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Detecto

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I only buy American, have had crappy luck with anything made in China.

I just want a decent tool line for home use, have no intentions of opening a shop.

Craftsman is out since they are imported now.

I can't afford nor justify the "big boy brands" like Snap On, Mac, etc.

So I'm left with..

Armstrong
SK
Masterforce (Menards USA tool line).

Or convince me to buy non-usa (kobalt, stanley, etc(.
 
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defektes

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SK, for someone like you the top notch warranty process is great.

Also do not forget about Proto, and Wright.
 

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Good choices, but don't be afraid to mix and match or cherry pick different brands such as euro screwdrivers and pliers. Also don't forget euro tools overall.

Unfortunately if you are used to old Craftsman prices it will be a bit of a jump to get into even the non truck brands.
 

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So it's American or Chinese? Those are your only options and nothing in between exists? (Sounds like a falacy, sir)

There's a middle ground in products like GearWrench.

If you want 1st world, try German, Canadian, Japanese, French, South African, and so on.
 

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I have a bunch of different brands in my box. I picked up most of them used, but I have Kobalt, SK, and Masterforce Sockets, and they're all good. Gearwrench is also a good brand.
 

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You have some good initial thoughts and received some good recommendations. As someone doing basically the same as you I'd add two things:

A. Look at Williams USA made tools - whether or not they are the same as Snapon, I've had really good luck.

B. Consider German, Spanish (Bahco), and Japanese for some tools - especially screwdrivers and maybe pliers. I like Wiha screwdrivers more than anything I've seen or handled - including the truck brands. Same with vessel screwdrivers from Japan. If you don't get channelock pliers you might look at Knipex (from what I've heard) and NWS.

I've been trying to prioritize dollars for the tools where quality makes the Biggest difference e.g. 3/8 inch ratchet. Been looking at going longer Snapon dual 80 for that but just haven't yet.

My experience mirrors yours as to Chinese tools. Started with some screwdrivers that are just about worthless. I've got a Chinese craftsman ratchet an universal socket set that is the worst tool I've ever used and really deserves just to be trashed. May be some good Chinese tools - just not for me.

Good luck in your hunt.
 

AndyCBR

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I only buy American, have had crappy luck with anything made in China.

I just want a decent tool line for home use, have no intentions of opening a shop.

Craftsman is out since they are imported now.

I can't afford nor justify the "big boy brands" like Snap On, Mac, etc.

So I'm left with..

Armstrong
SK
Masterforce (Menards USA tool line).

Or convince me to buy non-usa (kobalt, stanley, etc(.

A lot of guys swear by the Tekton brand. Many companies rebrand their tools.

Good value for the money.

You don't have to have one tool line. My most used tools (screwdrivers and ratchets) are Snap On but they are used often. My wrenches and sockets vary from Craftsman to Proto to SK. I have a lot of different pliers but mostly Channel Lock.

I wouldn't limit myself to one brand regardless of country of origin.
 

stikman56

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Simple, choose the tool you want, find it in whatever brand that has a good one, buy that. Repeat for each tool, set, etc. You don't need all one brand nor is that the most efficient way to go to fill a tool box. I believe no tool maker makes the best of every tool that they offer. I have many brands.
 

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Adam.C

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The price of decent US made tools like Proto is often comparable to or more than truck tools on special or second hand.

If you want good tools, but don't have crazy money to spend, look for all the tools mentioned above second hand. Add Snap On to your searches and see what you come up with. Check out my "must have tools" post below.
 

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Like other people mentioned, check out german and European brands. They are usually really good. And don't forget used snap on or mac.
 

PJNJ

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Armstrong, Proto, Wright, SK, Williams USA - all are very good and will work fine. You can often find NOS USA Allen, Kobalt, KD, Armstrong, Craftsman and Craftsman Pro (sockets, extensions, et al.) on Ebay for good to decent prices. Also reasonably priced used and NOS Snap On will come up but you have to be constantly on the lookout as they go quickly.

Gearwrench - I also have and they make good ratcheting wrenches, ratchets, sockets and extensions.

I have some Facom thin metric double open end wrenches made in Italy and they are very high quality.

I have one 14mm Mac Knuckle 2 Saver wrench and it is very nice - I would buy more but I only needed to replace a missing wrench and it was the right price.

Everyone has their favorites and it will be up to you to decide. Do your research, get some in hand and see what you like.
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I personally prefer Armstrong and all of my work wrenches and ratchets are that brand. Zoro will usually have good deals on the ratchets as well as Sears.com where you can use your points and coupons towards their purchase. For the money, you really can't go wrong with Channellock pliers. Most places, Lowes, Home Depot, Sears etc. are going to carry U.S. made screwdrivers, I've noticed that even some of the Dewalt ones are U.S. made as well. A lot of Klein, but not all, is U.S. made but like Armstrong, you'll be leaving Craftsman pricing behind and nearing Tool Truck cost. As far as COO, I have no issue with tools from Taiwan. It's not the same poor quality as the PRC and I've bought both Kobalt and Duralast sockets, pleased with their performance at home. Lifetime warranty on both brands hand tools. Also have several GearWrench ratchet wrenches and sockets made in Taiwan. Great tools as well in my opinion and well priced.
 

robyanhuz

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Gearwrench is also a good brand.
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Ridwaan Gallow

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I buy mainly Gedore and Stahlwille.. but i buy second hand only and i am based in RSA.. so my choices are either China or German.. we do have Snap On stockists but.. big BUT.. the prices are hefty my pal..

I like Gedore.. bit that is just my choice.. not one that i force others to follow..
 

Ridwaan Gallow

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I buy mainly Gedore and Stahlwille.. but i buy second hand only and i am based in RSA.. so my choices are either China or German.. we do have Snap On stockists but.. big BUT.. the prices are hefty my pal..

I like Gedore.. but that is just my choice.. not one that i force others to follow..
 

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The section on tools in the front of every Haynes auto repair manual is wise. Buy cheap when you need it. Buy sets when it truly benefits you. Not just "oooh, a deal!" Replace cheap with better when cheap fails to do what it needs to do.

An example My HF blind hole puller didn't do the job on a bearing race (it had done fine dozens of times. I ordered that size in OTC.

My snap-ring pliers and lock-ring pliers started as Craftsman. I now have Snap-On and Matco. This was because of tool wear, slippage and time wasted.

Other times, expanding what you have helps so you don't have to run around chasing tools. A spare breaker bar and 1/2" sockets for the trunk, duplicating some you have in the garage, certainly.

I like SK because I grew up using them and have had my own for nearly 20 years. They have been durable. I have Taiwan and China tools, certainly.

Buy when you need something and buy what suits your budget. If you buy 100 items cheaply, and upgrade 15 to higher-priced later, you are money-ahead than if you bought all 100 at a higher price point originally. This is an economics thing; spend over time, instead of at the beginning.

There's so much more to product selection than buying based on brand. Learn what screwdriver handles you prefer to use, what ratchet handles work best for you etc.

Since you're asking questions instead of outlining what you need to use them for, start with a mega set in a Kobalt or Stanley that get you started and supplement from there based on need, preference and budget. There's no one brand solution, but as a starting point, that's a reasonable thing to do.
 

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Or perhaps the journal (some of us with more tools than we could ever use) could help some of these young folks out by starting something like a "pay it forward" thread or something, but I bet only a couple folks would participate.
 

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Had over 30 years worth of tools stolen several months ago, a good deal of it was old craftsman and others. I'd have bought second hand except for the necessity ft or receipts for insurance purposes.

For combination wrenches and sockets, I went SK. I've learned to complete a job without busting knuckles over the years and I won't forgo the benefit of that education just to save a few bucks and risk splitting a socket. Mayne the Taiwan stuff is a lot beyter than it was in the 80s, but ast experience can be hard to forhet. I've supplemented those purchases with NOS Craftsman ratcheting combination wrenches off eBay and a few odds and ends out of the classified ads here. A great place to get decent US made stuff is Crime Distributing, they still have US made Cobalt stuff, and lots of must-haves priced very reasonably.
 

PJNJ

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Had over 30 years worth of tools stolen several months ago, a good deal of it was old craftsman and others. I'd have bought second hand except for the necessity ft or receipts for insurance purposes.

For combination wrenches and sockets, I went SK. I've learned to complete a job without busting knuckles over the years and I won't forgo the benefit of that education just to save a few bucks and risk splitting a socket. Mayne the Taiwan stuff is a lot beyter than it was in the 80s, but ast experience can be hard to forhet. I've supplemented those purchases with NOS Craftsman ratcheting combination wrenches off eBay and a few odds and ends out of the classified ads here. A great place to get decent US made stuff is Crime Distributing, they still have US made Cobalt stuff, and lots of must-haves priced very reasonably.

Good ideas but I think you mean "Cripe Distributing" not "Crime Distributing".
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Sometimes I hate my phone more than I hate spelling and grammatical errors, and I'm not about to go back and clean that up. If I ever meet the sick ******* who wrote this keyboard software, I am sure to go to jail!
 

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Most of my tools are Cman, as that's what I started with and continued to grow with. I've added some SO, Matco and other stuff too like Great Neck. Sometimes the weekend job requires a tool that can only be bought at an open store like O'Rielly's.

I wouldn't worry about any particular line, just buy what you need, what you want or what feels comfortable in your hand. New or used, but mostly important, what you can afford.
 

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It is my understanding MIT (the parent company) manufactures tools for several brands (Tekton, Gearwrench, etc.) with various countries of origin.

They seem to get good reviews here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266879

If I am mistaken please educate me and bring something useful to the discussion...

We have no affiliation with Gearwrench. They are an APEX tool group brand. TEKTON is our primary brand with MIT our company name.
 

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My only issue with cman is that if you break something, you never know where the replacement is going to come from. If you buy from SK, Armstrong, Proto, Williams, Snap On you can bet (at least for the foreseeable future) that it will be made in the USA.
 

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I'm like the OP, I'm a weekend warrier too. I made the decision a few years ago that I only wanted US made hand and impact tools. I used Cripe, Epstein, E-Bay, Amazon and have purchased from Snap-On's website. Don't rule out Snap-On, there are good deals to be had on E-Bay if you don't mind buying lightly used tools.

I didn't buy everything at once, it took time and I'm still buying tools. I buy as the need arises and when funds are available.
 
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