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thieltech

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Post Pics of your machines u Rebuilt or restored .

Post as many pics as u like.

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Also welcome to post up unrestored Machines that are functional etc.

Be nice to make a book of them all
 
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A few from your neighbor to the north. More of my junk can be found in my tool thread. Excellent work on that surface grinder BTW.





 

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Sorry, you've set the bar to high with your grinder thread.

Reality is that I do not paint and purty a machine just bring it back to good functionality.

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Sorry, you've set the bar to high with your grinder thread.

Reality is that I do not paint and purty a machine just bring it back to good functionality.

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lol i didnt start this thread to make a competition.

i started it so i and others could enjoy pics of cool machines and learn a thing or to possiably . :)
 

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lol i didnt start this thread to make a competition.

i started it so i and others could enjoy pics of cool machines and learn a thing or to possiably . :)

I know its not a competition, just couldn't pass the chance to pat your back again. Nearest I could be is

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273996

Where I updated the old mill to a DRO. I just hate prep and paint work.

GALLERY]


I also have restored this drill press. It had been in a flood and needed a lot of work. Now it is a good working precision machine.

GALLERY]



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While I have several that are mostly done, the best pic I have is this before-and-after of my Nichols horizontal mill:

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I know its not a competition, just couldn't pass the chance to pat your back again. Nearest I could be is

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273996

Where I updated the old mill to a DRO. I just hate prep and paint work.

GALLERY]


I also have restored this drill press. It had been in a flood and needed a lot of work. Now it is a good working precision machine.

GALLERY]



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To be honest i think machines that are unrestored like your are just as cool !
I Drool the same for fixed up and or original !


the fact that they weigh so much and yet are so precision is a cool factor.
plus the precision parts you can make with them is never ending!

And thank you for the compliment
 
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Doc You should post all your machines , even if there not complete!!

I Know ive Read all of your builds etc on your web site ,but i would like to get a Thread with as many possiable here
 
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OK I'll bite!

This is the last machine I did some rework on, 1955 Monarch 13EE. I changed out the motor and inverter, it was way under powered. Did a new control panel and changed around some hydraulics.

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... And somewhere around here I still have a photoshop of that lathe with a Dukes of Hazzard "01" on it. :D

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I saved a copy of it - that was pretty funny

Ryan

Wow nice job with lathe thats a beut !!! very nice!
Do you happen to have a build thread ??

Why is there so many motors inside casting ? Whats all going on inside there?
 

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Why is there so many motors inside casting ? Whats all going on inside there?

-I'm sure GK can give the details better, but as I understand it (which is a very vague understanding at best) that's a motor-generator assembly. Something like a 3-phase motor turns a DC generator which then powers a DC motor which actually turns the spindle.

And it's done that way as a speed control- by varying the voltage coming out of the generator, the speed can be varied at the drive motor. But by simultaneously varying the... current? Amperage? You can keep the HP up even at low speeds. So you get a huge range of infinitely variable speed (including the back gear, I think it's something like 30 to 4,000 rpm) but still have significant HP even at the lowest speeds.

Using a modern VFD can, to a degree, emulate that, but generally speaking you'll lose significant HP at the lower speeds- halve the RPM, you get half the HP. Quarter the RPM, you get a quarter the HP, etc. With the 10EE M/G drive, if it's a 3HP motor, you have 3HP at half the RPM, still close to 3HP at 1/4 the RPM, etc.

Again, very roughly speaking, and I probably have many details wrong, but that's basically the idea behind all that stuff in the base.

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OK I'll bite!

This is the last machine I did some rework on, 1955 Monarch 13EE. I changed out the motor and inverter, it was way under powered. Did a new control panel and changed around some hydraulics.

Steve
Man id love to own that sucker !!
is this your own machine??
 
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-I'm sure GK can give the details better, but as I understand it (which is a very vague understanding at best) that's a motor-generator assembly. Something like a 3-phase motor turns a DC generator which then powers a DC motor which actually turns the spindle.

And it's done that way as a speed control- by varying the voltage coming out of the generator, the speed can be varied at the drive motor. But by simultaneously varying the... current? Amperage? You can keep the HP up even at low speeds. So you get a huge range of infinitely variable speed (including the back gear, I think it's something like 30 to 4,000 rpm) but still have significant HP even at the lowest speeds.

Using a modern VFD can, to a degree, emulate that, but generally speaking you'll lose significant HP at the lower speeds- halve the RPM, you get half the HP. Quarter the RPM, you get a quarter the HP, etc. With the 10EE M/G drive, if it's a 3HP motor, you have 3HP at half the RPM, still close to 3HP at 1/4 the RPM, etc.

Again, very roughly speaking, and I probably have many details wrong, but that's basically the idea behind all that stuff in the base.

Doc.


makes alot of sense !
here i thought there was only mechanical variable speed back in the day.
 

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Man id love to own that sucker !!
is this your own machine??

Yes that is my shop, the lathe behind it is a Monarch Series 62 and my 10EE is to the right.

Regarding the 10EE and Ryan's gorgeous orange one, most came from the factory with DC spindle motors. Ryan's is a motor/generator also known as a Ward Leonard drive, in the mid 1950's an electronic drive was introduced that uses tubes and in the 1980's a solid state drive was supplied. My green 10EE had tubes originally but now has a solid state drive.

My 13EE originally had a DC drive as well, sadly it was long gone when found it.

Steve
 

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Very nice, I've spent many hours on a monarch about that same size. For a long time it was the smallest lathe in our shop.


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Wow nice job with lathe thats a beut !!! very nice!
Do you happen to have a build thread ??

Why is there so many motors inside casting ? Whats all going on inside there?

Doc and Steve have it right.

In this photo
motorgen02.jpg


The left side of the large motor on the bottom is an induction motor fed by 240 three-phase. On the same shaf is a DC generator (the right side of the bottom motor) and also a pulley driving the piggyback DC generator (top small motor). The large DC generator put s out around 200V or so DC, the smaller piggyback generator produces 115V DC.

The 200+VDC from the large generator goes to the DC spindle motor (larger motor in the base in photo below). The 115VDC is used to power the controls.

monarchheadstockendclean2.jpg



The speed of the spindle is varied through two ganged rheostats (above and to the right os the spindle motor). One takes the voltage to the spindle motor from 0 to 200+, then the other rheostat takes over and weakens the field of the spindle motor to allow it to spin faster. I think the top speed is 3000 rpm.

A similar version of this system was commonly used in elevators.

I appreciate all the positive comments, and also love looking at everyone's restored iron.

Ryan
 
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Yes that is my shop, the lathe behind it is a Monarch Series 62 and my 10EE is to the right.

Regarding the 10EE and Ryan's gorgeous orange one, most came from the factory with DC spindle motors. Ryan's is a motor/generator also known as a Ward Leonard drive, in the mid 1950's an electronic drive was introduced that uses tubes and in the 1980's a solid state drive was supplied. My green 10EE had tubes originally but now has a solid state drive.

My 13EE originally had a DC drive as well, sadly it was long gone when found it.

Steve

Some day I'd like to round out my capacity with additional Monarchs. Very nice set up you have.

Ryan
 
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i watch craigslist every day and i have not once seen a monarch lathe listed !

You guys are lucky dogs that own one!!!!!

ill have to keep dreaming
 

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Here are a few of mine.
 

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My photography skills and equipment are terrible, the garage is often a mess, and I focus more on mechanical repairs than paint but here's a couple of my current machines that I found pics of.

I dont have a before pic, but here's my lil Atlas shaper. I gave a nice fella $50 for a green, yellow, and rusty congealed lump of stuck iron resembling a shaper a few years ago when they were still selling in the high hundreds of $$$ and wanted a challenge. I had it down to the last nut/bolt one winter, turned a countershaft, acquired a couple pulleys, spent half a buck on a motor, carved a side cover out of diamond plate, rewired, then slathered on the black. I wish I had a before pic, it was TERRIBLE.


My 1952 Bridgeport sometime in the midst of repainting it from machinery dealer **** blue. I gave $250 for it back in 2011 in fairly decent but filthy condition. Other than a thorough cleaning and paint the only major work done thus far has been rewiring and shimming a gib. If I decide to keep it longer term I'll eventually scrape it in but I need to finish other projects first.


An old Kempsmith dividing head I painted to match the Bport, it was a freebie bc I needed to fab a few minor parts (sector arms and a handle IIRC).


My lil benchtop Buffalo camelback. I literally tripped over this half buried in a dirt floor farm shed. I had it all cleaned up then left it in a relative's basement a few years, pic from a few months ago after I brought it home with me.

 
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I did a bit of cleanup on my old Hobart stick/tig welder.

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Started in on my Clausing lathe as well a few weeks ago.
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The Quincy got a re-spray last summer.

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G1k and thieltech. You guys did awesome restos on your machines. Presently all my machine tools are still in storage because of my garage build. So no pictures for awhile.
 
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