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xurusaibobx

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do they exist? i swear i saw a pair at AAPEX/SEMA a few years back either at EZ RED or gearwrench or some china/korean tool company.

21mm and up sizes in those extra long ratcheting flex head wrenches similar to EZRED/MATCO/GEARWRENCH

ive come across regular sized ratcheting wrenches in those sizes but all of them are from Europe anyone can recommend a brand?
 
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do they exist? i swear i saw a pair at AAPEX/SEMA a few years back either at EZ RED or gearwrench or some china/korean tool company.

21mm and up sizes in those extra long ratcheting flex head wrenches similar to EZRED/MATCO/GEARWRENCH

ive come across regular sized ratcheting wrenches in those sizes but all of them are from Europe anyone can recommend a brand?

i doubt you will fine them...as far as i know,they are going up to 19 or 21 mm :beer:
 

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I have a set of Matco flex head extra long ratcheting double box to 19 and a set of Blackhawk ratcheting combination wrenches from 20 to 32 skipping a couple sizes in a kit bag. The Blackhawk's are reversible and the Matco's are not, both carry a lifetime warranty.
 

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I have a set of Gearwrenches that go up to 25mm.

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I'm not aware of anyone making those sizes in extra long flex head ratcheting wrench versions. :dunno:

You can get Gearwrench XL Gearbox (fixed boxed end on one side, ratcheting boxed end on the other end) in sizes up to 25mm.

You can also get standard length ratcheting combination wrenches in reversible and flex head versions from Gearwrench up to 25mm.

Gearwrench does offer standard length ratcheting combination wrenches through 25mm without skipping, then 27, 30, 32, 34, 46, 41, 45, and 50mm.
 

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SK use to offer 21x22 and 24x27 in a set, they were non flex extra long but are no longer available, there might be some sets floating on ebay
 
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xurusaibobx

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SK use to offer 21x22 and 24x27 in a set, they were non flex extra long but are no longer available, there might be some sets floating on ebay

closest ive found online i actually ordered one 21x22 on amazon.
 

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The problem manufacturers have is that the ratcheting box wrench mechanism is only good for 150-200ftlbs at best. They typically don't like designing wrenches that will break before you achieve a reasonable removal torque for a fastener of that size. This is why manufacturers don't make 19mm sockets in 1/4" drive for example.

I'm sure someone in China will make a 24mm ratchet wrench, ignoring the fact that it wont be capable of removing or properly torquing an M16 screw (Gr8.8=160ftlbs, Gr10=230ftlbs, which is right at the edge of good makers' ratchet mechanism capability.).
 
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The problem manufacturers have is that the ratcheting box wrench mechanism is only good for 150-200ftlbs at best.

I'm sure someone in China will make a 24mm ratchet wrench, ignoring the fact that it wont be capable of removing or properly torquing an M16 screw (Gr8.8=160ftlbs, Gr10=230ftlbs, which is right at the edge of good makers' ratchet mechanism capability.).

The Gedore 7 R XL ratcheting wrenches are made in Germany and go up to 36mm. The 638mm long wrench must pass the relevant DIN standard. What makes you think the well proven UR20 ratcheting mechanism can't handle the torque ?

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The Gedore 7 R XL ratcheting wrenches are made in Germany and go up to 36mm. The 638mm long wrench must pass the relevant DIN standard. What makes you think the well proven UR20 ratcheting mechanism can't handle the torque ?
Gedore actually doesn't advertise what industry std their ratchet wrenches meet. If they met DIN 899/ISO 1711-1, that would be impressive indeed. But they are single pawl fine tooth ratchets.

As has been said many many times before, I think it's wise to not use these wrenches to break fasteners free. Use a proper box wrench. In smaller sizes, I think you can generally "get away" with breaking stuff free with your ratchet wrench. But the recommended tightening torque (let alone the actual reverse torque reqd) is SO high for large fasteners, no ratchet wrench, no matter how well made, can meet that requirement. And I think mnanufacturers generally feel that if a tool fits on a fastener, it should be strong enough to loosen that fastener, or tighten it to the std industry torque. Repeating myself, this is why we don't see 19mm 1/4" drive sockets. The 1/4" drive would shear off before the req'd torque was achieved.

Just so no one thinks I'm bashing Gedore, I got to read up on their ratchet wrenches. While I think Snap On (in the US anyway) offers better value for money (finer ratchet, very likely stronger due to dual pawl arrangement, option for flank drive plus open end, super long std pattern), the Gedore feature a very tight open end, very good quality steel, and what looks to be a very easy to repair ratchet mechanism. This last point is a serious selling point since some other wrenches, Snap On's high performance series for example, are not user serviceable.

So if you believe what I'm saying to be true (essentially, ratcheting box wrenches are inherently weak) one would be well served to get ratchet wrenches under a functionable warranty or with easily replaced guts.
 

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In the Stahlwille print catalogue there is a chart showing guaranteed torque figures plotted against the DIN requirement. So for example, their standard non-ratchet 16mm wrench is 650 Nm ring, a colossal figure, and 350 Nm open. This is well over the minimum standard which leads me to expect the Gedore ratchets might be slightly over.

I'll try emailing Gedore and ask them !

Spares are available for the 7R and 7 UR wrenches.

I was considering buying this stubby set. The price ex-tax is $69. Much cheaper than SO as far as I can tell.

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/wre..._spanner_set_reversible_5_pcs_i1836_53745.htm

The set of 5 non-reversing straight shorts are $54 USD

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/wre...ion_ratchet_spanner_set_5_pcs_i1836_53871.htm
 
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The Gedore online catalogue has a similar chart. Std fastener torques vs the torque their tools must meet. The latter numbers are a direct lift from the DIN 899; typically, roughly 2X the torque of a Grade 8 or 10 bolt. But the chart excludes the ratcheting box wrenches (ring spanners). And no catalog I could find referenced any specs for the ratcheting wrenches. Read into that what you want.

That Gedore stubby set is pretty nice. I have a few Snap On ratcheting stubbies and find them to be an excellent use of the technology. You crack it free and tighten it with some other tool. But to remove a screw in a tight location, the ratcheting stubbies are pretty handy. Only concern about this set is the sizes. That set includes 8,10,13,17, and 19. These are very typical of current VWs and other German and some European cars. But only the 8 and 10 will work on Japanese cars, and the Germans are moving to the ISO std where 17 becomes 16 or maybe 15, and 19 becomes 18mm. You can probably buy the others individually as you need them.

I also question the frequency you would need a 19mm stubby. The Snap On sets almost make more sense to me. They offer 8-14mm inclusive, then a bigger set 15-19. I have 8,10, and 13 that I bought on eBay. They are non reversible, 0 degree but they have very fine ratchet action and small box (ring) ends and open ends.

When I can I will add 12 and 14mm for Asian cars and probably stop there. Not sure why anyone needs 9 and 11mm.
 
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