CwazyWabbit
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It's annoying though as although it can be repaired part of the attraction of that vice was how original it was with the paintwork and sticker still reasonably intact. 
The VISES of Garage Journal
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vintage nut
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That's really unfortunate. Looks like a really nice vise apart from the damage!It's annoying though as although it can be repaired part of the attraction of that vice was how original it was with the paintwork and sticker still reasonably intact.
you can never have too many tools
CwazyWabbit
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I suppose it's proved one thing, the Model F is definitely grey cast iron .... I'm surprised I haven't seen other broken or chipped Model F's
drivesitfar
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Dutch: I agree with Vintage about your fix, but it sounds like you already are on board for that one. I've shipped a few vises and always screw the vise to a 3/4 inch piece of plywood. sure it makes the box a little heavier, but knocking on wood i haven't had a vise opened by the new owner with a foot broken which is why i spend a little more time packing a vise.
Craptain: just curious if that little vise next to your grinder will hold a steel ball? i'd like to buff up a couple of mine and read that Jake had one bouncing around his shop which might be a bit dangerous. I've had the horseshoes of a Wilton go flying so i need to buy a couple of them.
Harv: my Vanderman #1 weighs 100 pounds and is sort of like yours and it's early 1900's which is probably about the age of yours with that style and swivel action with a single bolt through the bench. you might start reading this thread which might take a while. i read it twice before i joined learning quite a bit about vises, but it might have 5 times as many posts now. Enjoy
Craptain: just curious if that little vise next to your grinder will hold a steel ball? i'd like to buff up a couple of mine and read that Jake had one bouncing around his shop which might be a bit dangerous. I've had the horseshoes of a Wilton go flying so i need to buy a couple of them.
Harv: my Vanderman #1 weighs 100 pounds and is sort of like yours and it's early 1900's which is probably about the age of yours with that style and swivel action with a single bolt through the bench. you might start reading this thread which might take a while. i read it twice before i joined learning quite a bit about vises, but it might have 5 times as many posts now. Enjoy
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vintage nut
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Here's my next vise project, and my last vise unrestored (gonna need to find more!) another English made 4" record. The jaws are a set I made from aluminum. It doesn't look too bad right now, but judging by the runs and paint slopped on the handle, I'm thinking it was repainted by a student at my school.... I'm gonna make it look like new, like the other record here.
These may not be the coolest vises, but they are definitely good ones! And cheap and easy to find here. This one survived 30 years in a highschool and still doesn't have any slop.
I think we have 60 bucks in two of these! (mine was 15, my dad's 45)
Although before I start that I have to probably destroy the driveway changing the transmission fluid in my truck
you can never have too many tools
These may not be the coolest vises, but they are definitely good ones! And cheap and easy to find here. This one survived 30 years in a highschool and still doesn't have any slop.
I think we have 60 bucks in two of these! (mine was 15, my dad's 45)
Although before I start that I have to probably destroy the driveway changing the transmission fluid in my truck
you can never have too many tools
bagged89s10
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vintage nut
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Here's the record after disassembly. They are kinda tricky to take apart. Have to open them all the way, drive out the pin holding the nut, push the slide back to push the nut out, then drive out the pin holding the spring where the handle is, then screw out the nut, remove it, then finally slide it apart. This one had so much paint and **** on the slide that it took a little gentil tapping with a lead hammer to make it come apart. Its currently soaking in oven cleaner to get all the grease and other stuff off of it. Then strip the paint.
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
vintage nut
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Hopefully by the time I call snapon to get a kit for my ratchet, the vise will be ready to rinse clean!
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
vintage nut
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Has anyone ever found green paint on a record before? None on the dynamic jaw or slide, but the static casting had a coat of green under the blue. Then white primer under that. The oven cleaner ate right through the blue, so it was definitely a cheap enamel
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
dutchgray
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vintage nut
My first vice was a Record No3 as was my dads, its possibly the most common size so there is loads of them and they can be found very cheap, but they are decent vices and always worth buying.
My first vice was a Record No3 as was my dads, its possibly the most common size so there is loads of them and they can be found very cheap, but they are decent vices and always worth buying.
vintage nut
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I really like them! We have one on nearly every bench we have! Loads of them around here. Every school around here probably had 30+ #3 records between the auto and metal shops, not to mention all the other shops around. Probably 1 in 2 vises on my local Craigslist are those records
you can never have too many tools
dutchgray
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vintage nut
They were japanned originally (I guess the current ones are probably painted) so I guess yours was given a coat of blue to make it look right on top of a previous green coat.
They were japanned originally (I guess the current ones are probably painted) so I guess yours was given a coat of blue to make it look right on top of a previous green coat.
dutchgray
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It was the nicest original No 5 I had even seen, they are not very common either, so its a real shame. I was not going to paint it either but will now have to give the static a new coat of burgundy.
dutchgray
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My No7 has some decent chips in the castings, but it has seen some serious use and abuse judging by the amount of wear on it and how rounded the jaw edges have become.
vintage nut
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Here it is after oven cleaner before I take it to bare metal
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
vintage nut
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Upon closer inspection, there are at least 4 different colors of paint on the static half, only two on the dynamic though?
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
Craptain
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Honestly I don't think so. At least if it's shiny. The jaws (on mine) are almost smooth and rely solely on pressure to hold. But I can get a lot of pressure.
The only way I have ever polished (small) balls is in a tumbler with appropriate abrasive or polish.
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trijeff
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Shout out to all of you members who have, and WILL, help out another GJ vise-head with information and/or parts just out of the pure kindness of his/her heart ... got loads of good peoples here, that is for sure!!! Latest shout out goes to Zak77, he is paying it forward big time and I can't wait until I have the chance to do so for him or another member.
trijeff
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Oh, and 1400 pages, that is absolutely ridiculous!! 
Keep it up 
Keep it up CwazyWabbit
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My No.7 has also had a hard life and has rounded jaw edges but I know one thing now ...... there is no way I'm letting a courier in my workshop
CwazyWabbit
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Fairly certain they're are a lot of vices that have avoided the scrap heap purely down to the influence of this thread alone ....
Pstychologist
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Can you experts help me name/value this vise? If it's worth much, I'll buy it!
Thanks!
3 in width, 17 in length. Has 380 in the side.
https://scontent-ord.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/19104_10204124175845311_1082400292948508712_n.jpg?oh=e6a310c2e321cd1e7dc3a878af9a25ea&oe=5597D169
Thanks!
3 in width, 17 in length. Has 380 in the side.
https://scontent-ord.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/19104_10204124175845311_1082400292948508712_n.jpg?oh=e6a310c2e321cd1e7dc3a878af9a25ea&oe=5597D169
drivesitfar
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CW: many posts of members actually finding not only broken vises, but decent vises in the scrap piles so yes i'm positive you are correct. I've actually had vises given to me that were broken or rusted that i'm sure would have ended up melted and i'm using for parts or making a vise out them with parts from another broken vise.
Craptain: i'm sure i'll need one of those tumblers in my shop one day and just passed on a commercial one that had a 5 foot wide bin with about 50 of those triangle pieces that beat off the rust and smooth the edges. too big for me and it might have weighed 600 pounds so not easily moved. if i had one of those big garages like some of the guys in the garage gallery i'd have figured out a way to bring that beast home.
PST: not a heavy duty vise and most of the ones I've seen are broken because pretty sure that anvil looking portion is hollow.
Craptain: i'm sure i'll need one of those tumblers in my shop one day and just passed on a commercial one that had a 5 foot wide bin with about 50 of those triangle pieces that beat off the rust and smooth the edges. too big for me and it might have weighed 600 pounds so not easily moved. if i had one of those big garages like some of the guys in the garage gallery i'd have figured out a way to bring that beast home.
PST: not a heavy duty vise and most of the ones I've seen are broken because pretty sure that anvil looking portion is hollow.
Pstychologist
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Thanks, drives... they are asking $65 bucks but they would be an hour's drive away.
vintage nut
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Ready for a wipe down and primer
About an hour with the wire wheel
you can never have too many tools
About an hour with the wire wheel
you can never have too many tools
drivesitfar
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PST: i'd pass unless you really want to shine if up and straighten the handle and put it on a shelf for a collectable vise. it's not that rare and since you only posted one side the other side could have a broken foot too.
your call
Vintage: so maybe a BLO finish?? you are a couple hours north of me and it looks like you have summer sunshine and lawn in the pictures.
your call
Vintage: so maybe a BLO finish?? you are a couple hours north of me and it looks like you have summer sunshine and lawn in the pictures.
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Pstychologist
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I think I'll listen to your advice on the vise. If anyone else is interested, I'd help them get it.
Maui
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Pstychologist, your vise was invented by Carl Shields from Rock Island, Illinois. You can view the patent that was issued on August 20, 1912 here:
http://www.google.com/patents/US1036155
Maui
http://www.google.com/patents/US1036155
Maui
vintage nut
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Yep its a beautiful day here!
I think I'm going to repaint it. Still a little bit of primer that does not want to come off some of the rough spots. Very thin, but visible. I would do a blo finish, but I really don't feel like getting out the sandblaster and dealing with the huge mess that makes. And my bead blast cabinet is out of service and possibly too small.
I'm gonna shoot it with etch primer, and then use up the blue engine enamel left over from the other record.
you can never have too many tools
vintage nut
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I'm not sure if it's exactly right, but ford blue engine enamel looks pretty good on records, and stands up really well!
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
vintage nut
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Primer, ready for paint!
Sorry if I'm posting too many pictures
you can never have too many tools
Sorry if I'm posting too many pictures
you can never have too many tools
Mark in Indiana
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Oh, and 1400 pages, that is absolutely ridiculous!!
"What a long strange trip it's been." -The Greatful Dead
vintage nut
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Finished!
I had forgotten how infuriating these records can be to assemble.... Here's some pictures before assembly, and a few with the other record and the terrier
you can never have too many tools
I had forgotten how infuriating these records can be to assemble.... Here's some pictures before assembly, and a few with the other record and the terrier
you can never have too many tools
jakemac
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WOW !
That was a quick turnaround. It looks great.
That was a quick turnaround. It looks great.
It's kind of a neat concept that the Records and Paramos have a hole in the slide for oiling on the screw.
I have noticed the following differences in nut configuration:
Record: pinned
Woden: bolted
Paramo: cast in place
Frankly, the permanently placed nut is my favorite design. The bolt method is nice, the pins are a pain!
I have noticed the following differences in nut configuration:
Record: pinned
Woden: bolted
Paramo: cast in place
Frankly, the permanently placed nut is my favorite design. The bolt method is nice, the pins are a pain!
FMC1959
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More than likely it is this Rock Island. These anvil vises have prices all over the place. I often see them in the $20-$50 range, but some people think they are worth a lot and ask $100-$300...not sure if they find someone at that price.
For $20-$40 I would get one because I think they are pretty nice looking.
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Re: Morgan Chicago Combination Vise
Here's a 40's style Morgan Chicago less than 10 minutes walk from my house:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/4953052407.html
Is it worth it?
Here's a 40's style Morgan Chicago less than 10 minutes walk from my house:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/4953052407.html
Is it worth it?
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bagged89s10
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Re: Morgan Chicago Combination Vise
It's a solid vise and it's made similar to the old Parkers. My Oswego 88 is a similar copy. I like the sub $100 vises but I'm cheap.
~Veeps
It's a solid vise and it's made similar to the old Parkers. My Oswego 88 is a similar copy. I like the sub $100 vises but I'm cheap.
~Veeps