The VISES of Garage Journal

[drivesitfar]

Scott: i think the #20 is a 4.5 inch and the #21 is a 5 inch. if the static jaw isn't missing a hunk that is a nice vise if there are not any other issues.

bring it to Dad for father's day on condition he put it in the will for you if you have brothers.

cheers

 

[va.grouseman]

Bagged,---your Wilton clone looks like a rebranded Taskmaster.---So it would be a clone of a clone.



Now wouldn't it be a clone of a clone of a clone since Wilton is a clone of York?

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Top,---you sure got a point.

 

[Junebuggy]

Heavy Duty vise stand(s)......a $1000 apiece?............wow

http://stockton.craigslist.org/atq/5064740444.html

 

[pablo94sc]

My grandfather's vise that is now mine. Lots of very happy memories working in the basement with him and playing with this vise. Majestic. 10" shelf for reference.

 

[trijeff]

Yeah, June ... I wrote asking him if he added an extra zero by mistake

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[jakemac]

Jake: how the heck did you carry that out of the FM? or did they let you back your pick up to the table it sat on?

My local flea is set up so that you drive through the crowd to get to the parking lot, so driving up to the tables is no different. The owners are more concerned with collecting their table fees than they are about patron safety. The line for the porta-johns blocks the road.

 

[exmaxima1]

Xxmayima1,---here's one with the swivel pin.---They operate just like the Versa-Vise.---When you clamp on to something, the swivel locks with the internal cam mechanism.---Pretty good idea, but probably not meant for heavy duty work.
Nice score there.:thumbup

Yes indeed, very similar, except mine reads differently. Besides having no patent date on it mine reads:

"Rock Island Mfg Co
Ock Island Ill"

Yes, the city is missing the "R"!!!

 

[exmaxima1]

Ex: that is one very cool Rock Island vise and even cooler that ZK had the catalog page handy. hold on to that one because first one i know of, but VA or another member might know of another one.

Thanks. I hope it looks good when I get all the years of grime off it. As best as I can tell, this vise might be very early 1900's.

 

[topop101]

Heavy Duty vise stand(s)......a $1000 apiece?............wow

http://stockton.craigslist.org/atq/5064740444.html

Junebuggy A bit off topic but I know you make knives and I'm researching one for a widow . I attended a sale she was having of her late husbands things. Hanging in the garage was a bayonet . I asked what they wanted for it but she had no idea what it was. So I told her I'd find out the maker and the value for her. If you or anyone else has any info it would be a great help

 

[drivesitfar]

Top: can you edit or re post your pictures because they don't blow up to give the guys that might be able to help you see that old beauty.

Ex: i'd say early 1900's too. did ZK's catalog page have a date on it?

Jake: how do you like the Reed 3C and can you maybe understand why we like them so much?

 

[Junebuggy]

Junebuggy A bit off topic but I know you make knives and I'm researching one for a widow . I attended a sale she was having of her late husbands things. Hanging in the garage was a bayonet . I asked what they wanted for it but she had no idea what it was. So I told her I'd find out the maker and the value for her. If you or anyone else has any info it would be a great help

I have one similar to that but, I honestly can't say what the origin is. I do know they list a lot of bayonets on this page. Maybe you can find something there. Best of luck!

http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/bayonet_identification_guide.html#type

 

[Outlawmws]

Bagged,---your Wilton clone looks like a rebranded Taskmaster.---So it would be a clone of a clone.



Now wouldn't it be a clone of a clone of a clone since Wilton is a clone of York?

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Top,---you sure got a point.

I think Bugatti actually beat even York to the basic design...

 

[topop101]

I think Bugatti actually beat even York to the basic design...

Interesting. Do you know what year? York I believe was making them in 1934

 

[topop101]

I have one similar to that but, I honestly can't say what the origin is. I do know they list a lot of bayonets on this page. Maybe you can find something there. Best of luck!

http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/bayonet_identification_guide.html#type

I found it... Thanks. It's Austrian WWl. Value about 50-60 bucks if complete with sheath

 

[Junebuggy]

QUOTE=topop101;4926329]I found it... Thanks. It's Austrian WWll. Value about 50-60 bucks if complete with sheath[/QUOTE]

 

[jakemac]

Jake: how do you like the Reed 3C and can you maybe understand why we like them so much?

I haven't had the time to get into it yet. But, as our friend Fretters would say - I'm chuffed that it's sitting in my shop.

 

[sbosecker]

Scott: i think the #20 is a 4.5 inch and the #21 is a 5 inch. if the static jaw isn't missing a hunk that is a nice vise if there are not any other issues.

bring it to Dad for father's day on condition he put it in the will for you if you have brothers.

cheers

DrivesItFar,

Ha! We'll see.

One thing I've found while researching this Prentiss is that it appears to have a "Plunger Type" swivel lock.
A review of the literature seems to indicate that copious cussing usually accompanies attempting to use this feature.
So is the plunger a flawed design or what is the issue?
Whatever the issue is, can it be made useable?
Can anyone comment on the "Plunger Type" swivel lock?

Best regards,

Scott

 

[drivesitfar]

Scott: the plungers work great if oiled and the owner doesn't let them rust or sit in the same position too long. take a closer look at the static jaw on the one you posted the picture of because it looks like a hunk of the removable jaw is missing and maybe some of the cast.

here's what a #20 and #21 look like so you'll have a little better idea.

Jake:

 

[Outlawmws]

Interesting. Do you know what year? York I believe was them in 1934

So far the earliest reference I found for the B vise is 1936 when one was presented to an English racer. I'd be pretty sure they predated that considerably. Bugatti was formed I believe in 1905, and the owner often designed his own tooling to his specs and may have had a hand in the manufacturing (read casting). If he's casting engine blocks and the like, a vise body isn't a stretch...

 

[Nuts]

Haven't seen the Bugatti vise and legs to match on ebay lately, it was $6000 or so.
A mere pittance. VA???? Pretty lofty perch since you've been in the gotta have it mode..

Nuts

 

[RADcustom]

Did somebody mention the "B" word?

Here is a pic for reference.

 

[va.grouseman]

Originally posted by Outlawmws.

I think Bugatti actually beat even York to the basic design...
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So it's a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone .

 

[Outlawmws]

Originally posted by Outlawmws.

I think Bugatti actually beat even York to the basic design...
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So it's a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone .

 

[drivesitfar]

Rad: is that your Bugatti vice or did you just happen to have a picture saved of one? the more i see that vice the more i like it. the swivel underneath the bench is growing on me too.

so is the industrial one a clone or could it maybe be a trade school's vise they made?

Scott: sorry i posted the wrong Prentiss vises to show the pull pin, but you've probably seen them before. here's my #26 Prentiss Coachmaker's vise.

 

[balane]

You guys will be relieved to know that vises aren't the only thing to receive spray bombs. Not mine in any way but it's a Ford straight 200cid Mustang motor.

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[JeremyBurke]

At least they got the chain too. It was a little rusty.

 

[Nuts]

Ford Blue will make the Pony go faster... right?


Nuts

 

[Nuts]

Did somebody mention the "B" word?

Here is a pic for reference.

A right proper vise, no anvil anywhere in sight.
wonder what the knurled bolt down the center line does?
Is that the pivot lock?

Nuts

 

[Shiftless]

Regarding those highly coveted Bugatti vises:
I remember reading somewhere that there are old ones as well as new ones made from the original drawings. Anybody else know about this? is it possible to recognize original old ones from modern "reproductions"? What's the difference?
Like anything else, this difference probably means huge difference in collector resale value.

 

[RADcustom]

Drives It belongs to my father-in-law. His Father bought it new at the factory and brought it home. Maybe one day he will get tired of it.

Nuts The knurled knob is an oil hole and the small area towards on the end is an anvil surface.

Shift I have not seen one of the "reproductions" in person but, the tolerances on the original are incredibly tight. If they hold those tight on the fakes, I would expect the price to be very high on them also.

 

[vintage nut]

The modern ones are made in England. Factoring in exchange rate, you're looking at about 6 grand for a new reproduction as well.
I'd sooner make my own...

you can never have too many tools

 

[BBSkylark]

Nice stand Jb. So what are the measurments on a Parker 106-5?

Sorry haven't been back since last week. I measured it up and its a 5" Jaw.

 

[drivesitfar]

Rad: BTW it's been a few weeks since you posted your scrap yard find of the Wilton C3. have you got any updates or still thinking where that monster might fit in your garage? i picked up an old grinder's stand that one of my big old vises is going to set on which might be something that would work for your C3. i need to do some spiffing up on my stand because it had about 3 inches of old grinder's leftovers accumulating on it where it was sitting for 70 years.

 

[FMC1959]

DrivesItFar,

Ha! We'll see.

One thing I've found while researching this Prentiss is that it appears to have a "Plunger Type" swivel lock.
A review of the literature seems to indicate that copious cussing usually accompanies attempting to use this feature.
So is the plunger a flawed design or what is the issue?
Whatever the issue is, can it be made useable?
Can anyone comment on the "Plunger Type" swivel lock?

Best regards,

Scott

I can't comment on how well they work, never had a vise with one. What I have see in old ads, early 1900's and prior, they were brands like Blake, Lewis, Shepard, that Prentiss bought or acquired. I remember seeing many of the Lewis swivel (ads) with this plunger lock for the swivel.

Why Prentiss did not continue with them could be one of many possible business decisions, wise or not.

 

[va.grouseman]

I got to thinking Outlaw, (which I have to be very careful with, could blow a fuse), that they wouldn't be clones, but knockoffs.---If clones, they would all look like BUGATTI'S, and then I would defiantly have to go on E-bay and buy the INDUSTRIAL.

 

[exmaxima1]

i picked up an old grinder's stand that one of my big old vises is going to set on which might be something that would work for your C3.

How tall is that stand? Looks somewhat short for a vise stand...must have been a huge grinder!

 

[bigcaddy]

Heavy Duty vise stand(s)......a $1000 apiece?............wow

http://stockton.craigslist.org/atq/5064740444.html

That is his asking price but one stand does include a beat to hell, unmarked, possible Prentiss? 6" swivel jaw vise so there's that.

Those stands, in case everybody didn't notice, are the same huge RR stands that Demoman has in his shed. They almost always had an 8" vise on them but as i stated above, 1 has a 6" swivel jaw, possibly a Prentiss included for that 1000.00 No markings but the style is the signature. I requested a few photos of the vise but they weren't much help with identification.

 

[bluebolt]

How tall is that stand? Looks somewhat short for a vise stand...must have been a huge grinder!

It's not short when you have a 8" vise to put on it!

 

[Nuts]

Drives It belongs to my father-in-law. His Father bought it new at the factory and brought it home. Maybe one day he will get tired of it.

Nuts The knurled knob is an oil hole and the small area towards on the end is an anvil surface.

Shift I have not seen one of the "reproductions" in person but, the tolerances on the original are incredibly tight. If they hold those tight on the fakes, I would expect the price to be very high on them also.

That would be a highly coveted family heirloom.
Well at least for the guys in the family.

Nuts

 

[Shiftless]

That would be a highly coveted family heirloom.
Well at least for the guys in the family.

Nuts

A long time ago a fellow had a Buggati vise who wanted something in trade. I offered him a solid gold Rolex and he said no thank you. What's a better family heirloom...some shiny watch that you still have to wind up every few days, or a perhaps the best bench vise in the world?