I use PB Blaster dry film garage door lube on all bare metal on my vises. It made a huge difference on the swivel on my big Reed 206R without having to take it apart.
VISE REPAIR 101 all vise repairs, lubricants, sources for parts and the tricks to fix
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I use PB Blaster dry film garage door lube on all bare metal on my vises. It made a huge difference on the swivel on my big Reed 206R without having to take it apart.
CwazyWabbit
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DIF: The old catalogues are fascinating, I can quite happily browse them in the evening while the family watches the goggle box 
I think I have every issue of the B&H catalogue from 1923 to '71 and it is quite interesting to see new products that only last for one issue whilst others last throughout every issue. It's like watching product development in action
I think I have every issue of the B&H catalogue from 1923 to '71 and it is quite interesting to see new products that only last for one issue whilst others last throughout every issue. It's like watching product development in action
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bagged89s10
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Just got home from work and won some cash for a contest on one of our conference calls! 
So take 2 to get the rust off the rest of the threads with evapo-rust. Had an empty simply lemonade container which should do the trick. Yes it a rigged, setup but I'm going out to date night with the wife so nobody will be around to touch it by accident.
So take 2 to get the rust off the rest of the threads with evapo-rust. Had an empty simply lemonade container which should do the trick. Yes it a rigged, setup but I'm going out to date night with the wife so nobody will be around to touch it by accident.
dkroth
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So take 2 to get the rust off the rest of the threads with evapo-rust. Had an empty simply lemonade container which should do the trick. Yes it a rigged, setup but I'm going out to date night with the wife so nobody will be around to touch it by accident.
How about a piece of 1.5" or 2" PVC with an end cap?
bagged89s10
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That was actually my original thought but I didn't want to or have time to go buy anything right now.
bagged89s10
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Just got home from work and won some cash for a contest on one of our conference calls!
So take 2 to get the rust off the rest of the threads with evapo-rust. Had an empty simply lemonade container which should do the trick. Yes it a rigged, setup but I'm going out to date night with the wife so nobody will be around to touch it by accident.
This is about 21 hours later.
Seems much slower than electrolysis but the benefit of no electricity usage and the solution is reusable.
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drivesitfar
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Bagged: wouldn't a wire wheel work on one of your block grinders be a bit quicker and i'm guessing you will need to do that after the evaporust too?
I really love electrolysis! Here is a before and after following about a 3 day soak at low amperage. I goofed up and had the static in the solution right side up, so the void under the jaw still has rust due to it being filled with a gas bubble. It's back in the soup now (upside down this time) for another 24 hours, should be spotless when it comes out. The other nice thing is that except for some black crud at the bottom of the tub, the water was fairly clear and fully reusable, and the graphite sheets show little sign that they were even used. As long as I don't accidentally break them these two could last me for years.
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CwazyWabbit
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That Dawn is cleaning up lovely Lu, what size is it?
bagged89s10
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I did wire wheel it but it didn't get all the rust off. I'll wire wheel it after it sits a little longer. The evaporust is starting to get darker so I'm assuming it's working.
bagged89s10
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So after about 30 hours in evaporust and a quick wire wheel, the lead screw is clean and ready for lube. I actually had a quart of trans fluid sitting on my bench I put a light coat on the lead screw, washer and collar and assembled it. I'm glad I didn't paint the split nut collar as I like the look. It spins amazingly fast. I wonder if the trans will be too thin viscosity.
Yes I need to touch up the paint on the bottom right of the dynamic jaw. I forgot the washer, the lead screw went in too deep, and the end of the handle hit the paint a few times and scuffed the paint.
Oh well, that's what a artist's paintbrush is kept in the garage for. I know it's a vise, not a hot rod.
I also need to put some finger savers on it. What do I use?
Outlawmws
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I've had some heavy O-rings on my Parker's handle as finger savers for 25+ years now..
ssdave
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I have a couple of Wilton vises in need of parts/repair. I've searched this thread and can't find parts sources, so asking for any sources or help anybody can offer.
One is a rotating, dual jaw wood/pipe vise. It is missing the handle and the spindle nut/cap that the handle mounts through. I can't find the model number on it, or in an internet search. I can make a mount for the missing handle/nut out of a socket and a piece of pipe, but would prefer to find a correct fitting. And, no, I didn't make the makeshift wood thing on it!
The other has a wood handle, I would prefer to find the original aluminum pipe handle parts if I can find one.
Anybody have a source for parts or better ideas of how to make the parts?
Or model #'s for the vises?
Thanks,
dave
One is a rotating, dual jaw wood/pipe vise. It is missing the handle and the spindle nut/cap that the handle mounts through. I can't find the model number on it, or in an internet search. I can make a mount for the missing handle/nut out of a socket and a piece of pipe, but would prefer to find a correct fitting. And, no, I didn't make the makeshift wood thing on it!
The other has a wood handle, I would prefer to find the original aluminum pipe handle parts if I can find one.
Anybody have a source for parts or better ideas of how to make the parts?
Or model #'s for the vises?
Thanks,
dave
GETRIDAONE
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Bagged, Check out the last picture of ssdave's work bench. That jar with the orange lid is what your Evapo-Rust will look like after you use it for a while. It will still work but the piece will require cleaning the black deposit off. I buy the 5 gallon bucket and can put larger pieces in it.
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drivesitfar
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Dave: we have a few members that can make awesome handles for our old vises and Ritzblitz is one of them. look on the big vise thread over in general tools and he just posted one he made for a 190 pound Reed 4c vise.
most of us don't do much with the wood vises other than use them and not sure the Wilton wood vises didn't come with a wood handle originally. some of the steel handles are owner's fixes to their wood ones breaking.
make a few more posts and let us know if you figure out something for your vises or maybe another member will see your post and have a better answer than mine.
good luck and those are good vises you have there.
Lu: your E bath with graphite sheets did a great job. is your Dawn offset vise going to be painted or BLO?
Bagged: looks like you are going to need some sort of tank or bigger plastic containers for your evaporust work in the future. I think Jake has one set up in his shop for full time use and he just filters and refreshes it every now and then.
Jake: any chance you can post a few pictures of your Simple green and Evaporust set ups?
most of us don't do much with the wood vises other than use them and not sure the Wilton wood vises didn't come with a wood handle originally. some of the steel handles are owner's fixes to their wood ones breaking.
make a few more posts and let us know if you figure out something for your vises or maybe another member will see your post and have a better answer than mine.
good luck and those are good vises you have there.
Lu: your E bath with graphite sheets did a great job. is your Dawn offset vise going to be painted or BLO?
Bagged: looks like you are going to need some sort of tank or bigger plastic containers for your evaporust work in the future. I think Jake has one set up in his shop for full time use and he just filters and refreshes it every now and then.
Jake: any chance you can post a few pictures of your Simple green and Evaporust set ups?
CwazyWabbit
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Boiled linseed oil
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drivesitfar
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jakemac
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My "set-up" is really just a couple of plastic storage totes and 5 gallon buckets. There's nothing complicated about it. For small items, I'll use the plastic containers from ready-to-heat food from the market.
The filtering process is described in this post -
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4376433#post4376433
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drivesitfar
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Jake: thanks and i'll have to pick up some coffee filters the next time i see them sitting at a sale. I've got a metal solvent tank that is empty and since i don't clean a lot of greasy car parts i'm thinking about either filling it with simple green or evaporust. any thoughts on what either of those products might do to painted metal?
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trijeff
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Example Packaging Method: All of the materials were procured for free, just took a look in and next to the blue recycle dumpsters you can find behind stores. The wood is from a mini-pallet that was sitting next to the dumpsters. I even reused the screw-type nails that came from the pallet when I took it apart. It did take a little time to build but I know how UPS and other carriers "handle" packages so I wanted this to be bullet-proof. Just as an aside, if you put "fragile" or "this side up" type messages on your packages I have found that the carriers will typically handle those ones the roughest, it's almost like a game. Another tip is to take plenty of pictures during and after package construction for two reasons: (1) to show the person who accepts your package because they oftentimes want to know/see what's in the package prior to shipping and showing the pictures is easier than opening and ripping apart your packaging, and (2) so that you have evidence if they do damage/destroy your package/item and there is a dispute as to who's at fault - the default for the carriers is to blame it on insufficient packaging and unless you have evidence it's hard to prove otherwise.
I will edit this post with the final configuration (EDIT: added photos), but what you can't see is the additional double-wall card board box this will go into, and I am also going to fit some high-density styrofoam in just for good measure. Again, all of these materials were free and actually came from just one store's dumpsters. While this isn't where I found my materials, I have read that the best places to go are auto-body shops and liquor stores.
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GETRIDAONE
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Jeff, Did you get my PM I sent yesterday.
Thanks Drives, but I have a special paint job in mind for the Aussie vise.
One of my vises is in great condition with original paint, but it has a thick layer of dried on greasy dirt, crud, etc on it. What product would you recommend to remove this thick layer of crud while protecting and not damaging the original paint below? Thanks.
One of my vises is in great condition with original paint, but it has a thick layer of dried on greasy dirt, crud, etc on it. What product would you recommend to remove this thick layer of crud while protecting and not damaging the original paint below? Thanks.
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Hot soapy water, pressure washer if you can. Just make sure to blow dry to prevent flash rust.
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drivesitfar
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Lu: simple green on a rag works and after you get it clean soap and water and dry it off is a good idea because simple green will remove paint if left on some paint that isn't prepped or applied well.
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drivesitfar
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TJ: thanks for adding your shipping methods to this thread. not all shipping guys and companies are terrible. some shippers/sellers just put a nice vise or grinder or tool in a box without any concern for how it will arrive thinking that cardboard is enough of a cushion.
with the way you pack to ship the shipper has a much better chance of getting your buyer his vise as it was shipped.
here's how JasonEOC shipped his Reed 4C to me for another example of how to ship a 190 pound vise on a pallet via Fastenal. thanks again Jason
with the way you pack to ship the shipper has a much better chance of getting your buyer his vise as it was shipped.
here's how JasonEOC shipped his Reed 4C to me for another example of how to ship a 190 pound vise on a pallet via Fastenal. thanks again Jason
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drivesitfar
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Lu: it should work fine for clean up and maybe try it on a different tool before you try it on your vise you want to keep original. i have a new jug of it on a shelf in my shop and was going to try it too so let us know if you do and how it works.
Fretters
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I personally wouldn't. The best thing you can use for caked on grease/crud is paraffin/kerosene and either a cloth or a green nylon pan scourer, (if you want a bit more cleaning/scrubbing action than a cloth alone), coupled with some elbow grease. Paraffin/kerosene is not detrimental to the paint nor metal in any way or form either, so no problems with flash rusting, paint removal etc. You can also use white spirit/mineral spirit, but that's not quite as effective at cutting through grime as paraffin/kerosene, IMHO.
Fretters
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Muslin is another thing which is worthwhile collaring, if you come across any. That can be used for filtering, making useful cloth bags for certain tasks etc.
xxaler
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Shame this stuff from 1923 isn't still available ......
Not quite the same, but something I use often at work for resurfacing gasket faces on valves, flanges, casting imperfections, etc, is this stuff called "PC-11" metal epoxy.
I've re-coated and machined the insides of 300+ PSI steam pumps that run 24/7 at full capacity for months on end and haven't had one come back, in fact, ones that I've redone like that come back less often then brand new ones with fresh off the boat castings.
trijeff
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Hey Drives, no problem.
It's funny because some members can't believe I went this far and others don't think I went far enough. I would agree that not all shippers are **** - USPS and anybody that handles things on pallets has been great in my experience. With the pallets, there is only one way to pick them up and put them down, that helps a LOT with mishandling. But anything in a package handled by either UPS or FedEx has the significant chance of being thrown, rolled, placed on the wrong sides and just generally mistreated.
I've had friends who have worked in the sorting centers and have also seen the operations as part of my supply chain undergraduate. We've all seen the online videos where the drivers throw stuff over a fence, etc., so that's why I go the extra mile when it's too big to go USPS but too small for a pallet. Of course there is good people in UPS and FedEx that do handle things correctly, but all it takes is one person who is overworked / a jerk / lazy / careless or some other reason and then your package and it's contents are damaged or completely ruined. So now I just pack for the least common denominator when I send using one of those services.
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drivesitfar
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Fretters: i would never disagree with your methods, but just curious if you've ever used Simple Green or the Citrus cleaners we talk about? hoping all is well in your part of the world and thanks for posting your wisdom which is always appreciated.
TJ: Another great post and i agree on all points.
one of our members has his handle of PFTWHFTB which is abbreviations for Prepare For The Worst and Hope For The Best. by the way he is a great guy and member too in case you see any of his posts.
TJ: Another great post and i agree on all points.
one of our members has his handle of PFTWHFTB which is abbreviations for Prepare For The Worst and Hope For The Best. by the way he is a great guy and member too in case you see any of his posts.Fretters
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Never tried Simple Green, (is that citrus based too?), but I have tried citrus solvents in the past. Never took to them personally though. Can't remember exactly why offhand, as it's several years since I last tried one, but there was some reason I stopped using them, as I still have several small bottles of the stuff knocking about, unused, somewhere. They probably have their place and uses, but I've never found one which I couldn't achieve by other means.
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drivesitfar
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All: Zoomie posted a Kara's Electric vise last week and then Junebuggy posts his and i post a picture of my Kara that is 25 and graduating from ASU's online college with a 4 year degree while work part and mostly full time since she was 16. so Zoomie see's i'm liking a Kara's vise and offers to give it to my daughter. how nice is that??
another reason why i'm posting it on the 101 thread is a lot of vises get shipped via USPS in their flat rate boxes. this Kara vise is only about 8 pounds and a 2 inch jaw which is a lot smaller than i realized and Zoomie did an awesome job packing it for it's trip across the US.
he took the dynamic jaw out of the static and also the bolt with the washer that is needed to mount it on a bench and wrapped them all separately in bubble wrap. then Zoomie filled the box full of bubble wrap and with a nice tape job had Kara's vise on it's way to me. here's the packing job and the vise.
thanks again Zoomie
another reason why i'm posting it on the 101 thread is a lot of vises get shipped via USPS in their flat rate boxes. this Kara vise is only about 8 pounds and a 2 inch jaw which is a lot smaller than i realized and Zoomie did an awesome job packing it for it's trip across the US.
he took the dynamic jaw out of the static and also the bolt with the washer that is needed to mount it on a bench and wrapped them all separately in bubble wrap. then Zoomie filled the box full of bubble wrap and with a nice tape job had Kara's vise on it's way to me. here's the packing job and the vise.
thanks again Zoomie
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drivesitfar
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ALL: Zoomie's gift and Kara's vise continued...
thanks again Zoomie and another good example of how to ship vises and tools or anything that is heavier than a packing peanut.
thanks again Zoomie and another good example of how to ship vises and tools or anything that is heavier than a packing peanut.
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Fretters
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If ever one starts thinking that the human race is going to pot with wild abandon, it's gestures like that which have a tendency to restore faith in people. That's both a beautiful gesture/act on Zoomie's part, and a lovely item for your daughter. Hat's off to Zoomie.