Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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Sure thing, bro! 
What do you guys think about this box?
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It is NOT an opinion, it is a fact. You just can't seem to realize that. Based on some of your other posts on this forum, intelligent, fact based arguments don't seem to be your forte, so I doubt this will get us anywhere.
No one is saying that craftsman boxes aren't good. Just that this particular snap on box is better than the older craftsman boxes. That is just a fact which can be back up with empirical data.
And yes I have had the old craftsman boxes, 657s a 655, HF44, even industrial cabinet better than the snap on boxes in question. The build quality of the old craftsman boxes vs the late 80s snap on boxes is just not there, especially on the top chests.
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No, I think you refuse to believe that there ARE equals to Snap On. Again Snap On does not equal "the best of everything".
What empirical data do you have and why is this particular one better than a Craftsman?
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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There are equals to Snap On, they're known as Mac, Matco, Cornwell, etc. Craftsman is not one of them.
I do not, I am fully away there are equals and even better than snap on boxes. However, and I can't stress this enough.
YOUR CRAFTSMAN BOX IS NOT ONE OF THEM, especially compared to that specific KR657
How many KR657s have you owned? How about HF boxes? Matco? Mac? Cornwell? Vidmar? Lista? Waterloo?
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Once again, your opinion.
As previously stated, this is your opinion. Where's the real world, in use facts from you?
So why haven't you replaced your "inferior" Craftsman with these equivalent brands? Wouldn't you want the "best" of everything for your tools?
Once again, your opinion. Where's the facts, Jack?
Where's the facts, Jack? You made the statement about having the data, now back it up.
You do realize that Waterloo has made tool storage for just about everyone on your list, right? (Now you do.....I just told ya).
I will, but you need to do your part, again because I no longer have a craftsman box here.
Take a few drawers out of your craftsman box and take a picture of the inside wall of the box, where the drawer slide channels mount.
Take a picture of the overall drawer outside of the box. Then take a picture of the side of the drawer where the channel is welded.
Use a micrometer to measure the thickness of the drawer and body sheet metal.
Take a picture of the underside of the craftsman box top surface.
When you post these I will do the same for the snap on box in question.
Now, here is the big question; when you realize you are wrong, what will I get out of it? Will you finally admit it or will you still be in denial?
You do realize whom you are talking to right? Not to be arrogant, but again, just facts. I am probably one of if not the most knowledgeable person on this forum for ~60's-early 90's tool boxes.
What you seem not to understand is that waterloo made different spec boxes for different labels.
With that I'm done, either post up the criteria above or just stop.
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I'm talking to a guy who believes as his opinion (and nothing more than that)that a SO box is better...you put your pants on the same way I do, one leg at a time.
I'm very much aware what Waterloo does that, because in fact, I know two people that work there, and I've provided their contact information to others on this forum who needed parts information. You can look that up as part of your homework assignment.
You made the statement as a fact stating that SO boxes are better, so the onus is on you to prove that. I made a statement that he could get a Craftsman, have his needs met and have money in his pocket.
At the end of the day we'll still have our divergent opinions and life will go on. I suggest that we do just that
.dodge610
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I will agree that you are knowledgable about your boxes. But I for one have owned Snappy boxes Craftsman,HF,Waterloo,Matco,Mac,Remline.and Other various named boxes. And I will take the old craftsman over the new snppy or any other truck box hands down. In fact I am lookin at an older craftsman box now to replace one of my other truck boxes. No one makes as good of a box as they use too that is fact.
dodge610
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I'm talking to a guy who believes as his opinion (and nothing more than that)that a SO box is better...you put your pants on the same way I do, one leg at a time.
I'm very much aware what Waterloo does that, because in fact, I know two people that work there, and I've provided their contact information to others on this forum who needed parts information. You can look that up as part of your homework assignment.
You made the statement as a fact stating that SO boxes are better, so the onus is on you to prove that. I made a statement that he could get a Craftsman, have his needs met and have money in his pocket.
At the end of the day we'll still have our divergent opinions and life will go on. I suggest that we do just that
Here Here I will drink to that.
Mohawk Dave
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Damn! Trollin hard!!!!!!
oh yea, Poncho. You are wrong. And that's a FACT.
This thread is funny.
oh yea, Poncho. You are wrong. And that's a FACT.
This thread is funny.
Another Kool-Aid drinker. Where's your facts?
dodge610
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They tell me that Kool Aid is addictive and expensive too.
It seems to run rampant around this forum......
Here Here I will drink to that.
I'm not a drinker, but I'd agree. We all have our opinions, let's respect that and allow for differences.
Let's face it, we're not solving the world's problems here
.dodge610
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To that I will agree everybody has there opinion.
Mohawk Dave
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In my garage and experience.
Which along with $2.75 gets us all on the NYC subway. Opinions are like you know what, everyone's got 'em.
Bierisch
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He also keeps a quad in his bedroom?
You don't?
He has the mattress against the wall there, too. lmaoRXtacy
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You don't?
Probably as a result of trying to bring the quad into the bedroom
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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Your opinion is false, it's a fact that that particular Snap On box, and most any other one, are superior to your Craftsman. The materials, design, fit and finish are superior to your Craftsman box. You asked me why didn't I get rid of my Craftsman boxes? Why would I? They're great for what I need and I'm happy with them. But I'm also not delusional enough to believe they're the same or better than Snap On quality.
If they were, there would be a lot more Craftsman boxes in professional wrenching environments.
And for the last time, when an OP posts a question about a particular product, he's not asking to hear about how you like a cheaper alternative.
Your opinion is false, it's a fact that that particular Snap On box, and most any other one, are superior to your Craftsman. The materials, design, fit and finish are superior to your Craftsman box. You asked me why didn't I get rid of my Craftsman boxes? Why would I? They're great for what I need and I'm happy with them. But I'm also not delusional enough to believe they're the same or better than Snap On quality.
If they were, there would be a lot more Craftsman boxes in professional wrenching environments.
And for the last time, when an OP posts a question about a particular product, he's not asking to hear about how you like a cheaper alternative.
I thought we had made the olive branch on this one, but I guess not....
You keep stating your opinion, which like we all said gets you on the bus with $2.75 in this town. Of course they serve your needs, I told you that 20 posts ago.
You've also yet to prove that the SO box is better. You state that it is. Put your money where your mouth is. The burden of proof is on you.
You're also wrong about the CMan in professional wrenching shops. The shop I work in is a complete NYC block long and it's filled with Craftsman boxes end to end by some of the best mechanics in the business. There's every tool box brand under the sun there.
Some of the best guys are wrenching out of Craftsman tool boxes. I didn't know you could throw your voice and speak for the OP.
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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Let's see a picture of this shop with all the Craftsman boxes.
Sure, right after you give us the proof I've asked for. Plus, do you advocate posting other's photos of their property?
Your opinion is false, it's a fact that that particular Snap On box, and most any other one, are superior to your Craftsman. The materials, design, fit and finish are superior to your Craftsman box. You asked me why didn't I get rid of my Craftsman boxes? Why would I? They're great for what I need and I'm happy with them. But I'm also not delusional enough to believe they're the same or better than Snap On quality.
If they were, there would be a lot more Craftsman boxes in professional wrenching environments.
And for the last time, when an OP posts a question about a particular product, he's not asking to hear about how you like a cheaper alternative.
Facts are true or false, opinions are not facts. Care to share that Kool-Aid with the rest of us?
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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Yeah, I thought so.
I see. You thought it was the Kool-Aid that did it to you
.I gave you the criteria to further this endeavor. If you choose not to do that and remain ignorant, fine by me. This is a two way street.
But the thing is you choose to disbelieve those facts.
Fact: The KR657 is better built than any of the vintage craftsman boxes.
Again, how many KR657s have you owned?
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1950mercury
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Comparing a vintage craftsman box to a KR657 is like comparing a 79 trans am to a 71 hemi cuda convertible. The cuda wins hands down as does the KR657. I guess the cuda is more expensive because of the look aid