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Thomas, it was a pleasure to finally meet you, and Deacon thoroughly enjoyed "driving" your little small block Chevy II..........

Phill, what a treat it was to meet both you and Deacon. I'll never forget the first words he said as I met him. He pointed to my little Chevy II and said, "muscle car". That's my kind of guy alright!! He is mighty special, that's for sure. Check back with me next year at Stanton (Sept 16-17, 2016) and he might be big enough to try on my helmet. :D

I know you had to leave before the shoot outs, but to recap, I qualified and ran against a 1971 Buick GS. It was a 455 Buick vrs a 327 Chevy and the little Chevy II managed to carry the day and win the shoot out. The winning margin on one of the runs was .0034! But a win is a win. Nothing broke, the car shifted great and all of us had a marvelous time so I'd call that a successful weekend. Might try to get 1 more race in before I wrap it up for the year.

Looking back 10 years, one of the main reasons I bought the shop was to have a place to work on my cars and the Chevy II was the first project to come out of the shop. Yeah, buying and restoring the shop was a lot of work but still a good call. :thumbup:

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Just seeing this now. It may be answered but those are wrenches used for sanitary pipe, the old bevel seat fittings used in milk plants. When I was a young man, in the 50's, I was brought up in a milk plant and used them everyday. What memories they bring back to me.

Hello Saguenay Bill and thanks for the information. I think you are correct that those wrenches were used in a dairy application. Back in the 1950's there were still a few dairy farms around here so I suspect when one of them finally shut down, somehow that's when Mr Johnson got those wrenches.

I've sent you an email if you'd care to look in your inbox.

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BUMP! :wtf:

Hey - I go away for a 2 week Outback fund raising Trek (with 45 other cars) and this page drops to page 13 on GJ.... :shocking:

Can't have that. :willy_nil

Calling all missing Thomas'......

From a concerned Lyndon :dunno:
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Thanks for pulling us up from the 13 pit, Lyndon! Not a fun place to be, that's for sure. We've been sooo busy -- looking forward to sharing some stories to fill even more pages of this thread!

We've had some unexpected challenges - nothing ever comes at a good time. But, we're through it for now. Suffice it to say, we had the closing on our former home and we're now temporarily housed next to the 1930s Auto Shop (in the old house now labeled The Lodge at Timber Haven) until our permanent retirement home is built. One good thing is we're closer to our cars. The bad thing is our daily drivers are not garaged, yet...

Getting use to our new home,

Chris
 

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First of all congrats on selling your former home and being able to move forward with your P.R.H. you are two very deserving people who have given more than you will ever know. Even if the Restored 1930's Auto Shop is a few steps away and the Morton building is even further you could always park in one or the other if you have to have your cars under cover. :) Also please show some of the progress on the P.R.H. I'm sure I speak for others when I say we would love to see anything you two have in the works.
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Great news. Looking forward to seeing photos of the retirement home project. Perhaps we might even see some more photos of the TR4?

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Wow, brings back many memories of time lost...im new to the forum, any forum for that matter. But this is an amazing thread i stumbled upon in my quest for ideas of a future shop im planning on building in the near future. I saw that i think it was post 3811 you are using a plastic barrel for your diesel fuel dispensor. Love the idea...im concerned for your safety though im not too keen on the plastic. Where i work they forbid any use of plastic for any petroleum products, period. The static electricity causes big boom. Steel containers with ground straps attached to dissipate static. That being said...they do make stainless steel drums, which could be powder coated......i hear there might be guy thats particularly fond of cooked color. Im only on page 192, i had to come to the end of the thread to make this post hoping you see it. I see a jeep im your avatar and its killing me, its taking all i have not to skip ahead and find where that fits into the puzzle!
 

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Saw this posted on a porcelain sign board, I figured y'all would like it too.

"On my way Junking and I passed by this station built in 1927 and sold gas until 1990. Still owned by the family and restored by them. There's a motel that was attached also. Hope Yall enjoy the pics."
 

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.......... I saw that i think it was post 3811 you are using a plastic barrel for your diesel fuel dispensor. Love the idea...im concerned for your safety though im not too keen on the plastic. Where i work they forbid any use of plastic for any petroleum products, period. The static electricity causes big boom. Steel containers with ground straps attached to dissipate static.........

I see a jeep im your avatar and its killing me, its taking all i have not to skip ahead and find where that fits into the puzzle!

Greetings to you 72 Qcode and welcome to the group! The non-metal drum in question was originally used by the manufacturer for gasoline storage which is much more volatile than diesel fuel. Because of that I didn't think diesel fuel would be a problem but still your concerns are warranted. After reading your post I made a couple of phone calls to bulk fuel dispensers in our area to research the issue. They all said non-metal tanks with diesel fuel hasn't been an issue. Modern farm equipment all use plastic fuel tanks just like the ones in my Kubota mower and John Deere tractor and they don't use ground straps when refueling. Everyone agree it wouldn't hurt to use a ground strap but in their opinion it wasn't necessary.

As you read the thread you'll eventually meet Gus, my beloved 1948 Jeep truck and read about all of his adventures. I hope it's worth your wait. See you at the ATP!

Thank you again for the reminder about fuel storage/refueling safety procedures.

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BUMP! :wtf:

Hey - I go away for a 2 week Outback fund raising Trek (with 45 other cars) and this page drops to page 13 on GJ.... :shocking:

Can't have that. :willy_nil

Calling all missing Thomas'......

From a concerned Lyndon :dunno:
Back in civilized Sydney

What a great friend you are Lyndon. :thumbup: As Chris mentioned we have sold and closed on our old family home. That's kept me from posting here. It also meant that we had to move out which was an arduous task as you might imagine. That has kept me among other things, from finishing up posting on here about service work on Gus, but it's in the works, no worries.

Because several pieces of my wood shop equipment is 3 phase powered I needed to do some quick work with it before its removal. Most important was work on the fireplace mantel for the new house.

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As you might recall about 35 years ago I cut down a magnificent Walnut tree that had been struck by lightning. I slabbed out a piece of it for my future retirement home fireplace mantel.

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That slab, due to it's large size and weight, about 12' (3.6m) long, 14" (35.5cm) wide and 4.5" (11.4cm) thick, I needed to use...

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... a come-along to help lower it to the ground where I could safely handle it.

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Once it was down...

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... and placed on a 4 wheel dolly, 2 of us could then handle it. First off, using a hand circular saw, it was was roughly cut to length, about 6' (1.4m).

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The left over cut end will be used to make support brackets at a later date.

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The slab was then brought to my wood shop where I needed to process it before I moved out my 3 phase powered equipment. BTW, that square on top of the mantel slab...

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... was my great grandfathers. It's stored in his old tool chest filled with his old woodworking hand tools. It dates from the late 1800's. You might recall I used those tools 35 years ago in the construction of the fireplace mantel in our first house and will use them once more on the new mantel, channeling my Great-Grandfather all the while. :)

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I used the Delta 20" band saw...

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... to make a nice, square end cut.

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Then the Yates-American 16" jointer was used to flatten the sides and one surface prior to thickness planning it.

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With one flat surface it was then run through the Yates-American 18" thickness planer ...

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...multiple times to remove...

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...sawmill marks and...

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...plane it to the finished dimensional size. Having large, heavy cast iron equipment like this makes working with large, oversized wood a real pleasure, plus the results are extremely accurate. With that all completed...

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...the mantel slab is back in the lumber storage area waiting for me to tool the edges and apply an oil finish to it prior to its installation in the fireplace next year. The color and graining of that piece is phenomenal. It should be very striking once completed. With the mantel slab sized up, removal of the wood shop equipment could then begin, but that's for another post.

Chris and I both are looking forward to beginning construction on the house and settling in for the long haul in our little corner of The Center Of The Universe.

Thanks everyone for joining us on our journey together. :bounce:

Thomas
 

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That's a nice chunk of wood Thomas, and what could be better than machining a visually important part of you new house from a tree grown on your property, using some of your great-grandfather's tools?

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Thomas,
Am I understanding correctly?
You had 3-phase power at the old house and not in Mr Johnson's shop. How did you get 3-phase power in the residence? That is quite unusual in my experience.

That said there is a home on the next block to me that has 3-phase power to the garage. I understand it was used as a machine shop during WWII for war production, but it backs up to a commercial strip so the 3-phase power was almost at hand.

Of course, as you know, it is my profession that makes me ask.

Terry
 

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That gas station looks like one in Godley near DFW. Did you happen to see where it is?

Nice piece of wood there Thomas. I see some sapwood in it which can be problematic when finishing though. If you want to add more figure to it stain it with some ebony and completely cover it so it's black. After it dries sand it down to get the black off and it will show a bunch more figure and grain that it has now. That's how we used to take plain wood and turn it into something much nice with the stocks we made. It will really make it pop when you finish it.:thumbup: Try it on a small piece so you can get an idea of how well it works.:)
 

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Like Graham Parker said in "Weeping Statues",

"Lightning strikes at everyone
but only hits the very lucky"


Thomas, that was a very lucky lightning strike, and that is a beeeyoooteeful slab o'lumber!

Thanks for sharing!
 
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Thomas,
Am I understanding correctly?
You had 3-phase power at the old house and not in Mr Johnson's shop. How did you get 3-phase power in the residence? That is quite unusual in my experience.

That said there is a home on the next block to me that has 3-phase power to the garage. I understand it was used as a machine shop during WWII for war production, but it backs up to a commercial strip so the 3-phase power was almost at hand.

Of course, as you know, it is my profession that makes me ask.

Terry

Terry I was sure during one of your visits here we toured the wood shop at the old house. Yes, it is very unusual to have 3-phase power at a residence these days. Back in the 1970's Dad purchased some 3-phase equipment and simply requested our local power company supply him with 3-phase power and they did.



This is the power panel at the house with the conduit at the far left being the in-feed line. The tall center box is the 110V panel, to the right of it is the 3 phase contactors and on the far right is the 3-phase panel.

As such we had 3-phase 220V coming in which was adequate for all the machines except the planer and jointer.



Here's the motor data tag off the jointer. Note the 3-phase requirement as well as 440 volts. To turn 3-phase 220V into 3-phase 440V in the shop...



...we used Jefferson transformers on each leg of the 3-phase 220V line to step up the line voltage to 3-phase 440V. The output from that panel...



...was connected to two outlets mounted on the ceiling. The planer and jointer were the only machines requiring 440V so that's one reason they were positioned together. All-in-all it worked splendidly for 35 years

At the time I bought Mr Johnson's shop, I asked the local power company if they would supply that shop with 3-phase power but the cost to me to do so was extremely prohibitive which is why I don't have it out there. Pity. To power all the 3-phase machines at the new house I'm going to have a phase converter built. It's not ideal but it will work. I did remove that 440V sub-panel and it will be used in the new location.

Terry it was good to see you moving around so well at Indy. Before the replacement it was distressing to see you in such discomfort. Cheers.

Thomas
 
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Saw this posted on a porcelain sign board, I figured y'all would like it too.

"On my way Junking and I passed by this station built in 1927 and sold gas until 1990. Still owned by the family and restored by them. There's a motel that was attached also. Hope Yall enjoy the pics."

Many thanks noelalford for posting about the Petrified Wood Station. The pictures and the history behind them is very cool indeed. :thumbup: Could you tell us where it's located?

Thomas
 

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I love your equipment Thomas.

I always try to buy older, traditional tools, like my Coronet Major wood lathe which has a circular saw, planer as well and a load of clever attachments that I have not yet used.

My bandsaw and pillar drills are the same, old school, solid and accurate.

I could just sit in your wood shop and stare while you worked, there are few things as satisfying as using good, solid tools to do a job well.
 
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Terry I was sure during one of your visits here we toured the wood shop at the old house. Yes, it is very unusual to have 3-phase power at a residence these days. Back in the 1970's Dad purchased some 3-phase equipment and simply requested our local power company supply him with 3-phase power and they did.

Terry it was good to see you moving around so well at Indy. Before the replacement it was distressing to see you in such discomfort. Cheers.

Thomas

Thomas,
No I never made it to the old house. That is some impressive power you had there. You will miss it.

When I was in the Air Force we had some 400 Cycle (now called Hertz. I can't get used to that. Always reminds me of car rental.) equipment. That stuff was freaky powerful even at modest voltages. It was used to drive the radar antennae.

Thanks for your good wishes on the knee replacement. It is still getting better. The key is lots of good physical therapy. Now if I could only lose the twenty pounds I gained when I lost mobility last year. Easy on; very difficult off.

I hope to see you and Chris with one of your cars in Rosemont next month.
Terry
 

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charlief1, the person who took and posted those pictures did say it was in Texas so you're probably correct.
 

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Thomas, again you do outstanding work and are very detailed in your write ups, everything is turning out great. When you get to the point of installing the phase converter please post lots of info on how you design and build it. I have passed on a few pieces of equipment that were 220/440 and 3 phase because I don't have the available power currently.
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I last looked in on you two on page 420. Then, let you get ahead of me a little.
I've got 26 pages to catch up. I best get to gettin. This is an extraordinary read. Thank You.
 
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Moving Out Alllllll That Equipment!!!!!!!!!!

OK, since updates seem to be appreciated by everyone here (my thanks to all for posting in your interest) here's how the wood shop move went.

Due to some unfortunate circumstances we lost 7 days moving time. That put a real crimp in the time I had to move out all that equipment. I have some tremendous friends who stepped up to help out.

Moving the smaller machinery was straight forward enough. The real chore was the bulkier pieces like the 20" bandsaw, the planer, jointer along with the associated electrical power panel and the dust collection system. All of it had to be moved and moved without damaging it or the movers themselves!

The only practical way to move the jointer, (approximate weight is 2,150 lbs (975 kg) was to partially dismantle it and move it one piece at a time.

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Did I mention I have some tremendous friends helping out? This is one of the 2 table supports for the jointer being wheeled out. Note the towels to protect it.

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In the background you can see what's left of the jointer...

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...after it was taken apart. There was still some walnut sawdust remaining from jointing my new walnut mantel the week before, see post #8894. The remaining base piece was still a heavy chunk of cast iron weighing several hundred pounds. From this picture you can see how the motor is direct drive right to the cutter head.

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To move that last jointer base piece we put one end on a 4 wheel dolly and used the 2 wheel dolly to move and steer the other end.

Among some of the help I received moving was the loan of a forklift seen in the background and...

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...a heavy duty flat bed trailer. It was easy to load the trailer with the forklift. In the foreground are the 2 jointer table supports and in the background are the tables themselves. The trailer and forklift were driven multiple times the 1/2 mile to my barn at less than 5 miles per hour. At that slow a speed nothing shifted around and it was very stable.

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The forklift especially was a real back saver!!

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Up next was moving the planer. It couldn't really be dismantled very much, is was just a solid, heavy chunk of cast iron, close to 2,000 lbs (907 kg) worth. Using a Johnson Bar, the planer was leveraged up and placed on 2 X 6's and under those we used 3 pieces of 3" steel pipe to roll it out the door.

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Here it's balanced on a single pipe in the middle. By doing this we could pivot the machine very easily and turn the corner.

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Getting those 2 machines moved successfully and undamaged was a major accomplishment.

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With those gone we removed the remaining machines, equipment and ...

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...all the ducting for the dust collection system. The ducts were are marked for ease of reassembly next year.

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Then the cyclone, plenum and after-filter bags...

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...were removed.

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Lastly the 440V sub-panel was taken partially apart, note the access panels on the bottom of the transformers are removed in preparation to disconnect the wiring.

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And then that too was gone, leaving a large, empty room. Since I was under the gun and short on time I couldn't take nearly as many pictures as I would have liked but these give you a fairly good idea of what was involved. When all was said and done, no equipment was damaged, or even scratched for that matter nor were any of us hurt. That is a successful move!

More to come, I'm not done yet. Thanks again everyone for all your interest and posts. :)

Thomas
 

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Wow that was a big job.
By "reassembly next year" comment I take it your new house will have a wood shop when built on site of '30's garage?
 

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Since they're down for a while, this would be a good time to do what you like to do Thomas. Clean them and then powder coat.:thumbup: It's kinda your thing after all.:D
 

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Congratulations Zeke, you must have gotten one of the first ones printed. Way to go. I'm very confident you'll have fun reading it. ;)

Thomas
I finished the book today. Good read. No name dropping, just good ol' times in Beltsville.

If I wrote a book about the life and times in Long Beach in that same era, it would be impossible to not name drop. From Mickey Thompson (whom I once worked for) to Holman Moody Strope, many of the names of the day were here or just up the freeway. Musta been 5 major cam grinders within 15 miles like Clay Smith, Iskanderian, etc.

Antics? We all did them. The West Coast version was pretty much the same except we raced on the street 12 months a year. And then there was Mulholland Dr.

I've love to sit with Cary and shoot the ****.
 

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(Thomas, Sorry in advance for the Hijack)


I finished the book today. Good read. No name dropping, just good ol' times in Beltsville.

If I wrote a book about the life and times in Long Beach in that same era, it would be impossible to not name drop. From Mickey Thompson (whom I once worked for) to Holman Moody Strope, many of the names of the day were here or just up the freeway.

I've love to sit with Cary and shoot the ****.


Speaking of Mickey Thompson, if you liked that era of American hotrodding and racing you should pick up the December '15 Hot Rod magazine. Interesting story about Mickey, 1963 Corvettes, and the Chevy "Mystery Motor"
 
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I last looked in on you two on page 420. Then, let you get ahead of me a little.
I've got 26 pages to catch up. I best get to gettin. This is an extraordinary read. Thank You.

Stewed, see what happens if you leave for a while. Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying your visits here. It always seems to be something different.

Thomas

Wow that was a big job.
By "reassembly next year" comment I take it your new house will have a wood shop when built on site of '30's garage?

That's right, I'm planning on using the basement for the future wood shop. To get the machinery down there I'm designing a material lift to be incorporated in the garage to move equipment directly from the garage to the basement with no steps involved. In theory it should work really slick.....in theory. Check back with me in a year. :dunno:

Thomas

I finished the book today. Good read. No name dropping, just good ol' times in Beltsville.

If I wrote a book about the life and times in Long Beach in that same era, it would be impossible to not name drop. From Mickey Thompson (whom I once worked for) to Holman Moody Strope, many of the names of the day were here or just up the freeway. Musta been 5 major cam grinders within 15 miles like Clay Smith, Iskanderian, etc.

Antics? We all did them. The West Coast version was pretty much the same except we raced on the street 12 months a year. And then there was Mulholland Dr.

I've love to sit with Cary and shoot the ****.

Heck Zeke, I'd love to sit down and shoot the **** with you! That sounds much like how Jacob Bagnell describes working in his step-dad, Al Jerauld's speed shop in the 50's and 60's. Those very same guys and more would drop by Al's shop and Jacob has an unending supply of stories to tell about them. It's fascinating to me, growing up in the Mid-West and only reading about them. I'll check with Cary, maybe we can all get together during one of our visits out there. (did you read that Lou, visits as in plural?! Get the guest bedroom ready!) :D

Thanks for the heads up about the Micky Thompson online article. Here's the link:
http://www.hotrod.com/features/1509-mickey-thompson-z06-mystery-motor-stingray/

Thomas

jbmatth;5188556...... When you get to the point of installing the phase converter please post lots of info on how you design and build it......... Thanks said:
Will do JB. I've got some very talented electrical design engineers involved. These guys have been designing and building phase converters for many years now. They see this as a very straight forward project. The best part is they live and work only 30 miles away and they love the the old restored shop so they "get it". ;)

Thomas

Since they're down for a while, this would be a good time to do what you like to do Thomas. Clean them and then powder coat.:thumbup: It's kinda your thing after all.:D

Now how did you know that was the program for this winter Charlie? At least the cleaning and maintaining part is. Not too sure I'll be doing any powder coating on the wood working equipment though. There is another project underway involving my Miller Dial Arc cooling tower that will probably have some powder coating involved before it's all done. Stand by on that one.

Thomas
 
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The Lodge At Timber Haven

So we've been in the temporary home for a couple of weeks now. No middle-of-the-night sightings or strange sounds.....yet.
Our son-in-law has christened the old house "The Lodge At Timber Haven" - TLATH. Very fitting I'd say. Now, instead of it being old, weather worn and weary we can think of it as being chic with rustic charm and patina. :D

We're still outfitting it to our satisfaction. I know Mr Johnson lived here for over 60 years but he didn't have the electrical needs that most of us do today. I've been installing several extra grounded electrical outlets and circuits throughout the home as well as increasing the lighting. At least now we don't blow out half the house electrical systems when we turn on the microwave. :eek:

It is part of a dream come true to be now living on the property, next to the old shop. It's so much easier to just walk over to the shop or the barn when I need to. We plan on breaking ground on the new house next spring. In the meantime I'm doing some site work and still refining the blueprints.

Here's a look at the view from our front porch at The Lodge, looking from left to right.



That's Mr Johnson's mailbox on the far right by the oak tree...



...and in this picture the mail box is on the left. It's still in place at the top of the hill for over the last 70 years.





Right in the middle of the picture is the old shop sign and on the far right you can just see a little of the shop itself.



This shows how close the shop is. You can see it through the trees.

So now we're out here, that's half of it. Construction of the new house and moving in one last time will finally settle us down............for a while at least.

Thanks again everyone for all the support and interest.

Thomas
 
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It is very cool that you are now within a morning stroll of the Restored 1930's Auto Shop, we should all be so lucky. Any of your neighbors selling? LOL We all thought that we were just going to get a little story here and there after the first few pages of this thread as you'd introduced most of the progress. However, as time goes by we all realize that was just the beginning. Now that your are living in The LATH (I feel that has a better ring to it. ;)) we know there is no beginning or middle it is all just the continuing saga of the best story to ever hit the internet and we can all be a part of it. Eagerly awaiting future chapters from the most interesting couple alive.
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Yes, rlcsandiego. But those aren't just any run of the mill ruts! The ones in front of the 2-car garage will probably be there for quite some time. I'll probably be driving around them if I ever get to use the garage. The jury is still out if I'll be able to open my Taurus door once I get it inside. I can only hope because I hate scraping windows and it takes so long to warm up the car. In the other hand, shoveling snow to get out won't be fun either.

bazzateer - this is the house we will be in for life - at least that's the plan.

Chris
 
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