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iajonesy

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I have enough saved up to buy a good used lathe or mill and can't decide which would be more useful in my home shop. I was a machinist for 40 years and always wanted both machines at home, but now that the time has come to buy ONE machine I can't make up my mind.
I'm paying for my daughter's wedding next weekend and so money is a little tight right now.
Let's hear some of those astute opinions for you home shop machinists. Thanks.

Mike
 
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Depends on what type of work you intend to do. You were a machinist for 40 YEARS and you don't have a grasp on what type of machine you need? :headscrat:
 

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Mill of course. You can do more, and with a boring head you can turn some OD's. You can also hold some work in a collet and clamp a cutting tool in the vise to turn, preferably using power downfeed.
 

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Definitely a lathe.

No, wait.

Definitely a mill.

...or maybe a lathe.

Depends on what you want to make.
 

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Damn that is a tough question.

If you plan on getting both anyway, why not just wait for a smoking deal on one or the other to present itself and go from there. Maybe you will luck out and find both sitting next to each other like I did. I went to buy a lathe from Craigslist and when I showed up there was a mill sitting next to it with all the tooling. I bought both on the spot. (The owner died and they were clearing his estate)

Good deals always pop up if you are willing to wait for them. The trick is to have cash on hand when they do.

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Only you can know that. It all depends on what you do and what you make.

My first machine tool was a mill (technically a mill-drill) and it was several years alter before I finally got a lathe.

But right now, it seems like the majority of what I've been making for most of this year, has been on the lathe.

If you honestly can't decide, flip a coin. As trite as it sounds, whichever you choose, you will tend to lean towards jobs you can use it for.

But, whichever you don't choose first, plan to buy the other in short order. :)

Doc.
 

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Depends on what type of work you intend to do. You were a machinist for 40 YEARS and you don't have a grasp on what type of machine you need? :headscrat:

Was thinking the same thing. Out of my mini versions of the two I use the lathe more than the mill on project So I vote lathe.
 

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A lathe is the only machine that can reproduce itself ... get a lathe first.

30 year Journeyman machinist :thumbup:
 

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What did you run more of at work, lathes or mills? A couple of old timers I work with say every machinist is either a square head or round head.

I found a screaming deal on an Atlas bench top knee mill at a yard sale but it is a woefully limited machine. I don't own a lathe but I'd like to get one to learn advanced manual turning techniques. Opportunity, I guess
 

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I've been at it almost forty years too myself. That being said my first was an ACER E-Mill with a good DRO and power feed. Kurt vice, Yuasa Super Accudex super spacer / rotary table, a couple Criterion boring heads and bars. Iscar inserted milling cutters, and on and on. I can do much with what I've got.
 

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If you are interested in buying an older Bridgeport or something similar, it can be helpful to have a lathe to make parts etc during a rebuild, if that's what you have in mind.
 

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I bought my lathe first, why? Because I found what I wanted at a price I wanted to pay. Found a deal on my mill about 2 years later. I seem to use the lathe more often. Just my two cents worth. Keith
 

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It depends on your own interests. I went with a mill because it was an opportunity to buy a complete, working one cheap. I can do square work, and with a rotating table, I can also do round work (although not as easily as with a lathe). Myself, I'd vote for a mill, JMO.
 

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I have enough saved up to buy a good used lathe or mill and can't decide which would be more useful in my home shop. I was a machinist for 40 years and always wanted both machines at home, but now that the time has come to buy ONE machine I can't make up my mind.
I'm paying for my daughter's wedding next weekend and so money is a little tight right now.
Let's hear some of those astute opinions for you home shop machinists. Thanks.

Mike

If you can't decide then you can always get a Smithy 3 in 1:lol_hitti
 

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Most use a lathe more. A talented person can use a lathe for many things one would go to a mill for.
 

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A lathe is the only machine that can reproduce itself ... get a lathe first.

30 year Journeyman machinist :thumbup:

I've heard that said many times, but I've never heard of anyone actually reproducing thier lathe in this way.

As stated above, 3D printers have reproduced themselves. I've also seen them being used more and more to make small stuff that would normally be done on traditional machines.

I'm suprised we haven't hade a thread asking "Lathe, Mill, or 3D printer".

Chris
 
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I've heard that said many times, but I've never heard of anyone actually reproducing thier lathe in this way.

As stated above, 3D printers have reproduced themselves. I've also seen them being used more and more to make small stuff that would normally be done on traditional machines.

I'm suprised we haven't hade a thread asking "Lathe, Mill, or 3D printer".

Chris

It's an "urban legend" of old tooling. A lathe cannot reproduce itself. At the very least its not going to make the ways, the headstock or tailstock casting, or the chip trays. But there are many, many other components which would be heavily problematic AT BEST to reproduce.
 

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I have enough saved up to buy a good used lathe or mill and can't decide which would be more useful in my home shop. I was a machinist for 40 years and always wanted both machines at home, but now that the time has come to buy ONE machine I can't make up my mind.
I'm paying for my daughter's wedding next weekend and so money is a little tight right now.
Let's hear some of those astute opinions for you home shop machinists. Thanks.

Mike

Mike

Sit down and relax. Close your eyes and imagine that you have mounted the work piece, dialed it in, and are turning the hand wheels. What machine are you working with?

Purchase that machine first.

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Ohh ... forgot about that. But do they have the material down, so it's actually usable? What I mean is ... if I make a bracket would it be as strong as one that I made from steel or aluminum?


Watch this!

Race car teams are now using them to print parts for the car, because it is faster than machining and you can print stuff that would be impossible to make on a traditional machine.

Chris
 
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Ohh ... forgot about that. But do they have the material down, so it's actually usable? What I mean is ... if I make a bracket would it be as strong as one that I made from steel or aluminum?

They also print in metal now. Here is the first company making printed 1911 pistols.



Chris
 

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Bite the bullet and get both now. If you get one you will always need the other. Period. Enjoy them and be happy. :beer:
 

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Mazak makes a Lathe+Mill+SLS sytem. SLS = Selective Laser Sintering which is basically 3D printing with materials that require heat such as metal or PEEK.
 

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I started with a Smithy 3in1 and then moved up from there. With the combo machine I was able to get two machines at once, albeit small machines but for me it was perfect. I made a ton of parts and tooling on it all the while using it in my veedub machine shop boring cases and heads, reworking combustion chambers and lightening flywheels and such. Now that they have them with R8 quills you will already have tooling for when you get a bigger mill and still have a decent little lathe.
 

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I started with a lathe. I bought my mill about a year later. I probably use the lathe a tad more, but only just. A bridgeport type mill is far more versatile, especially if you don't already have a drill press.

If I could do it all over again, I'd get the mill first, but I wouldn't wait long to get the lathe.
 

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It's an "urban legend" of old tooling. A lathe cannot reproduce itself. At the very least its not going to make the ways, the headstock or tailstock casting, or the chip trays. But there are many, many other components which would be heavily problematic AT BEST to reproduce.

-It's not a 'legend', it's a concept.

The idea isn't that you take, say, a Southbend Heavy 10, and use it to produce another Southbend Heavy 10. It's the concept of it- the lathe is the simplest and most basic machine tool. Don't think "modern variable speed lathe with quickchange gearbox", think "primitive wood lathe".

If you had nothing but some very basic woodworking tools (knife, axe, saw, etc.) you could make a primitive wood lathe simply with two points and a bow. Using that "lathe", you can make more precise round parts- such as an actual spindle. Using that more precise lathe, you can make more and better parts- including, with work, actual threads for a leadscrew.

A primitive mill on the other hand, would first require the lathe.

Yes, the phrase is perhaps better said as "the lathe is the simplest machine that can be used to produce another version of itself", but that doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily. :)

And, if you want to argue about it, history shows the lathe came first- there were primitive bow lathes back in Egyptian times, whereas the first milling machine- developed, by the way, from a lathe headstock and shortened lathe bed- didn't make it's appearance 'til the early 1800s. :D

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Well, thanks for all the comments and food for thought. Believe me I have given this a lot of thought and I still am not sure which would give me more uses. I have very seriously thought about the Smithy products as well as buying both a mill and a lathe at the same time.
You have all made some very valid points and arguments for your favorites, now it's up to me to decide.
Thanks again for all the input and for not beating me up too badly.

Mike
 

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I bought my lathe first, why? Because I found what I wanted at a price I wanted to pay. Found a deal on my mill about 2 years later. I seem to use the lathe more often. Just my two cents worth. Keith

That's my story also! I was quite picky and I wanted a lathe and mill at a fair price that were in nice condition.
 

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I use a lathe far more than I use a mill, but that's just me. Others may be vise-versa.

That said, I need a lathe. Sold my other one when I bought the new place (needed the money and was out of stuff to sell).

Ideally, both is the best option.
 

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I think it really depends on what you're expecting to do in the shop. Both at work and at home I find that the lathe gets used regularly while the mill is used only occasionally.
 
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