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Is it possible to convert Brushed drill to brushless?

hautpot

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I have a system of cordless that are unfortunately brushed, I was wondering if it is easy to convert them to brushless motors? I Have a lot of good batteries that is why I am not switching over right now, but upgrading my existing set.
 
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ANYTHING is possible, but why would you go though such expense... (Tooling manufacturing, retrofitting...)
 

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Wait two years and there will be fewer good batteries. Then buy new stuff.
 

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I have a system of cordless that are unfortunately brushed, I was wondering if it is easy to convert them to brushless motors? I Have a lot of good batteries that is why I am not switching over right now, but upgrading my existing set.

to give a simple explanation, no - you cant for a couple reasons. firstly, a brushless motor in tools is actually an A/C motor, where your brushed motors are DC. also, brushless tools are powered digitally through programming in their electronics, where DC brushed tools can simply have a variable trigger with direct connections from battery to motor.. brushless motor arent simply "brushless" - its a complete and total redesign of an electric motor, and a big leap in technology.
 

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To give a simple explanation, no - you cant for a couple reasons. Firstly, a brushless motor in tools is actually an A/C motor, where your brushed motors are DC. Also, brushless tools are powered digitally through programming in their electronics, where DC brushed tools can simply have a variable trigger with direct connections from battery to motor. Brushless motor arent simply "brushless" - its a complete and total redesign of an electric motor, and a big leap in technology.

Don't you just hate someone who knows what he's talking about???:evil::lol:

(At least I got to correct his capitalization...:rocker::bounce::bowdown:)
 
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hautpot

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to give a simple explanation, no - you cant for a couple reasons. firstly, a brushless motor in tools is actually an A/C motor, where your brushed motors are DC. also, brushless tools are powered digitally through programming in their electronics, where DC brushed tools can simply have a variable trigger with direct connections from battery to motor.. brushless motor arent simply "brushless" - its a complete and total redesign of an electric motor, and a big leap in technology.

Thanks for the insight! I will give up on this venture.
 

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Why not just buy brushless bare tools keep the batteries and sell the brushed? And honestly it's not all that huge of a difference between the two anyway.
I've got M18 brush and brushless drills at work and besides the sound difference and a little more torque I don't notice that much of a difference to justify switching everything out.
 

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I'm waiting on the perpetual motion motor-less and battery-less models that use orbital energy.
Until then I have really nice extension cords.
 

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Can some one explain, when I look at the specs on each the brushless have lower RPM and less torque than the brushed.
 

Outlawmws

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DC motors generally have more torque than AC motors for a size. I used to have an AC electric eraser; someone less had a battery operated one and we coupled them together when someone claimed this. The DC version easily overpowered the AC unit and in fact could reverse the AC unit's direction after giving it a full speed head start.

So not an unexpected find on your part to me.
 

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Can some one explain, when I look at the specs on each the brushless have lower RPM and less torque than the brushed.

Because you're probably comparing the specs between a finely tuned quadrapole brushed motor made by a company with decades of experience in turning out the best in brushed motors, against their first attempt at a brushless product. Not that brushless technology is new, but it is, for the companies whose spec sheets you're likely reading. Now read the specs on a Festool drill. They'be been in the brushless game for a long time.

In Milwaukee's first attempt, they went for a negligible drop in RPM and torque, BUT with that, you get over 50% more runtime, and a much cooler running motor.

Brushless has the potential to smoke brushed in terms of technology, but that is no guarantee that a manufacturer hits a home run every time.

Here's an example of how game changing brushless can be to an industry. For years, it was assumed that you could only achieve a certain thrust to weight ratio in an electric plane. That ratio mandated planes that flew like, well, planes. Now introduce brushless, and you can get a thrust:weight ratio of greater than 1, and you've now got electric model planes that can stand on their tails, or fly straight up.

So the Milwaukee Fuel gen 1 didn't have more torque or speed than the brushed motor it replaced, but that brushed motor was the end of the line for brushed technology, and the new Fuel gen 2 specs are quite a bit higher.
 

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In a word---

NOPE!!!

Sure you can. All it takes is a brushless motor, a speed controller, and some machining skills to connect the motor to the gear box. Is it cost effective?

NOPE!!!
 
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