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mike_paxton

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Agreed


~Veeps

I think it is neat to finally have a mfg name of Milhoff Machine and Welding Inc. of Minnesota as the identified maker of the pressed metal vises.

Did a quick check and company began 60 years ago and started by Bob Hofmeister and Bob Miller (hence the formation of Milhoff name, I'm guessing).

I did see they have a website, but didn't see pics of their vises on it.

http://milhoffmachine.com/about-us.html

What I'm still wondering is why Milhoff chose NOT to put their name on the vises (especially if a lifetime warranty exists), plus is there only the two styles of pressed metal vises they made (i.e. which was the double swivel that just popped up this past week on GJ vise forum, and the model that I have which is the single swivel.

In any event, found an obit on one of the owners and it's worth a read and so will put the link below as a reference.

http://www.startribune.com/obituaries/27078964.html
 
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There's a pretty nice Craftsman 5195 over on Ebay...

Au Natural...

Manufacture date of 11-52....

Priced at $ 250.00...

Too much, for the smallest of the series...

But...

I guess the word is out on the 519X series of vises...

No more el cheapos...

I feel pretty good about being able of putting a 5197 into my Craftsman pack of old iron :rocker:
 

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ViseSquad: I'm no Reed expert at all, but my best guess is that is a super early version of what would be the 2C today. I've never seen that writing style on a Reed of any variety. I would agree that it is missing the original swivel base, or at least part of it. Guessing that is it a split collar with welded/cast jaws? I say NICE FIND!!

Thanks, and I guess the swivel vise stayed on the bench. There were so many old mining and logging camps around here and if someone found this out in the bush they might well have not had the tools to unscrew/bolt the base and so left it behind. I assume the vise body is cast and there is no sign of any welding, except one torch gouge on the jaws!;)

Are the pipe jaws made of little pieces of metal held together? The same patent date is present on some Reed pipe vises so I was wondering if the patent date might just be related to part of the vise? i.e the pipe jaws.

Perhaps US Patent 563040?

http://www.google.com/patents/US563040

Yes, they are indeed little piece of flat bar, about 3/16" x 5/8" (I didn't measure). I guess you are right about the patent and thank you for that info:beer:

I can't speak about the patent but Reed started as a company in 1896, so you have what has to be one of their first models.

Thank you!

BlaneViseSquad,---If there is a raised hump on the bottom of the STATIC that matches the notches in the swivel plate, then you are complete above bench.---All you need is a big plate washer to go under bench, over rabbit ear nut.--Very nice find, very old, AND HAS THE PIPE JAWS.

Yes, there is a small cast lug or bump that seems to fit the swivel pretty well. So probably the missing base was recessed for the disk that is still there. This would mean that when the clamp was tightened, the static (thanks for the new term;)) rotation would be locked by the friction of all three pieces rather than the load going on the cast lug or bump? It just so happens I collect old junque like plate/bridge washers and I think I have something that will work. I also have a swivel base off a 5" Chinese pipefitter's vise that might just fit, but will have to dig it out of storage.

Just looking at the index plate a little more, I guess those three countersunk screw holes were for attaching it to the base with machine screws

The plate with the notches looks a little small. The ones I have match the diameter of the bottom of the base. As VA said The notches should line up on both pieces. The bottom washer on the left is a Parker, middle is from a H B Smith, right is a J S vise. They are all about the same age as yours.

Agreed as above: the notched flange is too small, unless it sits inside the larger base mount, which I believe it must have. An old catalog page is what I need. I'm surprised how rough cast the other two washers are compared to the one on the left.

When I get it apart and cleaned up I'll post some more photos. Have to finish fixing up the new lathe first!:D Just happened to have this disk of T1 plate lying around that might make a base too, if the Chinese one doesn't fit. Weld on some nuts, fill and grind...
 

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Thought and looked a bit more: to my surprise I think this must be the entire original setup, minus the flange under the bench. Reason being the little bump shows a lot of wear from the indexed flange, but no wear past the edge of the flange. If there was a larger base the flange sat inside as I thought, it would either have had to have been indexed as well to clear the bump or else lower to clear it entirely. If it was indexed it would show the same wear as the bump does where it bears against the flange. If it was lower it would not contact the bottom of the static at all and so would serve no purpose!

If the bump was ground off beyond the flange a typical base could be been fitted that would contact and support the static all around the edge, but it wasn't! They could have just made the flange the full diameter of the static too...:headscrat

So, in a way good, in a way not so good!
 

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Hey Z, I ain't sayin' its worth 200 bucks BUT I am saying its worth more than $25 I paid for it.

SOME people on this board say I'm lucky (TOPOP) but this was on CL for something like a month before I saw the ad. Me thinks you should make some bitter wine from those sour grapes you're growing! :lol_hitti

No sour grapes just trying to be realistic.
 

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No sour grapes just trying to be realistic.

Zkling, That sour grapes comment wasn't a shot at you. it was a direct shot at Topop who constantly threatens to come up here and pic OUR northern vises.:scared:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-All...862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e7e74c06

The vise DOES have their name on it, but it is probably buried under paint and assorted debris. See pics below.

What I am thrilled about is that Meatsis from our board has identified yet another American made vise that is unique. I will call the company and try to get some current pics.
 

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Let me say you have been warned...I AM SOOO PISSED AT FEDEX AND THEIR DECEPTIVE SHIPPING PRACTICES!

Last week I shipped a package through FEDEX to Zoomieport. It weighed 105 lbs and I used a FEDEX box which measured 14X14X22". I went online, added all the information listed above, gave an accurate address, weight and dimensions, they gave me a price ($84.99) and I delivered the package to FEDEX's service center directly. Today I went into my online bank account and saw that FEDEX charged me $95.37???!!!??? So I called FEDEX and after 20 minutes they told me that the difference was a $9.00 surcharge for the package. WHAT I ASKED?? WHY? I gave you all the information you asked for, did I mis-weigh it or mis-measure it? No FEDEX tells me but it was a heavy package. Again I asked them was it an odd shape (I knew it wasn't)? No they said it was just heavy. That's when I lost it. I went into their shipping software and clearly put in that it weighed 105lbs there was no surprise there. FEDEX told me their shipping software is an 'estimate'! ESTIMATE? REALLY? Hell the Effed up Post Office can give me an estimate that is within a penny and that's a quasi-governmental agency:thumbup:

Personally I think this is a FEDEX scam. They charged me over a 10% surcharge for no good reason. They did NOT disclose this surcharge upfront even though they had all the information to do so. I WILL NEVER USE FEDEX AGAIN. EVER!:mad::wtf::monkey_po
 

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Driving by an auction a couple of weeks ago and two metal tables jumped in my trailer. Had these old things mounted each table. This is after a bath in Super Clean.
 

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I think it is neat to finally have a mfg name of Milhoff Machine and Welding Inc. of Minnesota as the identified maker of the pressed metal vises.

Did a quick check and company began 60 years ago and started by Bob Hofmeister and Bob Miller (hence the formation of Milhoff name, I'm guessing).

I did see they have a website, but didn't see pics of their vises on it.

http://milhoffmachine.com/about-us.html

What I'm still wondering is why Milhoff chose NOT to put their name on the vises (especially if a lifetime warranty exists), plus is there only the two styles of pressed metal vises they made (i.e. which was the double swivel that just popped up this past week on GJ vise forum, and the model that I have which is the single swivel.

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I called Milhoff today and they sent me the following. I will gladly resend these in high res if you'd like them, just PM me
 

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mike_paxton

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I called Milhoff today and they sent me the following. I will gladly resend these in high res if you'd like them, just PM me

Joe.striper:

That is great info you got from Milhoff and posted up for us to see.

It does say that Milhoff made both the double swivel and single swivel versions in the literature.

I did find the original single version that I had and it's posted on GJ at the top of page on this below link. That one was sold to a GJ person from Pittsburgh, PA, who is doing a full restoration on it.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4130486#post4130486

One thing I got to ask you Joe, since I have another single swivel one on my bench and that is, where do I need to look on the vise to find that company info???

Thanks again for all your help in getting the Mystery Maker finally identified!!!

Mike
 

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Something small. From across the pond, size 0, 1.5" jaws, unknown maker.

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Sitting atop my new stand. 1" top, 9" .250 thickness square post, 1.5" manhole base. This will be absolutely perfect for the Prentiss 98 and a few receivers for other vises, grinders and whatnot. This will eventually get purtied up and lagged to the shop floor. Don't know the weight but I can lift at least 200 and the seller was quite a bit bigger than me, but it still took three of us to get it in my truck.

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Joe.striper:

That is great info you got from Milhoff and posted up for us to see.

It does say that Milhoff made both the double swivel and single swivel versions in the literature.

I did find the original single version that I had and it's posted on GJ at the top of page on this below link. That one was sold to a GJ person from Pittsburgh, PA, who is doing a full restoration on it.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4130486#post4130486

One thing I got to ask you Joe, since I have another single swivel one on my bench and that is, where do I need to look on the vise to find that company info???

Thanks again for all your help in getting the Mystery Maker finally identified!!!

Mike
Mike congratulate MEATSIS from this board for the information. He started the process, being a salesman I just finished it. You have no idea how happy i am to see this one solved. I just knew the quality was too good to be an import. I thought it might be German. It really is a unique vise.

As to the name it seems it is on the flat behind the jaws which is where all the **** goes.
 

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Something big. Another beer holder. 202# of forged goodness. Haven't seen a maker's mark yet, may be homemade. 7-3/4" jaws but I'm claiming 8 :bounce:

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Let me say you have been warned...I AM SOOO PISSED AT FEDEX AND THEIR DECEPTIVE SHIPPING PRACTICES!



Last week I shipped a package through FEDEX to Zoomieport. It weighed 105 lbs and I used a FEDEX box which measured 14X14X22". I went online, added all the information listed above, gave an accurate address, weight and dimensions, they gave me a price ($84.99) and I delivered the package to FEDEX's service center directly. Today I went into my online bank account and saw that FEDEX charged me $95.37???!!!??? So I called FEDEX and after 20 minutes they told me that the difference was a $9.00 surcharge for the package. WHAT I ASKED?? WHY? I gave you all the information you asked for, did I mis-weigh it or mis-measure it? No FEDEX tells me but it was a heavy package. Again I asked them was it an odd shape (I knew it wasn't)? No they said it was just heavy. That's when I lost it. I went into their shipping software and clearly put in that it weighed 105lbs there was no surprise there. FEDEX told me their shipping software is an 'estimate'! ESTIMATE? REALLY? Hell the Effed up Post Office can give me an estimate that is within a penny and that's a quasi-governmental agency:thumbup:



Personally I think this is a FEDEX scam. They charged me over a 10% surcharge for no good reason. They did NOT disclose this surcharge upfront even though they had all the information to do so. I WILL NEVER USE FEDEX AGAIN. EVER!:mad::wtf::monkey_po


Dam that is really screwed up. I can see if you didn't plug in the actuals into their estimating system.


I called Milhoff today and they sent me the following. I will gladly resend these in high res if you'd like them, just PM me


That's vise looks awesome in red.



~Veeps
 

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Not at all, CW ... I did not account for you lads! The box is 10-1/2" / 268mm in length. Imagine four 12 oz / 355ml beverage cans lined up. It's a bit of a monster ;)
 
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TP: so future son in law brings you a broken rusty vise and you are ok with that? is he testing to see how good your vise repair skills are or doesn't he know you really wanted maybe a Reed 4C

Heck no I wasn't ok with it. It will be his wedding gift... if he makes it that far. :mad:... I do have a line on a 2C though... Just playing the waiting game.
 

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Ok I have a problem. A big problem. I went from having 0 Parker Vises to 4 in 5 days. I think my vise fund is depleted for now.

Today's first addition. Parker 33. I forgot I bid on this a week ago and got a notice that the auction was about to end. I was the only bidder at $38.50. It was local pickup and less than 15 min from my house so I picked it this morning. My cheapest vise acquisition. It's a cool looking little vise. The jaws and a little smooth but hold strong. I forgot to ask the guy where he got it but he owns a honey farm and was a really nice guy. I'm not going to touch this one for now.

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And here is today's 2nd addition. Parker 974. I saw it on CL on Friday and the seller held it for me until today for $60. He was a machinist at Gorham silver in Rhode Island. The plant closed in the 80s and he bought 2 of these when they auctioned off all the equipment. The nicest and heftiest of the Parkers I have weighing in at 60 lbs. I only need to strip and repaint it. I don't know if the blue is original.

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~Veeps
 

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Ok I have a problem. A big problem. I went from having 0 Parker Vises to 4 in 5 days. I think my vise fund is depleted for now.

And here is today's 2nd addition. Parker 974. I saw it on CL on Friday and the seller held it for me until today for $60. He was a machinist at Gorham silver in Rhode Island. The plant closed in the 80s and he bought 2 of these when they auctioned off all the equipment. The nicest and heftiest of the Parkers I have weighing in at 60 lbs. I only need to strip and repaint it. I don't know if the blue is original.
~Veeps

Congrats on the 974. More vise than most homeowners need (just don't tell that to anyone on this thread). I doubt the blue is original, so you could just strip it and paint it, or you could strip it and paint it! :bounce:
 

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Not at all, CW ... I did not account for you lads! The box is 10-1/2" / 268mm in length. Imagine four 12 oz / 355ml beverage cans lined up. It's a bit of a monster ;)

Cheers
That's an impressive vise then :)

I've one vice that could manage that, I can see beer cans and cameras in my near future :)
 

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Zkling, That sour grapes comment wasn't a shot at you. it was a direct shot at Topop who constantly threatens to come up here and pic OUR northern vises.:scared:

Well joe at the rate you are buying up their I'm not going to have a reason to come to your neck of the woods. BUT... If I do you can bet the bed of my F150 will be loaded and my wallet MT:thumbup:
 

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Zkling, That sour grapes comment wasn't a shot at you. it was a direct shot at Topop who constantly threatens to come up here and pic OUR northern vises.:scared:

Well joe at the rate you are buying up their I'm not going to have a reason to come to your neck of the woods. BUT... If I do you can bet the bed of my F150 will be loaded and my wallet MT:thumbup:

Bagged is killing me in RI and CT. He made need a 'visit' from some of my 'friends' so he can stop buying MY vises...rat *******. He probably likes swivelin' vises too.
 

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Let me say you have been warned...I AM SOOO PISSED AT FEDEX AND THEIR DECEPTIVE SHIPPING PRACTICES!

Last week I shipped a package through FEDEX to Zoomieport. It weighed 105 lbs and I used a FEDEX box which measured 14X14X22". I went online, added all the information listed above, gave an accurate address, weight and dimensions, they gave me a price ($84.99) and I delivered the package to FEDEX's service center directly. Today I went into my online bank account and saw that FEDEX charged me $95.37???!!!??? So I called FEDEX and after 20 minutes they told me that the difference was a $9.00 surcharge for the package. WHAT I ASKED?? WHY? I gave you all the information you asked for, did I mis-weigh it or mis-measure it? No FEDEX tells me but it was a heavy package. Again I asked them was it an odd shape (I knew it wasn't)? No they said it was just heavy. That's when I lost it. I went into their shipping software and clearly put in that it weighed 105lbs there was no surprise there. FEDEX told me their shipping software is an 'estimate'! ESTIMATE? REALLY? Hell the Effed up Post Office can give me an estimate that is within a penny and that's a quasi-governmental agency:thumbup:

Personally I think this is a FEDEX scam. They charged me over a 10% surcharge for no good reason. They did NOT disclose this surcharge upfront even though they had all the information to do so. I WILL NEVER USE FEDEX AGAIN. EVER!:mad::wtf::monkey_po

That is BS, Sir!
Problem solved, check your PayPal account...

Fellas,
Joe is an awesome man to do business with, honest to the core and if you want to learn how to package a vise, ask that dude!!!
Thanks JOE!!!

Take care!:thumbup:
ZOOM
 

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First post, here goes!

After exploring Wilton, Parker, Erie Tool Works, Prentiss, Columbian, etc. I've developed a fixation on the vintage English vises (vices), especially Woden. Current collection includes a 186B/0, 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5 -- I'll post about that later.

Last week I had the opportunity to pick up neat Paramo No.6 with a swivel base. It looks like it's led a charmed life and it weighs an honest 7 stone. Here it is after some cleaning and wirebrushing the bare metal areas:

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The seller told me that he had owned it for over 40 years and had bought it from a neighbor that had owned it for about 30 years. This puts it's birthday at 1945, which jives with the account that Paramo started making vises in 1940 after the Record factory was bombed. Here's where it gets tricky -- after wirebrushing the fixed jaw I found this stamp:

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It states "5/69" suggesting it was made in 1969. Have other Paramo owners found this stamp here?
 

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I am on a roll, I finished another one!
That's 2 in 2 days!
Kind of... I actually got it from Nick (Autopts) a while back. He had already done all the work, an excellent job, I might add, thank you Nick!
I just did a color change to match the others.

6-68 REED 1C
Jaws by Kevin Scott

Take care!:thumbup:
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JZ: nice first post. good vise and great pictures. i'll have to check my Paramo if i still own one for a date stamp, but likely that is and the memory of your old neighbor was a bit off.

BTW you might put your location in your profile so we know what part of the world another vise guy with a vice for them is located. are you in the UK since you are measuring in stone weight or is that just because you bought an old English vise.

Joe: Fed Ex did that to me to when i sent a vise to Texas and my account was charged $2 more than the quote on a $35 charge. no response from customer service. i like USPS flat rate and need a good shipper for those 50 to 100 pound vises and tools. after 100 pounds i really like using Fastenal and highly recommend them if you are able to load and deliver on a small or full size pallet.

Zoomie: nice vise and great restoration. what color are you painting these Reed C series vises?

ALL: nice teamwork on that steel welded vise. not one i'm interested in owning because it doesn't have the look i like, but a US made lifetime warranty might make me recommend them. what do they cost new? Nice teamwork from the Vise Squad on that vise guys. :thumbup:
 

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One of our vise-a-holics...

Wanted some original "Color" photos of some of the Craftsman 519X series vises...

Well, they're as rare as rocking horse manure...

But...

Here's two of a 5196 from an Ebay sale about 18 months ago...

Kind of a "Slatey, Metalicy, Semi-flatey Blue"...I don't know if the red letters are original...

The vise sold for over $ 300.00, including the freight!!!

For a 4 inch Craftsman vise!!!
 

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Zoomie: your vises your color is my best advise and they look great.

Oldie: not sure who is asking, but I've got a 5196 with almost all of it's original paint still on it and i think it's a 1948 stamped one. i'll add mine to the color chart for comparison to the one you have saved and posted. sorry i don't have a full size shot of it, but i will in time.
 

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JZiggy---

A lot of our members are not familiar with the measuring system on the other side of the pond, in old Blighty...

So for those of you that are mathematically challenged...:scared:

a stone= 14 pounds...

7 stone = 98 pounds...

It's all based on the "Olde English" standard of....

FURLONGS PER FORTNIGHT!!!:thumbup::evil:
 
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