dutchgray
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vintage nut
I got a whole bunch of G clamps, mostly Record's many with the butterfly handle.
I got a whole bunch of G clamps, mostly Record's many with the butterfly handle.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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balane
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Only one left? "Local pickup only but if someone is willing to pay the shipping cost I don't mind working with them and packaging one up and sending it to you."... sounds like our guy got lied to, hubby didn't sell them to a coworker.
Poor? Maybe. But that's pretty much how I run all of my auctions. Simple. What's questionable about it?
CwazyWabbit
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Most of mine are the Record 121's, been looking for some of the 2" record 121's that they discontinued years ago but you never see them
balane
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DIF. That is a really nice Cman vise. I saw that one listed too but it was a heck of a drive. That's a good score I think and I know you like those old Craftsman vises. It is identical in pretty much every way to a RI 574. I had one of those just a couple weeks ago and it weighed 73 pounds!! That thing was built like a tank and made to last.
That Cman with pipe jaws is a new on me! That would make a very cool vise.
That Cman with pipe jaws is a new on me! That would make a very cool vise.
Looks like it is mounted to a small engine flywheel. How many guide rods does that unit have, 3?
trijeff
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zkling: agreed! Terrible eBay ad. But this was a local-to-BlueBomber CL deal before it went up on eBay, and he indicated that he communicated with the seller only to find out her husband sold all of them minutes before. I just wanted to give him the heads up that it looks like the husband only sold 5 of the 6 so he might want to contact the seller if still interested. Despite the welded jaws, if it were local to me, I would probably want to check it out at $30 (negotiated down
).zkling: agreed! Terrible eBay ad. But this was a local-to-BlueBomber CL deal before it went up on eBay, and he indicated that he communicated with the seller only to find out her husband sold all of them minutes before. I just wanted to give him the heads up that it looks like the husband only sold 5 of the 6 so he might want to contact the seller if still interested. Despite the welded jaws, if it were local to me, I would probably want to check it out at $30 (negotiated down
Yes, I remember that. Just the vagueness of the ad rubs me the wrong way.
I didn't realize ebay had a bidders choice option. Which one are you bidding on? Which ones are still left? They show 4, possibly 5 wilton vises, two columbians and then two shots of just one wilton, is that the one for sale? If so why upload all the other pictures, especially for the lead pictures?
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trijeff
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Yes, I remember that. Just the vagueness of the ad rubs me the wrong way.
I didn't realize ebay had a bidders choice option. Which one are you bidding on? Which ones are still left? They show 4, possibly 5 wilton vises, two columbians and then two shots of just one wilton, is that the one for sale? If so why upload all the other pictures, especially for the lead pictures?
Wowzers, I didn't know this would turn into an eBay editorial. Just trying to give a heads up to a fellow GJ vise-head who is local to this deal and had previously expressed interest.
As a suggestion, you might try using the "Contact Seller" option in eBay if you think you are interested in the product but can't quite tell because of the posting. You have a chance to ask all of the questions that you posted to organ and this forum, above. I've used it quite a bit and usually sellers are great about timely and detailed replies, it is in their best interest to do so.
I actually like the vague listings because sometimes there is a real treasure and the majority of people who are potentially interested won't/don't take the incredibly small effort to contact the seller, therefore the item goes for next to nothing. This might not be the norm, but I oftentimes find that people's stuff is a lot better than his/her eBay savviness. I would rather have a great product/terrible ad than vice-versa.
joe.striper
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http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4976937989.html
Philly area. 6" Rock Island 597. $200 includes welding bench
Philly area. 6" Rock Island 597. $200 includes welding bench
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trijeff
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Now, back to the VISES!
Here is one I just scored, being sent to me now. Really liked that it is similar to the Wilton baby bullet but has the interesting characteristic of being completely sealed in the back, no dust cover. Was really thinking one of you Wilton-variant collectors was going to steal this from me but I was the first and only bidder
Anyway, the seller listed it as a "PJM 50 Jewelers Vice" - I've done all my normal searching and then some, haven't come up with anything yet. Perhaps all will be clear when in my hot little hands, but wondering if one of you may have more information? I'm thinking the "50" is for 50mm, or about 2", jaws.
Here is one I just scored, being sent to me now. Really liked that it is similar to the Wilton baby bullet but has the interesting characteristic of being completely sealed in the back, no dust cover. Was really thinking one of you Wilton-variant collectors was going to steal this from me but I was the first and only bidder
Anyway, the seller listed it as a "PJM 50 Jewelers Vice" - I've done all my normal searching and then some, haven't come up with anything yet. Perhaps all will be clear when in my hot little hands, but wondering if one of you may have more information? I'm thinking the "50" is for 50mm, or about 2", jaws.
Fraggles
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dutchgray
Not sure if you're close to Ensbury Park.
A Record 84 just got advertised for £14
http://www.gumtree.com/p/other-building-materials/record-vice-no.84/1110181692
Contact details of seller Phyllis and Alan 01202576127
Not sure if you're close to Ensbury Park.
A Record 84 just got advertised for £14
http://www.gumtree.com/p/other-building-materials/record-vice-no.84/1110181692
Contact details of seller Phyllis and Alan 01202576127
dutchgray
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Fraggles
Would be about a 2 1/2 hour round trip, I got my Samsonia from near there a few weeks ago, I live pretty much a north as you can go in Dorset and our road network is terrible. I will check its still there in the morning and give them a call. Thanks for the heads up, I don't check Gumtree that often as it doesn't seem to yield many vices near me.
Would be about a 2 1/2 hour round trip, I got my Samsonia from near there a few weeks ago, I live pretty much a north as you can go in Dorset and our road network is terrible. I will check its still there in the morning and give them a call. Thanks for the heads up, I don't check Gumtree that often as it doesn't seem to yield many vices near me.
McBrownie
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Seems a shame to pull that thing out of it's natural habitat.
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CwazyWabbit
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Unusual looking vice, anyone recognise it? http://www.gumtree.com/p/clamps-vices/heavy-duty-engineers-vice/1109783828
Now, back to the VISES!
Here is one I just scored, being sent to me now. Really liked that it is similar to the Wilton baby bullet but has the interesting characteristic of being completely sealed in the back, no dust cover. Was really thinking one of you Wilton-variant collectors was going to steal this from me but I was the first and only bidder
Anyway, the seller listed it as a "PJM 50 Jewelers Vice" - I've done all my normal searching and then some, haven't come up with anything yet. Perhaps all will be clear when in my hot little hands, but wondering if one of you may have more information? I'm thinking the "50" is for 50mm, or about 2", jaws.
IIRC those are a Polish vise. A member on here/ebay redid one a while back.
dutchgray
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CW
Looks like a China special to me, but then its cheap ish.
Don't have any 2" Record G clamps, got 4" to 12" though.
For 2" I buy modern decent ish ones, they are pretty cheap in the small sizes.
Looks like a China special to me, but then its cheap ish.
Don't have any 2" Record G clamps, got 4" to 12" though.
For 2" I buy modern decent ish ones, they are pretty cheap in the small sizes.
vintage nut
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I guess a G clamp across the pond is what we call a C clamp here?
Seems you guys named it after the shape of the whole thing, while we named it after the shape of the frame
you can never have too many tools
Seems you guys named it after the shape of the whole thing, while we named it after the shape of the frame
you can never have too many tools
CwazyWabbit
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I reckon you are right on that vice, the more I look at it the worse it looks!
Any particular brands of small clamp that are ok? Other than record and carver the other clamps I've tried always seem a bit rubbish, the 2" would mainly be for metalwork so tend get a good tightening which shows most up.
Any particular brands of small clamp that are ok? Other than record and carver the other clamps I've tried always seem a bit rubbish, the 2" would mainly be for metalwork so tend get a good tightening which shows most up.
CwazyWabbit
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Yep, you've hit the nail on the head there
FMC1959
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I totally understand your position. If it was a Wilton bullet, you are pretty assured to make your money back and some good profit. It's too bad because $110 for that whole kit shipped is a decent deal. Would make more sense for someone fixing it to keep for themselves. Of course you have the expertise in this domain and know best if it is worthwhile to get.
[QUOTE=drivesitfar;4790404]Tedsters: do you recall which year the Craftsman tool catalog says in writing that the 519x's are made by Columbian? i know they made the crowntop and the less expensive ones, but curious to see if it says in the catalogs they made the 519x's. I know Outlaw made a nice thread with several of the tool catalogs and I have most of the Craftsman tool catalogs saved to my laptop. Woody is trying to start another thread in the vintage section with all the Craftsman tool catalogs and a few members here bought the Cd's from Ebay that have all the catalogs.
ALL: speaking of Craftsman vises i picked up this 5163 last night that was made by Rock Island vise company probably in the 1930's or late 1920's. i'm guessing it weighs close to 60-70 pounds which is pretty good for a 4.5 inch jaw vise. speaking of Craftsman vises with pipe jaws i wish i could have bought this one last year, but seller didn't want to ship it. sorry for the sideways pictures of the only Craftsman vise I've seen with a Heritage badge and this style vise probably made by Rock Island, but the seller had this vise mounted to a vertical stud which might not be a bad way to mount a vise in a small garage or shop.[/QUOTE]
drives its right on the link i gave you it says 1957 A&B were made by columbian, the ad is hard to read. the writing is above the ad
ALL: speaking of Craftsman vises i picked up this 5163 last night that was made by Rock Island vise company probably in the 1930's or late 1920's. i'm guessing it weighs close to 60-70 pounds which is pretty good for a 4.5 inch jaw vise. speaking of Craftsman vises with pipe jaws i wish i could have bought this one last year, but seller didn't want to ship it. sorry for the sideways pictures of the only Craftsman vise I've seen with a Heritage badge and this style vise probably made by Rock Island, but the seller had this vise mounted to a vertical stud which might not be a bad way to mount a vise in a small garage or shop.[/QUOTE]
drives its right on the link i gave you it says 1957 A&B were made by columbian, the ad is hard to read. the writing is above the ad
GETRIDAONE
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Beachboy, Keep looking, it is Chinese junk. It should be more like $20 to $30 if you needed a vise.
drivesitfar
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Beach Boy: you almost went down the rabbit hole. i agree with Getridofone and I've passed on those big 6 Chinese or Imports at $30. if you really need a vise then $30-50 is an ok deal, but if you are wanting to spend the $150 for a quality vise either check Craigslist or Ebay after reading this thread or if you are close to me or another member on this thread we might have one ready to sell you that you'll love.
where do you live?
Tedsters: the link you provided opened up to Outlaw's thread and i think the 1940 catalog so thanks for letting me know you saw it in 1957 and i'll check it out. thanks
where do you live?
Tedsters: the link you provided opened up to Outlaw's thread and i think the 1940 catalog so thanks for letting me know you saw it in 1957 and i'll check it out. thanks
drivesitfar
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Tedsters: I just found the 1957 catalog page on Outlaw's thread and correct me if i'm wrong, but Outlaw put the sentence above the catalog page saying that A & B vises were Columbian made. in the Ad on the actual catalog page the A & B are a non swivel and swivel base models of the 519x series of Craftsman vises.
Columbian could have made them, but more likely Rock Island or Starrett or maybe Reed did and since they were made after WWII records should be available and somebody that worked at Sears or the vise company should still be alive to tell us.
As far as i'm concerned we are still looking for some information on which company made these vises for Craftsman from the late 40's thru the 60's. anybody know for sure? if you are a non member and have documentation please join and post it for us. thanks
Columbian could have made them, but more likely Rock Island or Starrett or maybe Reed did and since they were made after WWII records should be available and somebody that worked at Sears or the vise company should still be alive to tell us.
As far as i'm concerned we are still looking for some information on which company made these vises for Craftsman from the late 40's thru the 60's. anybody know for sure? if you are a non member and have documentation please join and post it for us. thanks
Outlawmws
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Drives, He's probably talking about my notes saying they are Columbian made. I still think that is right. Other Craftsman vises from the era have been positively ID'd as Columbian, including the successor to these vises, which have been found to be identical but for markings. Many of the 51xx series features also track to Columbian.
McBrownie
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I agree with others and think you should pass. Here is a Buffalo brand that looks almost identical with a big ol' #6 on it that is currently for sale for $75. I think that is too high.
https://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/4977763930.html
Mark in Indiana
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Anyone knows this brand? Janmor
I can pick this baby up for $160 CAD, worth $400+ according to seller.
It has a pipe jaw under the normal jaws
Beachboy
Run fast & far from this deal. I buy vises like this one for 10$ and flip them for 40$. They are only good for a welding table or if you want a vise to beat up.
Outlawmws
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Way too high. You can buy them new for about that... (Probably less on sale...)
balane
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Almost makes me wish that I lived on the Jersey shore.
OK, not really, nothing could make me wish for that.
topop101
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I'm not sure what to say.... nice stump?
balane
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It's probably best to not say anything at all.