The VISES of Garage Journal

[bagged89s10]

I love that! Actually.....I had some left over paint from getting my old 95 F250 restored after I had to almost go to the cardiac unit when a local dealer told me the price of a new one.

Nice truck as well. I work in automobile wholesale remarketing and the price of all new vehicles is insane. Buying a new truck is like getting a second mortgage.


~Veeps

 

[zkling]

Good evening gents.

I stumbled onto something at the scrap yard the other day that I thought was worth posting about.


I'm in the process of cleaning it up and doing a little repair. I have to say it made my day.

O damn, is that the 8"er, any major problems? Wow, even the jaws look good

 

[drivesitfar]

RAD: that is the best find of the year i'd have to say if it's a 800 Wilton 8 inch wide jaw vise. even if it is a 600 because it looks a lot better than some of the junk some sellers try to sell for big dollars.

nice find and agree that your day was made when you stepped on that vise.

JB: that is some truck and i'd really don't need a pick up, but i'd buy that one because it almost looks as nice as your knives. nice color on your vise too. BTW if that's your house you are a lucky man to own a brick home with a tile roof. I hope you are feeling better. thanks again for starting your knife thread in the fabrication section and if some of you haven't seen some of his knives you are missing something that is for certain. not to mention a few of the other members knife making skills.

cheers

 

[RADcustom]

zk Indeed it is the 8"er. It had a couple of broken feet on the base. Autopts happened to have a used one around from the vise he restored. The spindle has some endplay. Nothing a thrust washer won't solve.

Drives I was surprised at the condition it was in. It was a nice consolation since they didn't have what I was originally looking for. I scored a nice little steel table out of the same pile.

 

[balane]

My goodness, finding an 8" Wilton sitting in a puddle all forgotten about. It's beautiful too. Wow, I'm speechless.

The Yost turned out nice enough so I went ahead and spent the $110 to order the spindle and nut kit for it. Waiting on those to arrive now. This was another vise from the Renton pile and the 2nd one to be 100% frozen in place and completely immovable. I'm pretty sure a previous owner broke the nut in it attempting to free the action. it didn't work obviously. Other than that this turned out to be a very nice vise. It helped in my decision that I found a pair of nice jaws that fit in my parts bin.

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[Nuts]

I'd guess its only 1/2 there; that could be for clamping into a 2X4, and another piece would have a screw and pad for a large "bar clamp".

Don't know what it is, but it sure doesn't look like $40 plus $14 shipping....

Outlaw, that's a better guess than I had.

Exmaxima, happens a lot on FleaBay.

 

[Nuts]

I love that! Actually.....I had some left over paint from getting my old 95 F250 restored after I had to almost go to the cardiac unit when a local dealer told me the price of a new one.

Nice truck and with a matching vise. I'm reasonably jealous.


Nuts

 

[Nuts]

Anyone else have this problem? I'm starting to get a complexion.

 

[XCMTB83]

Worked on a Parker today, fit a set of new jaws, 17.55 degrees on this one. Every set is different. Got if figured out though. Just needs the top radius cut and jaws pinned down. This 954-1/2 is going to be a nice vise when I finish it.

Beautiful work. I am a toolroom machinist myself. If you don't mind please tell how you did the slot with the angled bottom. I have a couple of ideas but not sure what works the best for you.

 

[XCMTB83]

Good evening gents.

I stumbled onto something at the scrap yard the other day that I thought was worth posting about.

I'm in the process of cleaning it up and doing a little repair. I have to say it made my day.

Man you scored...I am still waiting for the obligatory "you ****" comment.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

CW, I did some looking and the only model in the 47X range I can find is the attached 474. There may be a 473 1/2 but I can't find anything

Cheers Sir I'm assuming the 473 1/2 just has smaller jaws then.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Beautiful work. I am a toolroom machinist myself. If you don't mind please tell how you did the slot with the angled bottom. [emoji106] I have a couple of ideas but not sure what works the best for you.

Somewhere on here he has put up a post showing how he does it.

EDIT: He shows them here

https://wiltonviseparts.wordpress.com/2013/11/23/building-the-chas-parker-jaws/

https://wiltonviseparts.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/chas-parker-fitting-round-2/

https://wiltonviseparts.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/chas-parker-jaws-fit-and-finish/

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Good evening gents.

I stumbled onto something at the scrap yard the other day that I thought was worth posting about.

I'm in the process of cleaning it up and doing a little repair. I have to say it made my day.

What repair did it need? Doesn't look to have done much work looking at those jaw serrations.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

My little pipe vice turned up today .....



It'd be fair to say it seems a bit bigger than it looked in the eBay pictures

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Nice can crusher
I have the 474. 4" version of that Parker in line to restore one day ?

 

[GarageNoob]

Hi guys - Im new here and would appreciate your advice.

Ive just acquired a Record #23 which ive given a little clean up to.

I would like to get some new jaws for her and I have been sent here by the great Kevin Scott who makes jaws for Wilton vices.

I am on a tight budget and would rather give my money to a forum artisan than to just buy them from a shop.

Can anybody point me in the right direction of someone who makes/has jaws for a Record #23?

Thank You

 

[CwazyWabbit]

I'm guessing it depends on where you are in the world, these are fairly cheap in the UK but no doubt expensive by the time they get shipped around the world http://www.tradetoolshop.com/irwin-...t-pair-jaws-screws-115mm-4-1-2in-23-vice.html

 

[GarageNoob]

I'm guessing it depends on where you are in the world, these are fairly cheap in the UK but no doubt expensive by the time they get shipped around the world http://www.tradetoolshop.com/irwin-...t-pair-jaws-screws-115mm-4-1-2in-23-vice.html

I am in the UK

But when i compare my vice to the one in the photo, they look rather different (screw size, overall shape, etc) - perhaps its because my vice is an old model/shape?

The additional problem would be removing the original screws - i dont have an impact driver or anything like that

 

[CwazyWabbit]

They use a generic photo in the adverts. I ordered the jaws for a Record 36 which don't look like their picture but they did send the right ones.

Whereabouts in the UK are you?

 

[CwazyWabbit]

I am in the UK

.....
The additional problem would be removing the original screws - i dont have an impact driver or anything like that

If you're anywhere close to me I'll remove them for you even if they are all chewed up if you drop by.

 

[drivesitfar]

CW: Garage Noob started a thread with this Record #23 and he has some amazing pictures. can you take a look at them and let him know what you might advise for the crack under the jaw. there is crack, but all the parts are still in place. i'm wondering if leaving the jaws on might help keep the cracked piece in place? here's his pictures and the thread.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288598

Garage Noob: good luck with the Record and welcome to our forum and the vise squad. also you might want to put your location in your profile so it shows up under your name when you are asking questions.

Rad: best of luck with the Wilton 800 and the weak point of those vises are their swivel bases and not sure if user error or a design flaw. you could always make a stand for it and have 360 access and eliminate the swivel base. also nice find on the steel table.

 

[KMScott]

Beautiful work. I am a toolroom machinist myself. If you don't mind please tell how you did the slot with the angled bottom. I have a couple of ideas but not sure what works the best for you.

It is all surface grinding after roughing out most of the material from the mill.
<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-NstmwfN/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-NstmwfN/0/M/Chas%20Parker%20first%20cuts%20%283%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

Then I create a model of the angles and cut the pocket out with a ball endmill using software that can cut in 3D, this way saves mistakes.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-95Q9Kqw/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-95Q9Kqw/0/M/Chas%20Parker%20first%20cuts%20%288%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

Then I finish up on the surface grinder, it is important to get the serrated faces square to the vise slide, this is done with side wheel grinding the large back angle using a sine vise. Must have experience in side wheel grinding and knowing how to dress the wheel correctly. Funny that I use a Wilton 7" sine vise, I bought it on e-bay new for $150 and just love it. This is the first important area to get right.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-P4PbNTt/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-P4PbNTt/0/M/Fitting%20the%20angle%20to%20square%20the%20serrated%20face%20%2810%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

Once this is done then it is fitting in the under cut faces with a sliding sine angle dresser to match the vise face. I use a 3" sine angle dresser and have to creep up on this dimension by checking the fits using small pin gages to measure the gaps. Eventually I get it.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-9HcFrkm/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-9HcFrkm/0/M/Fitting%20the%20angle%20to%20square%20the%20serrated%20face%20%284%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

It is time consuming to make these jaws, and make them fit right. I guess I do it to stray away from the everyday grind of drilling holes and cutting serrations. I hope this made sense for you XCMTB83, if you want to try your luck I would be happy to help. Not to many Toolmakers left in this country but plenty of CNC operators.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-C74FPJL/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-C74FPJL/0/S/Ians%204%20inch%20Parker%20%284%29-S.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

 

[GarageNoob]

If you're anywhere close to me I'll remove them for you even if they are all chewed up if you drop by.

Thank you for the offer - but I am in Derbyshire and have no car to transport it.

And thank you the link for the jaws

Garage Noob: good luck with the Record and welcome to our forum and the vise squad. also you might want to put your location in your profile so it shows up under your name when you are asking questions.

done - thanks

 

[bubinga]

I know a lot are not a big fan of the open leadscrew vise, But got this 4 1/2 "Craftsman vise for $5.00.
I am getting ready to paint the vise.
he said it needed "Oiled" but I was fooling with it yesterday, and it went easy one way, but not the other. I think the slide part was just sticky.
E clip on lead screw is missing.

Also shown is My 504 Columbian, I paid $50.00 for, and did a quick clean up and painting.

 

[FMC1959]

Nice that catalog page has my 22x as well. Any idea what year that catalog is from?

Sorry, I find these in various places on the web. Sometimes there is a date posted by the person (which can be right or a guess on their part) and sometimes there is no date mentioned as on this one.

There are a bunch of guys on here who are pretty good with historical data that can add and correct what I am going to say. The vises on this add look to be late 1800's to early 1900's.

The dominant Parker series being the Eclipse (2nd Gen being 95X & 97X) and the Superior (2nd Gen 80X & 82X) were introduced maybe mid to late 1920's and went till the company's demise in the 1950's?

The Eclipse (10X & 20X) and Superior (These were actually "X" series, stationary being 29X, 39X, 49X..etc & the swivel models were 229X, 239X...etc) Series preceding this, the 1st gen, started maybe around 1910? And went till the 2nd gen were introduced.

Parker started vises somewhere in the 1860's period and had oddball models, no real series when they started. Models like the No 1, No 2 the 0000 and a couple of others they introduced here & there.

My guess is what you see on the catalog page could have been among the earlier introductions to full series rather that just standalone models, maybe just after the Vulcan vises that were lettered.

I am currently working on a database with models, sizes, weights, and other features. Somewhere down the road I would like to get into collecting historical data on all these vises.

I hope this helps.

 

[leg17]

Not too many Toolmakers left in this country but plenty of CNC operators.
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You know that's right!

But seriously, it just means shop work is different. Lots of toolroom CNC guys are pretty sharp. But the work is different.

I can't do what they do and they can't do what I do.

 

[Lu-Max]

Junebuggy Awesome truck
RADcustom How much did you end up paying for the 8"? Also, you ****! ;-)

 

[colin39]

Ok CW i collected vise over weekend, the quick release has an issue, almost like the spring is broken, wont know more untill i strip it after work tomorrow.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

It may be something as simple as the end of the spring has snapped off. There are a couple of pictures of the underside of my fortis No12 a couple of pages back so you can see how it's supposed to look.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4801599&postcount=28731

 

[colin39]

It may be something as simple as the end of the spring has snapped off. There are a couple of pictures of the underside of my fortis No12 a couple of pages back so you can see how it's supposed to look.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4801599&postcount=28731

Looks like a rivet at the bottom of pic , where the spring attaches is this a removable rivet or a drill out?

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Fretters has dismantled his the other day so hopefully will chip in with the type of rivet.

 

[Fretters]

You'll just need to drill that flattened end off which you can see in CW's photo. That end of the rivet is flattened after insertion.

 

[topop101]

Drives

That Prentiss isn't unmarked and it is a 23. 6 inch jaws. But it has some serious issues. The slide is welded and the pin hole might be as well. The back of the slide is well beaten also.

All that being said , I think I still want it. Not sure why. I might just throw it on a shelf as a retirement project some day

 

[RADcustom]

Drives I thought about making it a pedestal vise but, I had a 506 Columbian that I had already drilled and tapped a top plate for. So, I decided to go with it and figure something else out for the Wilton.

LuMax $.30 per pound

 

[Fretters]

TP: If it's floating your boat, no reason not to get it as a project if the price is right.

LuMax $.30 per pound

You lucky, lucky b......


Colin: A couple of photo's of that spring assembly. As you can see, that rivet is pressed.

 

[Outlawmws]

RAD: you ****, you ****, you ****, you ****....

 

[XCMTB83]

XCMT: you ****, you ****, you ****, you ****....

Unfortunately I was only replying to the OP who scored the vise. I would be glad to take those "you *****" if it meant I had that big Wilton sitting in my shop!

 

[XCMTB83]

It is all surface grinding after roughing out most of the material from the mill.
<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-NstmwfN/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-NstmwfN/0/M/Chas%20Parker%20first%20cuts%20%283%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

Then I create a model of the angles and cut the pocket out with a ball endmill using software that can cut in 3D, this way saves mistakes.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-95Q9Kqw/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-95Q9Kqw/0/M/Chas%20Parker%20first%20cuts%20%288%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

Then I finish up on the surface grinder, it is important to get the serrated faces square to the vise slide, this is done with side wheel grinding the large back angle using a sine vise. Must have experience in side wheel grinding and knowing how to dress the wheel correctly. Funny that I use a Wilton 7" sine vise, I bought it on e-bay new for $150 and just love it. This is the first important area to get right.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-P4PbNTt/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-P4PbNTt/0/M/Fitting%20the%20angle%20to%20square%20the%20serrated%20face%20%2810%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

Once this is done then it is fitting in the under cut faces with a sliding sine angle dresser to match the vise face. I use a 3" sine angle dresser and have to creep up on this dimension by checking the fits using small pin gages to measure the gaps. Eventually I get it.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-9HcFrkm/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-9HcFrkm/0/M/Fitting%20the%20angle%20to%20square%20the%20serrated%20face%20%284%29-M.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

It is time consuming to make these jaws, and make them fit right. I guess I do it to stray away from the everyday grind of drilling holes and cutting serrations. I hope this made sense for you XCMTB83, if you want to try your luck I would be happy to help. Not to many Toolmakers left in this country but plenty of CNC operators.

<a href="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-C74FPJL/A" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"><img src="http://visejaws.smugmug.com/Jaw-Cutting/i-C74FPJL/0/S/Ians%204%20inch%20Parker%20%284%29-S.jpg" title="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug" alt="Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug"></a>

Very cool, thanks for sharing. I wasn't sure if you would show or not. I thought, "A magician never reveals his secret".

Does the dresser slide up on the ramp to obtain the angle? Do you move it by hand? I have only used angled dressers that are attached to the grinder.

 

[Junebuggy]

RAD: that is the best find of the year i'd have to say if it's a 800 Wilton 8 inch wide jaw vise. even if it is a 600 because it looks a lot better than some of the junk some sellers try to sell for big dollars.

nice find and agree that your day was made when you stepped on that vise.

JB: that is some truck and i'd really don't need a pick up, but i'd buy that one because it almost looks as nice as your knives. nice color on your vise too. BTW if that's your house you are a lucky man to own a brick home with a tile roof. I hope you are feeling better. thanks again for starting your knife thread in the fabrication section and if some of you haven't seen some of his knives you are missing something that is for certain. not to mention a few of the other members knife making skills.

cheers

Drives ~ I will be heading to Jewish Hospital in Denver for some treatment soon, nice bug called Beryllium in the lungs. Early years at Hanford I guess. I appreciate the kind words - we'll see how it goes but, the forge will be silent for awhile. Not sure about being lucky to own a big house...I'd rather have a condo and someone else mowing the big lawn!

 

[Outlawmws]

Unfortunately I was only replying to the OP who scored the vise. I would be glad to take those "you *****" if it meant I had that big Wilton sitting in my shop!

Oops! Fixed!