Fretters
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Should do. One with a parallel tip which is a snug fit in the widest part of that hole in the head should remove those easily enough. A Torx bit might even do it.
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Should do. One with a parallel tip which is a snug fit in the widest part of that hole in the head should remove those easily enough. A Torx bit might even do it.
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That should show how they work.
Hemi49
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Drives:.....It is a 5191....It is my first collector vise......The clutch head screw drivers are available on Amazon..... Ex You are correct on the proper name of the screws....Butterfly is kind of a slang name...When I was a young guy I used to encounter them on GM cars...
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vintage nut
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Well I got the one jaw mostly welded up when my auto dark helmet died.... Stupid thing went light and won't darken. Not even a real cheap one, lincoln electric...
Planning on replacing it with an old school flip down pipeliner hood, and a blue cobalt glass lens.
you can never have too many tools
Planning on replacing it with an old school flip down pipeliner hood, and a blue cobalt glass lens.
you can never have too many tools
Fretters
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Don't those things have a battery in them? You have checked the obvious, if so?
jreb10
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That is a dangerous way to fail. I would have thought they would be designed to fail dark to protect your eyes. But what do I know, I don't even own a welder.
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Originally posted by Drivesitfar.
VA: still cheaper to fly Balane out to see your chain gang which he might enjoy and then fly him home after he touches them and throws a new coat of oil on them.
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Drive,---you never have to oil solid gold.---Never looses it's shine.---Not even sure if the stuff oxidizes at all.---0 maintenance, I like that, but won't make good clampers.---Too soft.---I think you're right though, I'm going to fly the Midas Man out here and have him touch'em all.---Can you imagine a solid gold 208 Reed or a solid gold Hollands 28 or a solid gold Morgan 80.---Man wouldn't that be something.---Wouldn't work though, cause just as soon as word got out, here would come Uncle Sam and play that Eminent Domain card on me.---No more gold, no more vises either.---Just forget it Balane.---But I might just have you touch my little Baby Bullet, and then I'll dig a hole and bury it.---I'll always know where 84 grand is, give or take.
VA: still cheaper to fly Balane out to see your chain gang which he might enjoy and then fly him home after he touches them and throws a new coat of oil on them.
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Drive,---you never have to oil solid gold.---Never looses it's shine.---Not even sure if the stuff oxidizes at all.---0 maintenance, I like that, but won't make good clampers.---Too soft.---I think you're right though, I'm going to fly the Midas Man out here and have him touch'em all.---Can you imagine a solid gold 208 Reed or a solid gold Hollands 28 or a solid gold Morgan 80.---Man wouldn't that be something.---Wouldn't work though, cause just as soon as word got out, here would come Uncle Sam and play that Eminent Domain card on me.---No more gold, no more vises either.---Just forget it Balane.---But I might just have you touch my little Baby Bullet, and then I'll dig a hole and bury it.---I'll always know where 84 grand is, give or take.
A regular blade will work fine. We used to grind one down on the sidewalk when we needed to repair a guitar amp away from home, and it absolutely will work. But if the screws are really tight---like those rusty jaw screws might be---you should buy a clutch head tip and use a ratchet. Check the size first, as there are 2 or 3 size driver bits available.
I believe those type screws were an early attempt at "zero insertion force" screws to minimize slipping and improve productivity. Torx has clearly taken over that role.
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Nope, no battery. Solar powered, and they are charged by the light from the welding arc. It's not consistent when it fails. If I leave it somewhere dark for a while, then point it at the sun, it will darken for a bit, but then goes light and won't work again until it sits somewhere dark for a while. It appears that the sensor is gone. At least it still provides all the uv protection while light, it's just still really bright.
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
bagged89s10
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I was just sent these pics via text. Poor rock island 571 vise lost its base and had a hole drilled in her.
bigcaddy
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Thanks for the comments.
Both will be getting sold after I come back from vacation. I paid so little for these vises and they were good to practice on. I also learned how nicely engineered the Athol is. Are there any other vises out there with finer threads on the lead screw like on this Athol?
I think Athol was the only mfg. to use Buttress threads on a vise. Catalyze had a post on here years ago that explained the benefits of that particular thread style.
I agree with you on the over-engineered part as well. Athols are damn near bullet proof with tight tolerances but what did you expect from a precision tool company
bagged89s10
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Yeah exactly. Also look at how the handle is perfectly parallel to the bench when tightened without any shims.
Fretters
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American manufacturer.
A fairly common thread over here, used on most of the QR vices.It's literally the perfect thread for a vice, as it handles the directional load from the vice being tightened better than other thread forms.
I think you should clarify that as only "USA mfg of bench vises".
Many quick release vises, including Record (UK) and many wood vises use buttress threads. Even the Cardinal (USA) "Speed" drill press vises use them.
Fretters
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Clean the sensors and stick it under a fluorescent light for a few hours. See if that makes any difference.
Any chance you could put this in your signature field in your profile, to save it keep being added to quotes?
bagged89s10
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Clean the sensors and stick it under a fluorescent light for a few hours. See if that makes any difference.
Any chance you could put this in your signature field in your profile, to save it keep being added to quotes?
My miller auto darkening welding helmet recharges with uv light but I believe it has a rechargeable battery in it somewhere. Without a battery of some sort, where is the charge stored?
Fretters
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That's what I'm personally thinking too, but with never having personally seen an auto helmet in the flesh, didn't want to a argue the toss on a point I have no actual experience of.
Thanks for the pictures, nice vise. Good to see another Chicago 14. I added it to the date database.
bagged89s10
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So good thing having my home office in my garage. Here is my miller auto darkening helmet. 
Directions say the battery should last 5 years. I don't see how it can be replaced though. Maybe it's sealed and once it stops holding a charge they want you to replace the helmet.
Directions say the battery should last 5 years. I don't see how it can be replaced though. Maybe it's sealed and once it stops holding a charge they want you to replace the helmet.
Post the model number. It is probably one of the older ones that has a sealed battery/capacitor compartment. You will have to split the halves, solder on extension leads and then be able to use a button cell battery. I had to do this with my older miller AD.
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BCZ: not sure how you did the pictures off of EBay, but I've saved them and appreciate that you did that for me (us). i still can't remember what i was looking for when i found this Massey or Wilson Riley like CW says it might be.
CW: thanks for the catalog page and the cool pictures of the Massey or Wilson Riley you posted.
TOP: you might be right and if my Massey isn't rusted shut i'll have to check it out or even if it is i'll fix that soon. i'm even happier i own it.
VA:
Vintage: that might be one of the reasons I haven't started welding yet is the safety issues. i do like the idea of using the old school helmets though so let me (us) know what you think. also sounds like ZK might have a fix for your old one.
CW: thanks for the catalog page and the cool pictures of the Massey or Wilson Riley you posted.
TOP: you might be right and if my Massey isn't rusted shut i'll have to check it out or even if it is i'll fix that soon. i'm even happier i own it.
VA:
Vintage: that might be one of the reasons I haven't started welding yet is the safety issues. i do like the idea of using the old school helmets though so let me (us) know what you think. also sounds like ZK might have a fix for your old one.
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bagged89s10
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BCZ: not sure how you did the pictures off of EBay, but I've saved them and appreciate that you did that for me (us). i still can't remember what i was looking for when i found this Massey or Wilson Riley like CW says it might be.
CW: thanks for the catalog page and the cool pictures of the Massey or Wilson Riley you posted.
TOP: you might be right and if my Massey isn't rusted shut i'll have to check it out or even if it is i'll fix that soon. i'm even happier i own it.
VA:
Vintage: that might be one of the reasons I haven't started welding yet is the safety issues. i do like the idea of using the old school helmets though so let me (us) know what you think. also sounds like ZK might have a fix for your old one.
Good thing auto darkening helmets still have uv protection when they don't auto darken.
Craptain
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Pick up a tamperproof drive set from harbor fright. There is a bit that fits.
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That should show how they work.
I knew it !... The cam engages a "paw" into a "track" . Half turn should be all it takes.
topop101
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I have never had a reason to go into a HF store. Not sure this is one .
vintage nut
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When I said no battery, I should have said no replacable battery.
It's not even an old one! Its one of the current lincoln viking helmets, and only a couple years old. I tried cleaning the sensors, and let it charge for a while, and it didn't make any difference.
Even if I can make it work again, I still won't trust it, so I'm replacing it anyways.
you can never have too many tools
It's not even an old one! Its one of the current lincoln viking helmets, and only a couple years old. I tried cleaning the sensors, and let it charge for a while, and it didn't make any difference.
Even if I can make it work again, I still won't trust it, so I'm replacing it anyways.
you can never have too many tools
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Unfortunately I'm not sure I can move that line, as its my tapatalk signature. I just changed it to that rather than the normal "sent from my.... "
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
joe.striper
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Wow what a week. Picked up my Athol vise that George posted on here a few days ago. It..is...perfect. lots of original paint, swivels great. Then I offered my last $20 for the bench. The legs are 75 lbs of cast iron. But.. the best part was the light. Patent dates on the bottom. One reads 1883!!! I belive it is an O.C. White light!
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Top: funny you mention that about HF because one of their biggest stores is about 3 miles from my home. i stopped there for the first time about 3 months ago to pick up a weed burner for my propane tank and truly got the shakes when i entered the store and saw all the chrome. i found out salt kills weeds and i still haven't opened the new burner, but i might some day for some tough hard to get weeds. That bolt is cool and might work great on license plates and other things you don't want to come off easily.
Joe: well it's not a 1800's lamp thread, but i'm happy you posted yours because that is really cool looking. nice find. also want to send my (our) prayers to the owner of the blacksmith vise you were given if he really only has a couple months to live. i can't imagine being given an end date, but i know my clock is getting nearer to it's end.
your Massey is cool and looks a lot like a Prentiss.
Vintage: maybe put another one of your favorite quotes or saying if you have to put something there instead of it saying sent from TapaTalk. i like the one that says don't argue with an idiot because they will bring you down to their level where they have plenty of experience or something like that. cheers
Joe: well it's not a 1800's lamp thread, but i'm happy you posted yours because that is really cool looking. nice find. also want to send my (our) prayers to the owner of the blacksmith vise you were given if he really only has a couple months to live. i can't imagine being given an end date, but i know my clock is getting nearer to it's end.
your Massey is cool and looks a lot like a Prentiss.
Vintage: maybe put another one of your favorite quotes or saying if you have to put something there instead of it saying sent from TapaTalk. i like the one that says don't argue with an idiot because they will bring you down to their level where they have plenty of experience or something like that. cheers
A Parker 805 or 806 - I'd be interested, but 300 miles is just too far for me even if it's an 806.
381328443285 on fleaBay.
I emailed the seller for jaw measurements, haven't heard back yet. It's in Highland Indiana, practically a Chicago suburb.
And there's a catch. You have to take the workbench it's bolted to, too.
381328443285 on fleaBay.
I emailed the seller for jaw measurements, haven't heard back yet. It's in Highland Indiana, practically a Chicago suburb.
And there's a catch. You have to take the workbench it's bolted to, too.
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its in my back yard........can i help, let me know.
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4". I like the nickname!
bagged89s10
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American scale 4" vise for sale. I might go grab it.
Edit. I made a deal and I'm going to get it.
Edit. I made a deal and I'm going to get it.
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bagged89s10
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Can anyone make out the vise behind the lathe in this picture. I'm trying to get better pictures on it but this is all I have so far.
