Fretters
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Cheers for scanning and posting those CW. 
The VISES of Garage Journal
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CwazyWabbit
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No probs Fretters btw have a look at the price of an Abwood universal milling vice, it's over 4 times the cost of a Record 112!
Also this page from that 1953 catalogue is an interesting reminder of the times considering it is 8 years after the war ended.
I may be getting hold of the 1930 version of the catalogue so it will be interesting to see if there are many differences in the vices available pre-war.
Also this page from that 1953 catalogue is an interesting reminder of the times considering it is 8 years after the war ended.
I may be getting hold of the 1930 version of the catalogue so it will be interesting to see if there are many differences in the vices available pre-war.
Fretters
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Does seem weird seeing something like that. Goes to show that the knock-on effect from the war was there for a good few years afterwards.
There's a Marples on Ebay at the moment, btw, which is close to that one you got the other week. I've attached the image from the listing so that you can compare against yours.
There's a Marples on Ebay at the moment, btw, which is close to that one you got the other week. I've attached the image from the listing so that you can compare against yours.
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drivesitfar
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CW: Catalog pages are awesome. can you post those and any more you have with a little more information if you know any in the new Vise Directory I started in the vintage section? also if you want to post any of your amazing vises please do with all the specs you can think to add about each vise.
All: i'll be editing the vise directory for all vises made prior to 1970 so please add your vises with specs of each vise in individual posts. then i'll put the post # alongside the vise company in post #2 or if there is a post with just that companie's vises. also those of you that have those vise catalog pages scanned please post those too on the new directory thread in the vintage tool section.
Dayid: feel free to take any pictures of vises or information and add them to your amazing Vise Wiki because you have a great format set up that a lot of us have had the pleasure of using over the years. thanks again for all your effort and for providing us with a great research site for our old vises.
All: i'll be editing the vise directory for all vises made prior to 1970 so please add your vises with specs of each vise in individual posts. then i'll put the post # alongside the vise company in post #2 or if there is a post with just that companie's vises. also those of you that have those vise catalog pages scanned please post those too on the new directory thread in the vintage tool section.
Dayid: feel free to take any pictures of vises or information and add them to your amazing Vise Wiki because you have a great format set up that a lot of us have had the pleasure of using over the years. thanks again for all your effort and for providing us with a great research site for our old vises.
Hello
Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of my Record No.80 "Imp" which arrived yesterday!
Here is a catalogue description from 1959:
"The #80 "Imp" Vice is really a minature #74 vice, having 2 1/4" jaws and opening 2 1/2", and in no way must it be confused with either toys or cheap and unsatisfactory vices. It is sturdily and compactly made; the screw is accurately made with machine cut square thread, and there is a parallel grip which is free from any suggestion of looseness. The steel jaws are hardened and of high quality; there is a hardened anvil as in the #74 vice, but of smaller dimensions of course. The slide is of steel. Small tubes and rods can be gripped in the specially designed jaws, and can be bent in the tube bender. It is fastened to the bench with an exceptionally well designed and well-made clamp which is incorporated, which has a grip that is almost unbelievable until it is experienced. The vice weighs 4 1/4 lbs."
The vice was made from 1933-1982, which is pretty impressive in itself. Mine is an earlier model, denoted by paler red paint (the all-steel records were red rather than the traditional blue of their iron vices), a squared screw end and tommy-bar ends (later ones were rounder), and finer threads on the screw.
Anyway, the vice was in great shape - especially considering that it is probably pre-war!!!. Initially I was going to do a fully restoration, but I was so pleased with the condition that I opted instead for a strip, clean, lube and rebuild to keep the lovely patina.
Not too many parts in total; and entirely stripped with just a screwdriver (to remove the jaws) and a drift (to release the spring-retaining pin through the screw):
Here are a couple more pics dismantled:
And some before / after pics. It's a testament to the condition of this vice that there isn't too must difference, other than removal of the surface rust on the exposed steel. Everything worked well, and to be honest the vice could've been put to use as was. But it's fun cleaning stuff up
Before:
After:
Before:
After:
And a couple of final pics of the vice. Let me know what you think!
Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of my Record No.80 "Imp" which arrived yesterday!
Here is a catalogue description from 1959:
"The #80 "Imp" Vice is really a minature #74 vice, having 2 1/4" jaws and opening 2 1/2", and in no way must it be confused with either toys or cheap and unsatisfactory vices. It is sturdily and compactly made; the screw is accurately made with machine cut square thread, and there is a parallel grip which is free from any suggestion of looseness. The steel jaws are hardened and of high quality; there is a hardened anvil as in the #74 vice, but of smaller dimensions of course. The slide is of steel. Small tubes and rods can be gripped in the specially designed jaws, and can be bent in the tube bender. It is fastened to the bench with an exceptionally well designed and well-made clamp which is incorporated, which has a grip that is almost unbelievable until it is experienced. The vice weighs 4 1/4 lbs."
The vice was made from 1933-1982, which is pretty impressive in itself. Mine is an earlier model, denoted by paler red paint (the all-steel records were red rather than the traditional blue of their iron vices), a squared screw end and tommy-bar ends (later ones were rounder), and finer threads on the screw.
Anyway, the vice was in great shape - especially considering that it is probably pre-war!!!. Initially I was going to do a fully restoration, but I was so pleased with the condition that I opted instead for a strip, clean, lube and rebuild to keep the lovely patina.
Not too many parts in total; and entirely stripped with just a screwdriver (to remove the jaws) and a drift (to release the spring-retaining pin through the screw):
Here are a couple more pics dismantled:
And some before / after pics. It's a testament to the condition of this vice that there isn't too must difference, other than removal of the surface rust on the exposed steel. Everything worked well, and to be honest the vice could've been put to use as was. But it's fun cleaning stuff up
Before:
After:
Before:
After:
And a couple of final pics of the vice. Let me know what you think!
CwazyWabbit
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DIF: I'll wait till my 1930's catalogue turns up so I can see which vices are in that catalogue as well then I'll post the catalogues to your new thread. I'll start taking some better quality pictures of my vices and pop those on your thread as well.
dutchgray
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jipps
That is a very nice example of that little clamp on.
That is a very nice example of that little clamp on.
oldldh
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K Powers---That's a nice clamper, you've got there...
Gasp!!!
What's that stuff all over the ground???
Could that be frozen water???
Gasp!!!
What's that stuff all over the ground???
Could that be frozen water???
FMC1959
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jipps, that's a nice looking vise, condition looks pretty good also. Not sure if you are planning to paint it, personally find it looks great as is.
drivesitfar
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KP: any chance you can re align your pictures? also i like that you used the weed burner to free up your big wilton. any chance you want to explain your method over in the vise repair 101 thread? nice stand and nice big Wilton. congrats.
CW: if you have some pictures of your vises that are not quite up to Balane's or your high standards you are still welcome to post them in the new Vise companies thread i started. then if you do get a new camera and can take better pictures just go in and edit the old ones if another member hasn't posted a pristine vise of the same model already.
ALL: anybody that has catalog or vise company history you can either post it on the vise companies thread or PM me with it and i'll post it. i have about 45 posts still open for individual companies so i'll move it to there and if we need more than 50 vise company history posts we'll have the MODS add a few extra posts before the vises are posted. Bluebolt already PM'd me with the Fulton company information he had researched. it might take me a little time to get things moved if get busier in my day job, but i don't sleep much these days so i have time to help make our list one of the best on the internet with all your help.
CW: if you have some pictures of your vises that are not quite up to Balane's or your high standards you are still welcome to post them in the new Vise companies thread i started. then if you do get a new camera and can take better pictures just go in and edit the old ones if another member hasn't posted a pristine vise of the same model already.
ALL: anybody that has catalog or vise company history you can either post it on the vise companies thread or PM me with it and i'll post it. i have about 45 posts still open for individual companies so i'll move it to there and if we need more than 50 vise company history posts we'll have the MODS add a few extra posts before the vises are posted. Bluebolt already PM'd me with the Fulton company information he had researched. it might take me a little time to get things moved if get busier in my day job, but i don't sleep much these days so i have time to help make our list one of the best on the internet with all your help.
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Many thanks
I was all ready to paint it, based on the pics I'd seen before purchase. There was a lot of what looked like pitting and bare metal but that turned out to be old swarf that came off with a lot of nail-scratching. So a good clean and pasted absolutely everything up with comma gp grease... It's working sweet and I get to keep that lovely patina to remind me that this vice could be anywhere up to 82 years old
Trey T
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K Power: awesome vise. What year is it, circa 2000? You plan to keep it on the stand like that? The vise looks like it will take up a lot of space.
Craptain
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More details when I get it home.
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More details when I get it home.
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McBrownie
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Jipps,
Is is true? Is the grip unbelievable once experienced?
That is a really cool little vice. I completely agree with your decision to keep the original finish.
It would have been a shame to wire wheel that one. I'm going to have to get a vice like that to keep in my pocket for clamping emergencies.yup, Madison Huntsville got blasted finally melting off today
thanks - not sure on year when I break it down to resto ill look for date stamp. yeah I like the stand will bolt down some day
Jipps,
Is is true? Is the grip unbelievable once experienced?
That is a really cool little vice. I completely agree with your decision to keep the original finish.
Yep, it's fantastic! The vice actually has three countersunk mounting points so it could be bolted or screwed to a bench in the ordinary way; however, the clamp is more than up to anything you'd be doing on a 2" vice, and so I think I'll rely on this rather than using the mounting holes... I think there will be virtue in keeping the little Imp portable and ready to bring to a job...
va.grouseman
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I know one of you fellows needs a parker bear to round out that collection.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/381180047608?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/381180047608?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
topop101
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Outlawmws
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I picked this versa vise up off of ebay this week . I was wondering is any one knows how to date them. I seen a patent date was early 1900's but no clOO how to determine age on the vise it's self. ???
Dinner and a movie, maybe flowers.
Other than that, I got nutin...
Thrumcap
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San Clemente, California
Contents of machine shop and tool crib of a nuclear generating station at auction - includes a few workbenches with Wilton vises attached and a ton of Vista cabinets. March 12 and 13th.
http://www.mriauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/web_songs5_brochure.pdf
Thrumcap
Contents of machine shop and tool crib of a nuclear generating station at auction - includes a few workbenches with Wilton vises attached and a ton of Vista cabinets. March 12 and 13th.
http://www.mriauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/web_songs5_brochure.pdf
Thrumcap
Outlawmws
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Just bring you Geiger counter!
depatty
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Let's talk about vise scarcity for a bit...
My "Wanted Craftsman 5197/5198" advertisement has gotten over 8,000 hits!!!
Holy Sheep Dip!!!
And turned up ONE 5198 with a hole in the anvil, that is now sitting in BigCaddy's Gigantic Craftsman Vise Collection...
I'm really beginning to wonder how many 5198's are around???
Oh well, the quest continues...
All you folks up north---Stay Warm!!!
78 degrees here today!!!
Photos---Before---After---The Collection
Got a 5197 that needs a tiny bit of work.
Other than the rust it doesn't look too bad from the front.
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This one shows a bit of the problem.
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And here you can see what someone did to it, MANY years ago...
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Swivel is bolted and somewhat welded. Anvil is broken and has the strap bolted in place over it. Actually still works quite well as a beater vise.
I'll try to get some pix of the model # tomorrow if you're interested in seeing it.
Dave
Craptain
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depatty;4696548 I'll try to get some pix of the model # tomorrow if you're interested in seeing it. :eyecrazy: Dave[/QUOTE said:ALWAYS interested in pictures.
It seems as if you already put it to work.
oldldh
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A lesser vise would not have survived the repair process...
And would not be still functioning, as a clamper...
Stout devices, they are...
And would not be still functioning, as a clamper...
Stout devices, they are...
depatty
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ALWAYS interested in pictures.
It seems as if you already put it to work.
Yep, works fine other than looks.
Soon as I get a few other little projects taken care of I'm gonna see what I can do about rebuilding it, but until then it gets used. 
bigcaddy
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San Clemente, California
Contents of machine shop and tool crib of a nuclear generating station at auction - includes a few workbenches with Wilton vises attached and a ton of Vista cabinets. March 12 and 13th.
http://www.mriauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/web_songs5_brochure.pdf
Thrumcap
I've been there and seen the machine shops when we did the turbine replacement a few years ago. 3 shutdowns and 2 expensive turbines later, plant goes offline due to erosion in the steam piping tubes.
That place had some great stuff and will be a great auction!
torqueman2002
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I'm in some trouble now.
I went to my first estate sale yesterday and came home with this 3.5" Columbian 403 1/2.
The jaws are in great shape.
Although, I don't know if the smooth lower 'jaw' is original, as it prevents the fixed jaw from rotating fully.
With smooth lower 'jaw' removed.
Additional pictures; PB Slideshow link. --> http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Vises/Columbian 403_5 3_5 inch
I went to my first estate sale yesterday and came home with this 3.5" Columbian 403 1/2.
The jaws are in great shape.
Although, I don't know if the smooth lower 'jaw' is original, as it prevents the fixed jaw from rotating fully.
With smooth lower 'jaw' removed.
Additional pictures; PB Slideshow link. --> http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Vises/Columbian 403_5 3_5 inch
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bigcaddy
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Those jaws look like homemade but are pretty nice.
Outlawmws
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That's a cool find TM. I can't recall seeing that type of add-on jaw like that for any machinist vise, much less a Columbian.
Well Done!
Well Done!
depatty
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Couple of more old vises of mine.
Reed No. 106
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Pat. Aug 11, 1914
Reed Mfg Co.
Erie PA
USA
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No. 106
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Needs a bit of work.
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Diamond Brand Vice
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Diamond Brand
Multi-Purpose Bench Vise
150 MM
Made in China
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Need to make a new pipe holding insert for this one as it's missing one of the 3. Still works otherwise.
Got more and will get some pix as I find them in the clutter.
Dave
Reed No. 106
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Pat. Aug 11, 1914
Reed Mfg Co.
Erie PA
USA
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No. 106
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Needs a bit of work.
View media item 48751
Diamond Brand Vice
View media item 48752
View media item 48753
Diamond Brand
Multi-Purpose Bench Vise
150 MM
Made in China
View media item 48754
Need to make a new pipe holding insert for this one as it's missing one of the 3. Still works otherwise.
Got more and will get some pix as I find them in the clutter.
Dave
drivesitfar
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TM: most of us would have bought that vise even if it was our 1,000th estate sale. that Columbian swivel jaw is a keeper and those interesting lower jaws are pretty unique and look well done. can you take a few more pictures of where the lower jaw was mounted that you removed and maybe remove the other one and take a couple pictures.
you done good my friend
you done good my friend
trijeff
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Nice Prentiss #22 6" Swivel-Jaw/Base available in Northern CA - little outta my price range but thought someone might be interested:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/4920106594.html
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/4920106594.html
oldldh
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A 6" Swivel Jaw---
Swivlin' B@#tard is probably worth around the sellers asking price...
Or close to it...
Outlaw---FETCH!!!
Outlawmws
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Too much $$ and to far away for my blood. Nice vise though!
Nice Prentiss #22 6" Swivel-Jaw/Base available in Northern CA - little outta my price range but thought someone might be interested:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/4920106594.html
I know Prentiss used a lot of base designs but that base almost looks as if its off a cheapie import, but I'm far from a expert.
McBrownie
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Auto,
I see what you mean. It seems a little skinny/thin and the sharp corners on the feet don't seem right either. If it is a replacement, though, it sure fits nice.
Here is a picture of Prentiss 19 for comparison:
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