balane
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I'm not certain what Brooks is so likely not.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Craptain
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Please tell me that is not Styrofoam[emoji33]5198 box up.
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Smokeshow69
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5198 box up.
Might not be a bad idea to ad a wood frame to the packaging?? I think that vise could break that foam pretty easily ??
bigcaddy
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HAHA, Pinchpoint thinks Minnesota needs another blizzard.
The guy that bought it is getting a free mess with his vise
The guy that bought it is getting a free mess with his vise
bagged89s10
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HAHA, Pinchpoint thinks Minnesota needs another blizzard.
The guy that bought it is getting a free mess with his vise
Haha. I used styrofoam a a month ago to ship a toolbox and I will never again use that stuff. I'm still finding little bits of styrofoam in my garage.
jakemac
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I'm more worried about the corrugated tissue paper he wrapped the styrofoam with.
If that package isn't being hand delivered, it's going to need much more support to survive being manhandled during shipping.
If that package isn't being hand delivered, it's going to need much more support to survive being manhandled during shipping.
TreePointer
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Yeah, I'm thinking if that box gets dropped, there's nothing to protect the vise after the foam compresses and/or breaks.
It might work, but it doesn't seem idiot proof to me. Count on idiots.
It might work, but it doesn't seem idiot proof to me. Count on idiots.
drivesitfar
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PP: bolt the base to a piece of plywood so one of the feet don't break off and i'd put plywood inside that box too like others say. some of the shipping guys i see dropping off packages won't be able to lift that 110 pound one you just made so don't count on it not dropping at least once.
even on the small vises 20 pounds and up i like to bolt them to a piece of plywood because i want the vise to show up at the door of the new owner in the same condition i sent it. nothing wrong with Styrofoam for packing after you have it secured. shipping in 2 pieces might have been my second choice and on a pallet my first but that's just me.
even on the small vises 20 pounds and up i like to bolt them to a piece of plywood because i want the vise to show up at the door of the new owner in the same condition i sent it. nothing wrong with Styrofoam for packing after you have it secured. shipping in 2 pieces might have been my second choice and on a pallet my first but that's just me.
CwazyWabbit
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After the damage done to Dans Parkinson I think bolting to a piece of wood is the sensible option
dutchgray
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Indeed, that one of mine was only small and light as well, having seen how the drivers treat packages I wouldn't risk a large vice like that, many of mine have turned up in shredded boxes.
joe.striper
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In my opinion the picture below is the only way to ship a vise. This is VA Grouseman's 5" Redseal. It was a pain due to being welded at the base. I bolt up with carriage bolts and then screw and build the frame. THEN it goes into a fedex golf club box (14×14×48) which I cut to the proper length. My vises arrive unscathed everytime.
There is nothing worse than losing a sale and getting a broken vise back.
There is nothing worse than losing a sale and getting a broken vise back.
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Fretters
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There is. End of the day, if the seller gets something back because it was damaged in transit due to crappy packaging, that's there own fault. A piece of rare, vintage or antique equipment being destroyed or damaged due to crappy packaging is just criminal and gutting all round.
dkroth
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What does it cost to ship a 50 or 70 lb box via FedEx Ground?
bigcaddy
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Its cheap insurance. I just watched my old man pack and ship a small Vulcan anvil in a USPS flat rate box with wood. All sides, top and bottom were lined with 1/8" plywood and braced with some blocking to ensure safe transit.
joe.striper
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It cost me 63 to ship 85 lbs from ma to va. Go to fedex, they have an estimator
bagged89s10
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For you guys shipping vises with wooden crate like packaging, how much weight to you estimate the packaging and wood is adding to the shipping weight?
joe.striper
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8-10 lbs. But I dont care!
bagged89s10
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drivesitfar
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Joe: did you get that big blacksmith vise out of your car yet??
Bagged & ALL: pick up an old scale in your travels so you can weigh the boxes before you ship them. yes the non digital ones and the old school ones that are flat. some of you selling the huge vises need to ship them on pallets.
Plywood is cheap compared to an unhappy customer or friend you were doing a favor for.
Bagged & ALL: pick up an old scale in your travels so you can weigh the boxes before you ship them. yes the non digital ones and the old school ones that are flat. some of you selling the huge vises need to ship them on pallets.
Plywood is cheap compared to an unhappy customer or friend you were doing a favor for.
bagged89s10
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Looks like the preferred packaging method for shipping a vise is a wooden base, lots of bubble wrap, wooden crate, then double corrugated cardboard.
My baby bullet came in yesterday and was hanging out of the box . I was pissed but luckily undmaged. Same thing with my vintage Emerson fan. Some people are clueless when it comes to shipping. I usually go overboard, but like everyone says, nothing worse than a broken item due to poor packaging.
PP: add some wood and avoid the possibility of the worst case scenario all together and continue to have happy customers.
My baby bullet came in yesterday and was hanging out of the box . I was pissed but luckily undmaged. Same thing with my vintage Emerson fan. Some people are clueless when it comes to shipping. I usually go overboard, but like everyone says, nothing worse than a broken item due to poor packaging.
PP: add some wood and avoid the possibility of the worst case scenario all together and continue to have happy customers.
joe.striper
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Yes it is out but it took three of us though. Oooooh do I have plans for this one!
bigcaddy
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It depends how much you use but the extra expense is negligible when compared to the possible loss of a rare/high dollar item being destroyed due to package handlers.
What price do you put on piece of mind?
My solution is just never sell a vise and ill never have that problem
Fretters
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My solution is just never sell a vise and ill never have that problem
I like that thinking.
bagged89s10
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It depends how much you use but the extra expense is negligible when compared to the possible loss of a rare/high dollar item being destroyed due to package handlers.
What price do you put on piece of mind?
My solution is just never sell a vise and ill never have that problem
I like that.
My thought is to only sell a vise if I can sell it for enough to make it worth selling. Like my reed, I like it too much to sell for what it is probably actually worth. It's so hard to let go.
Craptain
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I hope PinchPoint has not lost heart after all the comments about his packaging.
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va.grouseman
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I hear what all you fellows are saying and I concur.---My three biggest, (Reed 208R, and Hollands 28, and Yost 208), were all metal strapped to pallets.---7 of the 6 inchers were.---The rest were shipped in wooden boxes, even the Morgan 80.---Here's the irony.---I had a Reed 4C shipped from Pennsylvania in a wooden box that was very secure.---As you know a Reed 4C weighs about 165 lbs.---Box was busted and the slide was busted.---PinchPoint shipped me a 190 lb. Starrett combination, wrapped in styrofoam, clear plastic wrap, and double cardboard boxed.---Not a scratch on it.---Go figure.
trijeff
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I am hoping the same thing, Craptain. It looks like the packaging took some effort and time and so PP is to be commended there. But, unlike the good 'ol days around the time that 5198 was built, products and service are just a joke now and the concerns that members have posted here are totally valid (unfortunately!!). VA's examples do show that not every well packaged product makes it and not every styrofoamed package is destined to fail, but I gotta say all it takes is one mishandle along the way and a nearly irreplaceable item (such as a 5198) might be damaged beyond repair - in my experience one should hope for the best but pack for the absolute worst. Oh, and get insurance EVERY single time.
Here are some pointers regarding shipping from one of the distribution center workers herself, absolutely hilarious and, from my own experience and what I have heard from friends who have worked there, totally TRUE!!
5 Reasons Packages Get Destroyed
dontthrowmypackage.com/ - An entire website dedicated to the poor handling of packages by ALL of the major couriers
Here are some pointers regarding shipping from one of the distribution center workers herself, absolutely hilarious and, from my own experience and what I have heard from friends who have worked there, totally TRUE!!
5 Reasons Packages Get Destroyed
dontthrowmypackage.com/ - An entire website dedicated to the poor handling of packages by ALL of the major couriers
Always, always buy insurance. Wife sent a package overseas to a friend in Austrailia (not the first time either), and it went missing. Probably theft, who knows. It was tracked and checked in in Aussie and then nothing. In the end we got the shipping cost back and the standard $50 priority mail insurance. Lost hundreds though.
jreb10
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Once in a great while the Vise Fates smile on me. Today I picked up a 5 inch Hollands, fixed base, #15. It was only about 8 miles from me as well. The guy is moving to PA and didn't want to take it with him. It is in pretty good shape with nice jaws and very little play in the slide:
It matches up with my Hollands 14, its little brother. But it does dwarf it.
Considering it must weigh more than 70 pounds, I did real well at $50. I almost never hit the "$1 per pound" goal around here! The handle is really thick and beefy on this thing.
It matches up with my Hollands 14, its little brother. But it does dwarf it.
Considering it must weigh more than 70 pounds, I did real well at $50. I almost never hit the "$1 per pound" goal around here! The handle is really thick and beefy on this thing.
bagged89s10
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nh_yota
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Just picked up this bad boy for $75 today - does that mean I ****?
It's stamped 1-77 on the underside of the slide so I'm guessing that means it dates back to January 1977. As for as the model number, the sticker on it says Wilton 400 and the numbers 101157 / 101158 are stamped near the jaws. It has some rust as you can see but the jaws are in good shape and it works perfectly.
It's stamped 1-77 on the underside of the slide so I'm guessing that means it dates back to January 1977. As for as the model number, the sticker on it says Wilton 400 and the numbers 101157 / 101158 are stamped near the jaws. It has some rust as you can see but the jaws are in good shape and it works perfectly.
PinchPoint
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I have lived my life listening to all that know everything. I have made my way doing things my way. I add things I have learned from others to increase my ability's. Words are just that words. This package will compress and nor jolt the vise. It's in there better than any bolts you could muster. It's grabbed caressed and held into place from all areas. I have shipped an Emmert vise to Canada way up in Canada. In a huge box like this. Not a scratch. And those are brittle spineless things. The foam cushions the iron. The load is transferred to the boxes top if dropped. The side has two layers of double ply cardboard. The vise is stretch wrapped and is notched into the foam so it cant go right or left. And I know it will never go up and down. So now what did I do wrong except find this vise and you did not? Oh yes thanks a lot Larry. I was thinking of you when I was reading. Your a great wing man!
scooternut
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B100, You are the "Google Books King"I have looked through some Miller Falls catalogs & others but came up empty.
Though mine is just a 6 inch 113 ponder, thanks guys for sharing. Looking forward to learning more about Millers Falls Vise
rmalkow2
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Just picked up this bad boy for $75 today - does that mean I ****?
It's stamped 1-77 on the underside of the slide so I'm guessing that means it dates back to January 1977. As for as the model number, the sticker on it says Wilton 400 and the numbers 101157 / 101158 are stamped near the jaws. It has some rust as you can see but the jaws are in good shape and it works perfectly.
Well now that you jinxed yourself we may never know. Rules are you can't solicit for suckage. But I must say you sure got a very nice one there. Original looking paint, very little surface rust and it still has the finger savers. It looks like a little clean up and you have a very nice like new vise. Good price, good find.
Once in a great while the Vise Fates smile on me. Today I picked up a 5 inch Hollands, fixed base, #15. It was only about 8 miles from me as well. The guy is moving to PA and didn't want to take it with him. It is in pretty good shape with nice jaws and very little play in the slide:
It matches up with my Hollands 14, its little brother. But it does dwarf it.
Considering it must weigh more than 70 pounds, I did real well at $50. I almost never hit the "$1 per pound" goal around here! The handle is really thick and beefy on this thing.
Nice score. I'm working on a couple myself, I guess I can't stop myself. Though I have passed over a lot lately that are "too small"
JeremyBurke
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Did someone say Hollands 15. I have one of those.
Mine is the less Reed like 3 footed base instead of the 4 footed version like the one posted earlier.
It remains my main vise and I love it. Personally I think the 5 inch size vise is great for my smallish work area.
Mine is the less Reed like 3 footed base instead of the 4 footed version like the one posted earlier.
It remains my main vise and I love it. Personally I think the 5 inch size vise is great for my smallish work area.
balane - it is a small town outside Salem Oregon at Antique Powerland ,,,home of the Great Oregon Steam-up. There was a pretty good swap meet this past weekend. Heat was a beast but lots of things to see. To busy selling to get any pictures of the two big vises that were there. Hoping that someone else was there and has some to share. Anyone?
topop101
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5198 box up.
I sure hope that heavy dude makes it in the card board box.
topop101
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I agree 100% Joe I just posted how I ship vise's then see pp ship a vise like that in card board and foam.
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bigcaddy
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Did someone say Hollands 15. I have one of those.
Mine is the less Reed like 3 footed base instead of the 4 footed version like the one posted earlier.
It remains my main vise and I love it. Personally I think the 5 inch size vise is great for my smallish work area.
That's one Hollands I don't have. I've got a 13, 23, 14, 24, 44 and a half size somewhere in there but nothing over 4.5". They are somewhat rare here.