past 2-3 months.
Keep up the good work
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by FMC1959.
VA, did you see who the seller is on this?
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Yea, I recognized the vise when I saw it.---EOC posted it back on page 440.---I have a #608 Columbian that is almost identical to it, and it's possible that Columbian made those Ridgids.---It has all the same statistics as the Columbian, but you slap that Ridgid name on it and the price goes up 8 or 9 hundred dollars.
Man I hate to see anybody unload a prize that's dear to the heart for any reason.---Hate to see you let it go EOC.
VA, did you see who the seller is on this?
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Yea, I recognized the vise when I saw it.---EOC posted it back on page 440.---I have a #608 Columbian that is almost identical to it, and it's possible that Columbian made those Ridgids.---It has all the same statistics as the Columbian, but you slap that Ridgid name on it and the price goes up 8 or 9 hundred dollars.
Man I hate to see anybody unload a prize that's dear to the heart for any reason.---Hate to see you let it go EOC.
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trijeff
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Thanks, Drives, for the heads up on the emoticons, definitely feel like a
over here - DOH!Re: the Reed 104.5 restoration - can't say it is the weather that is holding me back, I am in sunny (and drought-stricken) California ... it was high 60s and sunny today. No, like others have eluded to here, I have been on a little bit of a buying spree - not so much vises, per se, but rather vise accessories. Here is the latest, this is a SERVCO adjustable rolling instrument stand ... it came from an Air Force base that shut down near here a few years ago. The wheel with the suicide handle in the back is to raise/lower the instrument holder which, in this case, I am thinking about welding or otherwise affixing the pictured angle and making into a three vise stand. It's made primarily from 1/4" steel and I had to summon my inner
in order to lift it ... gotta be at least 200 lbs.This is just how I got it - seems to be a surveying setup on top.
This is after removing a few fasteners and dry fitting the angle, PLUS you get a little preview of the Reed. I think this one will actually go sans paint in lieu of the BLO finish.
macgee
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Hi All,
Haven't been in the vise thread in awhile. Hope everyone is doing well.
I've been busy with other projects,work and the fact its just too darn cold to do anything in the shop.
Was alerted to a CL ad by a fellow GJ'er >>Thanks Jerry<< local mechanic was retiring and selling some stuff so me and a buddy get set up with an appointment to scrounge and pick. Within a minute of walking in we both spied a Wilton bullet and asked "how much?' reply was $20!! couldn't say sold fast enough. While I was looking it over Adam found a smaller Wilton bullet ,4" vise and we nabbed that as well for a whopping $10!
I'd say it was a good pick this evening.
Nice find, you ****.
I bet there were some good tools as well.
Fretters
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There's a couple of you on the other side of the pond that have been on a real vise (vice) buying terror for 2015. I haven't kept score but I am thinking the 2 of you may have out purchased all of us on this side for the past 2-3 months.
Keep up the good work
I think CW and Dutch are outdoing everyone else this side of the pond too.
I've bought a paltry amount in comparison within the last month. The latest ones are a Record 23, (minus jaw inserts and with a slightly bent handle, but otherwise in good, used condition). That won't be stopping here for long though. Someone I know wants a vice, and that just happens to fit the bill, so that's going on. A Fortis 10 Steel and a Parkinson 8A round the list off. None of them are actually here yet, though I should have them here within a month or so.
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Fretters
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Cheers.
I'm intrigued to know where and how they differ. Been wondering about the Parkinson/Samsonia differences for a good while now.Fretters
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If you're planning on selling it, I truly would recommend not touching it further than a quick wipe down to remove muck/grease. Anything more than that will limit your potential buyers.
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Fretters
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Welcome to the crazy house.
This place, especially this thread, does things to those who were, before, a sane, rational, one or two vices are plenty type person. dutchgray
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Nice, which Samsonia model did you get? 20 quid is a steal for any model of Samsonia
I sorted the countersink out a little earlier as well so bracket is ready to go back to you.
The add didn't state the model of the Samsonia, only that its got 5" jaws.
oldldh
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Welcome to the crazy house.
TWO!!!...GASP!!!
ARE YOU DAFT???
william.m.hamilton2
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Need some help in choosing/locating a vise. A teacher who has spent a ton of personnal and after hours time assisting my middle son with his learning disabilities is a gun smith by hobby. Almost all black powder. Being a teacher, he doesn't have bunches of money laying about. He uses and replaces about once a year a modern crappy chineese craftsman POS. I want to get and resore a classic item for him. Here is what I know he needs- 3-4 inch jaws at the most. Itmust be a swivel base. Pipe jaws for barels would not be horrible . A small striking area (anvil) would be a bonus.
He dreams of a wilton bullet- but thats outside my budget as a gift. I have been hunting a parker- but those seem high as well. I check CL twice a day for my area- but Lafayette seems to be electronically challenged.
Please PM me with ideas if any of you guys can come up with ideas or solutions.
-Will
He dreams of a wilton bullet- but thats outside my budget as a gift. I have been hunting a parker- but those seem high as well. I check CL twice a day for my area- but Lafayette seems to be electronically challenged.
Please PM me with ideas if any of you guys can come up with ideas or solutions.
-Will
va.grouseman
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Think I'm going to jump on and ride the big Prentiss up to about a grand and then hop off before it gets to dicey.---Jump off at a grand and watch the rest of the show from there.
Youngguns
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I don't think I could lift that to the top shelf..
Mark in Indiana
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jwp: Ive bought, collected & sold dozens of vises over the past 6 years. I can give you advise based on my experience and what the vise market is in my area. There are 4 choices to go with your vise:
1. Keep, use and enjoy the vise. For most guys, a 3" - 5" vise will do everything for the average home shop. It's handy to have more than one vise in the shop. There are not very many old vises around and they are a pleasure to use.
2. Sell the vise "as is". If you got it cheap enough, just clean, lubricate, and flip it. I do that to the Asian and small homeowner's type vises because I would lose too much in time & materials. IMO; with your vise, you would do better with a restoration.
3. Clean it down to bare metal and oil it. There are some vises that are beautiful when bare. However (all respects to those who don't like repainting), that can be impractical because of maintenance. Every time it gets used, it will need to be cleaned and oiled after holding a work piece for cutting and grinding. Because of that, most vises wouldn't sell well in my area.
4. Do a good job of cleaning and repainting. Take a lot of before & after pictures. Assuming that your vise has no cracks, breaks or welds, you can guarantee that the vise is good at time of sale. In my area, they sell very well that way.
Unfortunately, vintage vises are undervalued. As far as prices go in my part of the country, if you want to move your vise in a reasonable amount of time:
Unfinished, wiped down & lubed; retail can be as high as 60$.
Finished, cleaned, painted & polished; retail can be as high as 150$.
The plus about your vise is that it's made in USA and it has a swivel base.
The minus about your vise is that it's missing the pipe jaws. Unless you had access to a milling machine, it would be prohibitive to make a set. Also, I'm assuming that the jaw face serrations are worn down (not a deal breaker, but a concern).
The challenge is to educate your customer that the big box store vise is low quality and if he wanted a new vise made in USA, he would have to give >500$.
I hope this helps.
Ps: Tell us about the red vise in the picture.
drivesitfar
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Mark: nice post. your numbers would be a bit higher in my area, but not a lot because Athol isn't a well know vise name like Wilton which seems to always get more money.
Jwp: i'm not sure which vise you have on your bench or use, but Athol is one of the nicest working vises that were made and then they became Starrett which didn't make low quality tools. one thing i want to mention is if you take your vise apart you'll need to push the spring and remove the cotter pin which is a PIA unless you make a piece of pipe with a notch cut out of it to push the spring back while removing the pin. there are a few examples on the vise repair 101 thread and if you can't find them just ask over on that thread and i or somebody should be able to help you find it.
VA: stirring the pot??
Oldie: don't you only have 2 vises? i know you are saving up for the local 5198 or 300 pound Craftsmans, but for as often as you look at these old cool vises how do you not buy others and either flip them or swap out a few on your bench? it's pretty hard to find a better homeowner vise than your Starrett 925 i think you own so maybe the 5198 is the only one to replace it.
some of us could use some vise therapy help because i could have $105 dollars in my wallet and if a nice $100 vise showed up i'd buy it and skip dinner.
BTW how's the ticker these days??
JasonEOC: best of luck finding a new home for that monster and you might also post a picture of it that you've posted or emailed me where it barely fits on the forks of your fork lift because it's so big.
Jwp: i'm not sure which vise you have on your bench or use, but Athol is one of the nicest working vises that were made and then they became Starrett which didn't make low quality tools. one thing i want to mention is if you take your vise apart you'll need to push the spring and remove the cotter pin which is a PIA unless you make a piece of pipe with a notch cut out of it to push the spring back while removing the pin. there are a few examples on the vise repair 101 thread and if you can't find them just ask over on that thread and i or somebody should be able to help you find it.
VA: stirring the pot??
Oldie: don't you only have 2 vises? i know you are saving up for the local 5198 or 300 pound Craftsmans, but for as often as you look at these old cool vises how do you not buy others and either flip them or swap out a few on your bench? it's pretty hard to find a better homeowner vise than your Starrett 925 i think you own so maybe the 5198 is the only one to replace it.
some of us could use some vise therapy help because i could have $105 dollars in my wallet and if a nice $100 vise showed up i'd buy it and skip dinner.
BTW how's the ticker these days??
JasonEOC: best of luck finding a new home for that monster and you might also post a picture of it that you've posted or emailed me where it barely fits on the forks of your fork lift because it's so big.
Mark in Indiana
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Drives: This is a "WOW" moment after reading the advise that you gave jwp. I got good compressing the spring on the lead screw with a screwdriver. However, a notched pipe would make removing and compressing the lead screw spring so much easier. -Thanks
drivesitfar
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Mark: i'd like to say i invented that method, but i'm only the messenger. i think EX(maxima) was the first one to post it on the Vise Repair 101 thread and maybe here too. if it was somebody else i apologize because some days at my age it's getting hard to remember my kid's names much less the thousands of members of GJ.
glad you liked it so you don't have to kuss at the next Athol you restore.
ALL: if you have an tips like that about restoring or repairing a vise please put in the vise repair 101 thread even if it's just one post. I tried to look up which members put thrust bearings behind the broken nut on Reed vises and couldn't find restoration threads on vises i know i read and participated on much less new ones. sadly i can't quit buying vises and lately selling a few to have more tips of my own, but soon i will try to help others as a lot of you have helped me and the members. AE just restored a Snap On Wilton tradesman i sold him and now has pins in the vise nut that he can screw in and out. take a look over in the vintage tool section or click on the link in my signature.
glad you liked it so you don't have to kuss at the next Athol you restore.
ALL: if you have an tips like that about restoring or repairing a vise please put in the vise repair 101 thread even if it's just one post. I tried to look up which members put thrust bearings behind the broken nut on Reed vises and couldn't find restoration threads on vises i know i read and participated on much less new ones. sadly i can't quit buying vises and lately selling a few to have more tips of my own, but soon i will try to help others as a lot of you have helped me and the members. AE just restored a Snap On Wilton tradesman i sold him and now has pins in the vise nut that he can screw in and out. take a look over in the vintage tool section or click on the link in my signature.
ok...so what do I do? restore it as much as possible? OR.. get rid of it!
it has issues- welded on jaws, nut slop (probably fixable), not the proper handle.. I bought it for too much but i was excited to find a big one at the time. I'm a bit smarter now, thanks to everyone here! Suggestions?
it has issues- welded on jaws, nut slop (probably fixable), not the proper handle.. I bought it for too much but i was excited to find a big one at the time. I'm a bit smarter now, thanks to everyone here! Suggestions?
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straightcut
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I have a similar vise. Mine is missing the pipe jaws - looks like yours is also. Maybe we can talk Kevin into making up a few sets!
zoomieport
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IMPORTANT ANOUNCEMENT (To some anyway...)
I sent Dayid a note the other day and got this in response:
"Mike,
I'm still around - just with kids and work not much time to hang out on here and do research, etc. My old job I had a lot of downtime where I'd work on things like this from there.
I've still been adding updates when I get new information. Most of the messages I receive are people saying, "I see you don't have any information on X on your site.... do you know anything about X?" and I have to sadly tell them that almost everything I know is already there.
I'm still more than happy to take new information (particularly preferably by e-mail) - everytime I open up the wiki to be modified by others I spend more time getting rid of spam and mis-formatting than it would've taken me to just add the information myself the first time.
-Dayid"
If you guys would like to email me hi-res pictures and all other pertinent information, measurments, weight, widths, features, etc... I would be happy to act as a conduit to Dayid, to help the Vise Wiki Database grow.
Let me know what you guys think, thank you!
Take care!
ZOOM
(Mike)
I sent Dayid a note the other day and got this in response:
"Mike,
I'm still around - just with kids and work not much time to hang out on here and do research, etc. My old job I had a lot of downtime where I'd work on things like this from there.
I've still been adding updates when I get new information. Most of the messages I receive are people saying, "I see you don't have any information on X on your site.... do you know anything about X?" and I have to sadly tell them that almost everything I know is already there.
I'm still more than happy to take new information (particularly preferably by e-mail) - everytime I open up the wiki to be modified by others I spend more time getting rid of spam and mis-formatting than it would've taken me to just add the information myself the first time.
-Dayid"
If you guys would like to email me hi-res pictures and all other pertinent information, measurments, weight, widths, features, etc... I would be happy to act as a conduit to Dayid, to help the Vise Wiki Database grow.
Let me know what you guys think, thank you!
Take care!
ZOOM
(Mike)
balane
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Zoomie, I have lots and lots of photos of all the vises I've refinished over the years. Is the only way to know what's needed is to go through his site and see if the ones I have are listed there? If so, I'm not sure when I'll get time to do that so I'm praying there might be a list of needed vises.
zoomieport
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Do you have a list of yours? I could do a cross reference for you.
balane
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No text list, just hundreds and hundreds of photos. Would you want a zip file of them? I can separate these by manufacturer.
zoomieport
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I'm not sure I have quite that much time either...
balane
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Totally understand. Thanks for getting in touch with him at any rate.
dgmpam
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I just obtained a Wilton bullet vise today, it was given to me for free. It has 3-1/2" jaws. The static jaw has 101160 on it and the dynamic jaw has 101161 on it. On the opposite side of the dynamic jaw appears to have 1W stamped in it. It has a date on the slide of 8-77. The outer ring is broken, the handle is missing, and the lock down handles are bent. The outer ring is part #1011990 and seems to be available still. The jaws are aluminum and need to be replaced. Does anyone know exactly what model this vise is? Thanks.
Dave Marshall
Dave Marshall
That's great news Mike, I'm sure many of us could fill in some blanks
McBrownie
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Sounds like a task that needs a "divide and conquer" approach. I am more than willing to help. Balane has data. Who knows the format that Dayid needs?
va.grouseman
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I've got several pics and stats I'd like to get logged in to Zoom.---You'll just have to pace yourself, slow and easy, soz you don't get overwhelmed.---We've got all the time in the world.
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tool_scrounge
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Lump
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Hi guys. Sorry I've been away for a while.
Anyway, I just put two of my better bench vises in classifieds. Some of you had asked to be notified if I ever decided to sell them, but I cannot remember who asked me. So, here is your official notice! LOL.
Stay warm!
Anyway, I just put two of my better bench vises in classifieds. Some of you had asked to be notified if I ever decided to sell them, but I cannot remember who asked me. So, here is your official notice! LOL.
Stay warm!
bigcaddy
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will,
If you are willing to make a drive, I found a really nice Desmond simplex combo vise in Indinapolis for 85.00. If that was near me, I would buy it in a heartbeat but that's just me.
It was on Craigslist as of this evening and looked to be about an hour drive from your town.
I'm sure some other members in here will be happy to help you in your search
Gardner K
If you are willing to make a drive, I found a really nice Desmond simplex combo vise in Indinapolis for 85.00. If that was near me, I would buy it in a heartbeat but that's just me.
It was on Craigslist as of this evening and looked to be about an hour drive from your town.
I'm sure some other members in here will be happy to help you in your search
Gardner K
oldldh
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Let's talk about vise scarcity for a bit...
My "Wanted Craftsman 5197/5198" advertisement has gotten over 8,000 hits!!!
Holy Sheep Dip!!!
And turned up ONE 5198 with a hole in the anvil, that is now sitting in BigCaddy's Gigantic Craftsman Vise Collection...
I'm really beginning to wonder how many 5198's are around???
Oh well, the quest continues...
All you folks up north---Stay Warm!!!
78 degrees here today!!!
Photos---Before---After---The Collection
My "Wanted Craftsman 5197/5198" advertisement has gotten over 8,000 hits!!!
Holy Sheep Dip!!!
And turned up ONE 5198 with a hole in the anvil, that is now sitting in BigCaddy's Gigantic Craftsman Vise Collection...
I'm really beginning to wonder how many 5198's are around???
Oh well, the quest continues...
All you folks up north---Stay Warm!!!
78 degrees here today!!!
Photos---Before---After---The Collection
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Mohawk Dave
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Zoomie,
I did not read back to see what all this is about, but if you guys are doing a data base of vises, I went through a chunk of this thread, plus other threads and saved photos, weight, size, etc. All in a folder on my computer. I'd say there's several hundred maybe? I focused on more obscure than run of the mill Columbians etc. All yours if you want. It's not perfect of course. Google drive maybe..or I can snail mail a flash drive???
Let me know. Thanks.
Re: Wilton Shop King
Seller claims "Flawless condition", and then notes that it's missing some parts. Not sure what it's really worth. Anyone???
http://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/4890312488.html
Seller claims "Flawless condition", and then notes that it's missing some parts. Not sure what it's really worth. Anyone???
http://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/4890312488.html