The VISES of Garage Journal

[KMScott]

Very cool, thanks for sharing. I wasn't sure if you would show or not. I thought, "A magician never reveals his secret".

Does the dresser slide up on the ramp to obtain the angle? Do you move it by hand? I have only used angled dressers that are attached to the grinder.

This stuff is no secret XCMTB83, wish I could train a apprentice but none close by. I am happy to share any method I use.
The angle dresser is made very precision, I made it twenty years ago, it is on a 3 inch sine, which means the two 1/2 pins are mounted on 3 inch centers then you can see my gage blocks stacked up to set the angle. The diamond holder is made to slide very precision like, so no chatter when slide across the wheel. I grab the 1/4:20 bolt to pull and push and the sine dresser is clamped to a precision angle plate.

 

[tedsters]

Good evening gents.

I stumbled onto something at the scrap yard the other day that I thought was worth posting about.

I'm in the process of cleaning it up and doing a little repair. I have to say it made my day.

i would have to say you earned a YOU **** AWARD dang nice looking vise too, i go to are local yard now and then and have yet not stumbled onto to one vise

 

[JeremyBurke]

....wish I could train a apprentice but none close by. I am happy to share any method I use......

I don't live close enough, but man do I wish I did. I would totally sign up for this. Wax on wax off, paint the fence and all that.

 

[topop101]

Drives ~ I will be heading to Jewish Hospital in Denver for some treatment soon, nice bug called Beryllium in the lungs. Early years at Hanford I guess. I appreciate the kind words - we'll see how it goes but, the forge will be silent for awhile. Not sure about being lucky to own a big house...I'd rather have a condo and someone else mowing the big lawn!

Not to be nosey Junebug, But what line of work did you do when you were in contact with Beryllium?

 

[Lu-Max]

KMScott, After seeing your work here on GJ I only wish I had learned of you prior to moving from CO. My dream is to have a mill and lathe in my 'new' shop someday, I would love to be able to learn from a master. I am working and scrounging to put the gear together, the "know-how" is the more difficult part to be certain. I did meet one master machinist since I moved here, but he is a curmudgeon of the highest order. He seems to have a reason to hate everyone along with many reasons to hate. If he were the only choice then I would choose to not learn. I will continue my search.

 

[oldldh]

Not to be nosey Junebug, But what line of work did you do when you were in contact with Beryllium?

I hope JB will be all right...

I've used chemicals to clean electronics parts in the Air Force that are known carcinogens, now, but I used them in the 60's and 70's, before the bad side was known, and I worry everyday about some of my exposure...

JB my prayers are with you...

 

[zoomieport]

Drives

That Prentiss isn't unmarked and it is a 23. 6 inch jaws. But it has some serious issues. The slide is welded and the pin hole might be as well. The back of the slide is well beaten also.

All that being said , I think I still want it. Not sure why. I might just throw it on a shelf as a retirement project some day

If it's got 6" jaws, it's a #22.
The #23 has 7" jaws and a significant weight gain...
It will be a nice project, either way!

Take Care!
ZOOM

 

[colin39]

TP: If it's floating your boat, no reason not to get it as a project if the price is right.



You lucky, lucky b......


Colin: A couple of photo's of that spring assembly. As you can see, that rivet is pressed.

Thanks buddy all stripped , reason it wouldnt rtn? It was full of rust n sh@$. Also someone has beaten the end of the slide so ive had to file that straight to get it apart.
Off to a friends beed blaster now .

 

[bubinga]

Off to a friends bead blaster now .

I have, or most friends have what ever I need "usually"
But thats something I don't have access to.
Would be nice to have. (or sand blaster)
Would be nice for this power hack-saw l just picked up.

Keep us posted on the vise.

 

[topop101]

If it's got 6" jaws, it's a #22.
The #23 has 7" jaws and a significant weight gain...
It will be a nice project, either way!

Take Care!
ZOOM

Thanks for the info ZOOMI've not seen the vise in person yet and just going off what the seller is putting out. I think I'm getting it today so I'll post up some pic's later if it wErks out

 

[topop101]

I hope JB will be all right...

I've used chemicals to clean electronics parts in the Air Force that are known carcinogens, now, but I used them in the 60's and 70's, before the bad side was known, and I worry everyday about some of my exposure...

JB my prayers are with you...

I know of these dangers as well. Having had tumors cut out of my neck and losing spit glandes and heart surgeries I'm just waiting for the next one. Back in 91 before the war , I was exposed to some bad stuff. And then while deployed again. Nothing any one can do now but live life. It's not like the VA cares.

So guys If you are sanding, grinding or painting mask up.

god bless

 

[joe.striper]

Junebuggy...good luck! Hope you're back at it soon.

 

[joe.striper]

Im friends with a congressman and he gets access into a lot of areas and he is a collector like us. Every time he sees something interesting he takes pics and forwards them to me. Here are some from yesterday. I yelled at him to get me model numbers next time. The big red one is 8 or 9 inches. I hope you think they are as interesting as I did.

 

[FMC1959]

That red one is a Hollands 28. According to our resident king of the big vises, Demoman who owns 28, that sucker is 327 lbs

You need to get that ASAP!

 

[FMC1959]

Drives ~ I will be heading to Jewish Hospital in Denver for some treatment soon, nice bug called Beryllium in the lungs. Early years at Hanford I guess. I appreciate the kind words - we'll see how it goes but, the forge will be silent for awhile. Not sure about being lucky to own a big house...I'd rather have a condo and someone else mowing the big lawn!

JB, nothing but the best of wishes with your upcoming treatment

 

[bubinga]

that one is Cool!

JB, I don't know you, But,
nothing but the best of wishes with your upcoming treatment, Also!

 

[wrenchguy]

Drives ~ I will be heading to Jewish Hospital in Denver for some treatment soon, nice bug called Beryllium in the lungs. Early years at Hanford I guess. I appreciate the kind words - we'll see how it goes but, the forge will be silent for awhile. Not sure about being lucky to own a big house...I'd rather have a condo and someone else mowing the big lawn!

hanford......good luck and prayers 4 u man.

 

[ChargerRT]

Hey guys first post here just picked up this little beauty for a song... more pictures to follow.
The vise is a 2 1/2" with the Wilton power arm (no markings I can find on it?)

 

[KMScott]

Drives ~ I will be heading to Jewish Hospital in Denver for some treatment soon, nice bug called Beryllium in the lungs. Early years at Hanford I guess. I appreciate the kind words - we'll see how it goes but, the forge will be silent for awhile. Not sure about being lucky to own a big house...I'd rather have a condo and someone else mowing the big lawn!

Junebuggy, prayers are with you, beryllium is not something to mess with, never leaves your body. Need a quiet place to visit and rest for a afternoon then I am only a hour away from National Jewish Health Center and would be happy to pick you up.

 

[KMScott]

KMScott, After seeing your work here on GJ I only wish I had learned of you prior to moving from CO. My dream is to have a mill and lathe in my 'new' shop someday, I would love to be able to learn from a master. I am working and scrounging to put the gear together, the "know-how" is the more difficult part to be certain. I did meet one master machinist since I moved here, but he is a curmudgeon of the highest order. He seems to have a reason to hate everyone along with many reasons to hate. If he were the only choice then I would choose to not learn. I will continue my search.

I have worked with Toolmakers like him. Seems my trade has many with large egos, kind of shaped me on how I deal with the ego type personalities, helped that I was a golden gloves fighter for 5 years. Life is to short. Keep looking, there is good out there.

 

[JeremyBurke]

Junebuggy I too am praying you get better.

As for you meeting up with rev. Scott. This needs to happen, schedules permitting. He has the makings of the great Garage Journal sitcom "Chips and Smitty" two great metal master and their many vices.

Admit it guys we would all watch that show.

 

[Lu-Max]

"Chips and Smitty" two great metal masters and their many vices.

Does anyone have a contact at Discovery Channel?

 

[va.grouseman]

Junebugg,---I'm praying for you man.---You get yourself straightened out, cause there are many many more masterpieces in those fingertips of yours that need to come to fruition.

 

[bagged89s10]

It is all surface grinding after roughing out most of the material from the mill.

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Then I create a model of the angles and cut the pocket out with a ball endmill using software that can cut in 3D, this way saves mistakes.



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Then I finish up on the surface grinder, it is important to get the serrated faces square to the vise slide, this is done with side wheel grinding the large back angle using a sine vise. Must have experience in side wheel grinding and knowing how to dress the wheel correctly. Funny that I use a Wilton 7" sine vise, I bought it on e-bay new for $150 and just love it. This is the first important area to get right.



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Once this is done then it is fitting in the under cut faces with a sliding sine angle dresser to match the vise face. I use a 3" sine angle dresser and have to creep up on this dimension by checking the fits using small pin gages to measure the gaps. Eventually I get it.



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It is time consuming to make these jaws, and make them fit right. I guess I do it to stray away from the everyday grind of drilling holes and cutting serrations. I hope this made sense for you XCMTB83, if you want to try your luck I would be happy to help. Not to many Toolmakers left in this country but plenty of CNC operators.



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That's beautiful work!
What do you use for pins on those vises?


~Veeps

 

[bagged89s10]

Sorry, I find these in various places on the web. Sometimes there is a date posted by the person (which can be right or a guess on their part) and sometimes there is no date mentioned as on this one.



There are a bunch of guys on here who are pretty good with historical data that can add and correct what I am going to say. The vises on this add look to be late 1800's to early 1900's.



The dominant Parker series being the Eclipse (2nd Gen being 95X & 97X) and the Superior (2nd Gen 80X & 82X) were introduced maybe mid to late 1920's and went till the company's demise in the 1950's?



The Eclipse (10X & 20X) and Superior (These were actually "X" series, stationary being 29X, 39X, 49X..etc & the swivel models were 229X, 239X...etc) Series preceding this, the 1st gen, started maybe around 1910? And went till the 2nd gen were introduced.



Parker started vises somewhere in the 1860's period and had oddball models, no real series when they started. Models like the No 1, No 2 the 0000 and a couple of others they introduced here & there.



My guess is what you see on the catalog page could have been among the earlier introductions to full series rather that just standalone models, maybe just after the Vulcan vises that were lettered.



I am currently working on a database with models, sizes, weights, and other features. Somewhere down the road I would like to get into collecting historical data on all these vises.



I hope this helps.

He late 1800s to early 1900s is where I was dating the 22x as well. Thanks.


~Veeps

 

[bagged89s10]

Drives ~ I will be heading to Jewish Hospital in Denver for some treatment soon, nice bug called Beryllium in the lungs. Early years at Hanford I guess. I appreciate the kind words - we'll see how it goes but, the forge will be silent for awhile. Not sure about being lucky to own a big house...I'd rather have a condo and someone else mowing the big lawn!

Oh man. Hope you the best.


~Veeps

 

[drivesitfar]

JB: so i sold my Honda power lawn mower and now I only have my 1940's Craftsman push mower to mow lawns. that said i'll bring it over to mow your lawn after you return from Denver. it might take a while so i'll bring few vises for you to play with while i'm mowing. best of luck and i hope the Dr. finds some treatment that sends you in a positive direction.

Best of luck and hope you are able to meet Kevin because you both speak the same language. i'm still on my ABC's, but always willing to learn more.

cheers

TP: it's probably a 22 because the Prentiss vises without the lettering on the sides has those #'s on top of the static that are hard to read. Like Zoomie says the #23 according to Dayids.org is 270 pounds and the #22 that i own is 165.

Zoomie: do you own a Prentiss #23 and is it really 270 like Dayids says?

Joe: always great to see yours or your friend's vise ****.

Charger: nice find on the Baby Bullet. if you can turn out the dynamic jaw all the way can you take a picture of the slide and post it so we can see the date? also that vise is a good candidate for Electrolysis and if you can't find the Homemade electrolysis thread just ask and i'll post it for you because it's pretty easy to use to get the rust off.

Colin: best of luck with the quick release and you have the best guys around helping you sort it out.

Jeremy: that would be a great show and i hope JuneBuggy is able to meet with Kevin.

KM: so you were working on different jaws in your GG days. very impressive and wondering when you ever sleep. or is that for the next life?

 

[drivesitfar]

Rad: i know it would be hard to kick a 6 inch Columbian off the stand so spray a coat of Fluid film on him and send him outside so you can make a stand for that 8 inch Wilton in the middle of your shop. quite a find indeed sir and happy to see you grabbed it instead of it melting down and becoming a few cheap imported vises.

to make your Columbian feel a bit better make a nice hat for him maybe out of an oil pan you can find at your next stop at the scrap yard.

 

[zoomieport]

Zoomie: do you own a Prentiss #23 and is it really 270 like Dayids says?

I had a #23, but I sold it to PHY6 a couple of years ago.
I'm not sure it's 270#'s, I never weighed it, but it looked a fair bit bigger than my Morgan #180 and I think that is in the 210#-220# range. There are pictures of the #23 on here somewhere...


Take Care!
ZOOM

 

[vintage nut]

I can't believe you found that giant wilton...
You ****!

you can never have too many tools

 

[shockwave]

Just picked up a Wilton 1765 tradesman snap on for 350 been looking for a 6 inch bullet for awoke but I think i think this will work out

 

[va.grouseman]

Drive,---The #23 of phy6 is posted on page 239, post 4761, and ads of the same are right below in post 4776.---And man it was a sweet one.

 

[BJ42LX]

Just picked up a Wilton 1765 tradesman snap on for 350 been looking for a 6 inch bullet for awoke but I think i think this will work out

That's my EDV. I was clamping some square tubing in it Sunday afternoon and the though crossed my mind now nice it is.

 

[bagged89s10]

Good evening gents.



I stumbled onto something at the scrap yard the other day that I thought was worth posting about.

I'm in the process of cleaning it up and doing a little repair. I have to say it made my day.

That's a you **** special. Unbelievable the stuff people scrap. Great find!


~Veeps

 

[bigcaddy]

I don't understand the fuss over Radcustoms find? It obviously just scrap metal. He should of thrown it back

 

[bigcaddy]

Junebuggy, prayers are with you, beryllium is not something to mess with, never leaves your body. Need a quiet place to visit and rest for a afternoon then I am only a hour away from National Jewish Health Center and would be happy to pick you up.

I would take up Mr. Scott's offer, Junebug. Not many people get to visit Mr. Scotts Holistic Mill Spa but i've heard its quite the experience.

Once you get changed into your diemakers apron, you can enjoy a relaxing stay next to one of the mills as it turns out complex Chas. Parker jaw inserts.

Next you move into the scent therapy room where you drift off to the smell of oil quenched tool steel and layout fluid.

I don't know if you are into the whole "holistic healing" junk listed above but i would imagine a visit with some like-minded individuals might to you some good, even if only for a short while.

 

[drivesitfar]

VA: thanks for the information. you probably find those easier looking from scratch than i do with the post # in hand. you are amazing. here's a few pictures of the Prentiss #23 and Zoomie sorry for your loss, but i'm sure you'll find a way to not be disappointed too much. The yellow Prentiss #23 was Zoomie's and is now Phy6's if he hasn't sold it. i had a few other pictures saved so posted those too.

TP: if it's a #23 you are hunting down might i suggest bringing a tractor with a bucket or a fork lift because even in halves it's a beast. good luck and even if it's welded it's good for parts if you can't make it a nice vise again. Here's the catalog page VA led me (us) to so it's with the vise now.

ALL: since i'm talking about Prentiss if any of you find a beat to **** big #4 or #5 i could use a vise nut and maybe the jaws to fix mine. i also need a vise nut for a Craftsman 5197 if one is around.

 

[Maui]

Does anybody have one of those vintage ads for Hollands vises? I've got a Hollands 32 that I'm trying to date, and can't find any info on it at all.

Maui

 

[zoomieport]

Zoomie sorry for your loss, but i'm sure you'll find a way to not be disappointed too much. The yellow Prentiss #23 was Zoomie's and is now Phy6's if he hasn't sold it. i had a few other pictures saved so posted those too.

I'm not dissapointed at all, I was thinning the herd and he is a heck of a nice guy, that bought a few from me that day (drove to Michigan from Virginia...) to restore some old IRON for his infant boys to have in thier shops when they grow up...

By the way, not sure if you looked closely at that add, but it lists the #23 at 207#'s. Looks like a typo in Dayids.

Takw Care!
ZOOM

 

[drivesitfar]

Zoomie: I did see that the #23 is only 207 pounds. i say only like that's a little thing don't i? any idea what the biggest vise is that Prentiss made? is it the #58?

thanks and maybe someday i'll have to make it to Michigan myself from the left coast to see the sea of Tetanus you keep posting small pictures of and while I'm in Michigan head to Detroit to see the Craftsman block king's garage too.

cheers