The VISES of Garage Journal

[Fretters]

Fretters: we can't keep them happy all the time nor they can't keep us happy all the time and all we can do is try and hope they like some of the things we do.

A truer word was ne'er spoken.

so now we know you bought a vise with big balls so it has to be US made.

Fretters
That is a great find and something that is going to be rare as well.

Cheers. I'll just be glad to be able to put a manufacturer to this one. Hopefully I might be able to find some mark when I strip it down, but it's looking pretty barren so far in that regard.

The jaws have had a fair beasting. Can't tell whether it originally had screwed inserts and they been broken off or damaged, or, (this is the one I'm leaning towards), whether someone has tried adapting it to take some at some point, and made a bit of a pigs ear of it.

I'm chuffed to have finally dropped on one of the proper cast iron stands/trolleys too. I'm thinking that's going to get the stove black when I make it, as will likely the vice itself. I've got some beeswax and graphite powder on order. Linseed Oil I already have, so just some turpentine to get and I'll be able to make a test concoction when I get the rest of the stuff here. Can't decide whether to get some carbon/charcoal to add to the mix. Still undecided whether to let the graphite alone see to the colouring, or whether to blacken it up slightly further with some charcoal/carbon. Then there's the matter of carbon type if I do. Bog standard carbon, or do I go for something like vine charcoal which apparently may add a slight hint of blue to the finish? Decisions, decisions.

 

[HCNDM]

Picked this one up on the dutch version of craigslist for 15 euro's / USD 16.50

Not great quality and the jaws are beat up but reversible and salvageable.

The only markings I have found are the words Stahl-Titan on the side. Guessing German (maybe Czech or polish). Maybe DDR as the finish quality isn't great.

Perhaps I'll find more after I have stripped the rust and four coats of paint.


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[Craptain]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-JUM...hash=item419f2d9181:g[emoji14]E4AAOSwA4dWM7gD


So what is it for?


Nuts

Looks like it is not a vise as we think of it, more like a cutting jig or clamp. Some product(s) is laid in the grooves (or dies?) and a blade cuts via the slot on the right. Dunno. Just an idea.

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[CRSINMICH]

HCNDM: Welcome to the vise thread. I was in Amsterdam this past summer and I would have paid 15 Euros for that vice. I'm sure I could have gotten it into my luggage somehow. I did manage to bring back a nice old chisel but that's another story. I think when you get it cleaned up you'll have a nice user vice. According to Google translate stahl means steel so I searched for Titan vices and I found this:

http://www.titan-us.com/products/SHOP EQUIPMENT/VISES.aspx

The vices shown don't look much like yours but some details are similar. Part number 22003 is a replacement slide that has similarities to yours. Vice #22010 looks like a stylized updated version. Also I noticed that the URL says Titan U.S.

It's not much information, but it might provide you with a starting point.

p.s. More pictures please.

 

[Rileysan]

For those in New England, here's a nice looking Craftsman 5162 on eBay - local pickup only. Right now it's at $30.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-M...280752?hash=item419f49aff0:g:dw8AAOSw5VFWNlik

Brian

 

[HCNDM]

CRSINMICH: The US Titan vises certainly share some similarities.

That said all the nuts and bolts on mine are metric reather than inches. Decided to try some google.de searches and found a few on e-bay Germany as wel as local classifieds.

Descriptions limited to old, heavy. And a couple of times the word Gemere. I was hoping the brand but no hits there. The worde gemere means groan in Italian...

All the classified adds located from Berlin eastwards. So guessing former DDR and a company that never made it to the internet era.

I'm gonna keep searching. I will also post more pics as I get refurbishing. Hoping to get some shop time this coming weekend if the 8 month old allows

 

[bagged89s10]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-JUM...437953?hash=item419f2d9181:g:pE4AAOSwA4dWM7gD


So what is it for?


Nuts

I saw that last night. I'm wondering the same thing.

 

[Fretters]

Looks like it is not a vise as we think of it, more like a cutting jig or clamp. Some product(s) is laid in the grooves (or dies?) and a blade cuts via the slot on the right. Dunno. Just an idea.

Just realised I never put that part in my suggestion. Talk about doing a half arsed answer. That's what I'm thinking it's for too. Either pipe or cable clamped, and then that slot is the cutting guide for whatever the cutting mechanism is. I'm guessing some type of shear, with there being no wander marks on that slot.

 

[rmalkow2]

Just realised I never put that part in my suggestion. Talk about doing a half arsed answer. That's what I'm thinking it's for too. Either pipe or cable clamped, and then that slot is the cutting guide for whatever the cutting mechanism is. I'm guessing some type of shear, with there being no wander marks on that slot.

I'm guessing its for braided cable of different sizes and designed to prevent fraying when being cut. But I can't prove it from the internet yet. There were pipe cutters like we use today back in the 1800's so I'm thinking steel cable as a best guess.

 

[Spn1025]

vintage Walworth pipe vise - $5 (andover, nh)
http://nh.craigslist.org/tls/5292472214.html

cheap..if I had time i'd go pick it up.. we'll see if it lasts til the weekend

Is that a big crack I see in the top pic right in the center of the base?

 

[CRSINMICH]

Mr P: That was a nice thing you did by posting the pix of your green Littlestown so that boy could see what his would look like. It also reminded me of something. When you originally posted pictures of the Littco I replied by naming some other small vises - Scout, Pennypincher, Red Arrow. Well I forgot this one. I got it at an estate sale last week for $5. (Yes, it was on a Thursday again.)

EDIT: Make that the week before last.

 

[Mr_P]

Ok CRS. I'm not bitter about your Thursday sales anymore. I just stopped by one today.


What day is it?????

Monday!

A Monday Estate Sale! my finds are posted on the garage sale forum.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Friend P: Yeah, I went to an estate sale and a garage sale today too. Only got two flower pots and an album (an actual album) of baroque music. I didn't expect you to be jealous but I am still jealous of your big *** Parker with stand and your $2.50 Cman. How's that Parker coming along? Have you had the time or inclination to work on it yet? Are you all recovered yet?

EDIT: Just looked at the garage sale thread. Damn, I needed some blue masking tape.

 

[Mr_P]

Haha. I didn't say jealous. Just "bitter" which in my mind, is more like the equivalent of a "You ****" type of feeling.

Nothing on the Parker since the last picture. Just stripped the paint. I posted about possibly seasoning it much like you would a Cast Iron skillet. Still leaning toward that.

Did I mention that $2.50 Craftsman was a Japanese made one? It is.

I'm definitely off the meds now, and off the crutches, but still get a slight pain when twisting around. I see my Surgeon next week, but all in all recovery is going great. It was a Hip Arthroscopy. I think average recovery time is between 3-6 months for a full recovery.

 

[dansem]

Junkermann's Vise Patent

http://www.google.vg/patents/US2107635

 

[Hemi49]

I got this Parker 974 a couple weeks ago.....It was used in an old Wurlitzer factory in Western NY......The Wilton C1 was acquired yesterday.....It is pretty scruffy but I think it will look sharp after rehab.....

 

[Craptain]

Junkermann's Vise Patent

http://www.google.vg/patents/US2107635

Just realised I never put that part in my suggestion. Talk about doing a half arsed answer. That's what I'm thinking it's for too. Either pipe or cable clamped, and then that slot is the cutting guide for whatever the cutting mechanism is. I'm guessing some type of shear, with there being no wander marks on that slot.

Nailed it. !!

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[joe.striper]

Parker 824. Got it Saturday. 4" jaws, 85 lbs. Such a nice vise.

Hammerite blue, baked on finish, BLO on bare parts. Polished wrench, bolt, jaws. Super tight and smooooth. Man do I love Parkers.

 

[McBrownie]

I got this Parker 974 a couple weeks ago.....It was used in an old Wurlitzer factory in Western NY......The Wilton C1 was acquired yesterday.....It is pretty scruffy but I think it will look sharp after rehab.....

Hemi,

Two home runs! Nice.

 

[bagged89s10]

I got this Parker 974 a couple weeks ago.....It was used in an old Wurlitzer factory in Western NY......The Wilton C1 was acquired yesterday.....It is pretty scruffy but I think it will look sharp after rehab.....

2 awesome vises!

Parker 824. Got it Saturday. 4" jaws, 85 lbs. Such a nice vise.



Hammerite blue, baked on finish, BLO on bare parts. Polished wrench, bolt, jaws. Super tight and smooooth. Man do I love Parkers.

The BLO and the blue paint combo really pops! Nice job!


My customer just left with his Wilton 930. He was ecstatic. He was cradling it like a baby. He was afraid to drop it. Haha

 

[KMScott]

Parker 824. Got it Saturday. 4" jaws, 85 lbs. Such a nice vise.

Hammerite blue, baked on finish, BLO on bare parts. Polished wrench, bolt, jaws. Super tight and smooooth. Man do I love Parkers.

Nice job Joe, like the External Retaining Rings idea to hold the wrench on, these would work also and not so bulky. http://www.mcmaster.com/#retaining-rings/=zn2rs8. You are in Parker Heaven so close to Connecticut. Thanks for the serration pic.

 

[topop101]

I got this Parker 974 a couple weeks ago.....It was used in an old Wurlitzer factory in Western NY......The Wilton C1 was acquired yesterday.....It is pretty scruffy but I think it will look sharp after rehab.....

Now that's a nice pair. That Wilton is my fav. vintage and I think the 974/954 is one of the best vise's ever made.

 

[JZiggy]

Judging by the logo on this 2.5" Craftsman angle vise, what year range would you guys guess it is from?

 

[drivesitfar]

ALL: anybody in Mississippi that we know that owns this specialty vise item??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vanity-DR-V...317959?hash=item3ab37b7dc7:g:8T0AAOSwBahVEqjT

i used to own BUYFRME 30 years ago and only had a Zyliss vise then.

Joe: nice and shiny.

Hemi: two more high quality vises. did you mention what the date on the slide of you Wilton C1 is for our study? when you get time to take a family picture or two or more of your vises please do.

HCN: that German vice you found for next to nothing looks a lot like a Parkinson. i wonder if it was made during WWII when the Germans didn't care who had a patent on anything then? also a very warm welcome from the guys here on the vise thread.

JZ: long C's were in the 30's and Jake or Outlaw or somebody else might have it narrowed down a bit more

 

[Mr_P]

Drives. That's funny. I live in Lauderdale County, so it seems like it would work for me.

However, I already have custom plates on my vehicles....

 

[drivesitfar]

P: do you know how to save and post the license plate i found on Ebay to post it? nice looking house in your Avitar. yours? i spent a week in Compton, Mississippi in 2005 a couple months after Katrina. didn't get much sleep because the hotels were full of homeless and I swear they all were cooking their spicy food on hot plates in their rooms because no rooms had kitchens. great people. smells were amazing, but i heard that the area was a little tough where i was staying.

have you built some stout shelving for your growing vise collection?

 

[Fretters]

Wonder if you could find a "Crab Man" one for Joe?

 

[Mr_P]

Yup. That's my house. We just moved out here about 6 months ago. I like it here, it's a slow way of life. I am still missing my Cali house with a 3 car garage though.

My benches are holding the dozen or so vises well still.

 

[joe.striper]

Picked up this little 3.5" Reed tonight. Nice and clean but not one of the desireable models. Oh well, $60 bucks cant go too wrong.

 

[Nuts]

Junkermann's Vise Patent

http://www.google.vg/patents/US2107635

Most excellent find.

Thin wall tubing. My guess was rope or cable as someone else suggested.


Nuts

 

[drivesitfar]

P: thanks for posting the plate. Did you retire in Mississippi? BEEE creful and dont get hooked on sweet tea

Joe: i found that plate looking for viseman on ebay to see if you listed thar Parker. It came up and your listings didnt. Maybe a viseman plate is in the cards for you so when you pull up to look at vises they know you are serious?

 

[bagged89s10]

Picked this up first thing this morning. Parker 433-1/2. Yes it's missing the swivel but I'm pickup up 2 more of the same model Parker vises which are broken this weekend coming up. It's odd that the previous owner took time to drill and tap 2 bolts for the collar since the original bolt is cracked inside. Even the original screw hole is welded closed on the collar. Seems like 3 times the work versus just drilling out the cracked bolt.

 

[Mr_P]

P: thanks for posting the plate. Did you retire in Mississippi? BEEE creful and dont get hooked on sweet tea

Not retired yet. I wish. Still got another 15 years of work. I'm not in a hurry though. My job allows me to move every few years. By the time I retire I will know exactly where I want to spend the rest of my life.

 

[Rileysan]

A pile of small vises. I basically paid less than $1/ea. Most are made in china, but there are two solid cast vises with only a "9" stamped into it that I suspect are vintage US-made vises. Also a Wilton woodworking vise in the lot.

Brian

 

[zkling]

A pile of small vises. I basically paid less than $1/ea. Most are made in china, but there are two solid cast vises with only a "9" stamped into it that I suspect are vintage US-made vises. Also a Wilton woodworking vise in the lot.

Brian

That last one looks like a milwaukee IIRC, with the large anvil. Check the inside of the clamp.

 

[joe.striper]

P: thanks for posting the plate. Did you retire in Mississippi? BEEE creful and dont get hooked on sweet tea

Joe: i found that plate looking for viseman on ebay to see if you listed thar Parker. It came up and your listings didnt. Maybe a viseman plate is in the cards for you so when you pull up to look at vises they know you are serious?

Drivesit, look up viceman NOT viseman on eBay. Also I'm listing stuff on Etsy first then eBay. The Parker isn't up yet on eBay. Ebay fees are killing me.

I got up early and got some nice light for pics today. i like that Hammerite blue paint, a lot. i like the patterns when I can get it to flow a little.

 

[Fretters]

Drivesit, look up viceman NOT viseman on eBay.

I still prefer my Crab Man suggestion.

I got up early and got some nice light for pics today. i like that Hammerite blue paint, a lot. i like the patterns when I can get it to flow a little.

Just on a side note with that Joe, you want to try and apply that slightly thinner than you're currently doing. You'll get a better finish. There was some slight drooping inbetween the blocks of lettering on that last one you did, (it's the parts where the blue seems slightly darker than the rest), and I noticed some pockmarking on one of your earlier vices. Applying thinner coats should prevent those occuring. The old Hammerite was a cow to use at the best of times. The new stuff is even worse.

The first coat will usually look a bag of **** when freshly applied. Leave it overnight though, and it'll look quite different. Some people tend to see the initial result after applying and try whacking a bit more on, or use thicker coats. That's when the problems usually start. Thin coats and leave it for the specified time before recoating, else you'll also have a tendency to drag/lift the previous coat(s) off.

 

[bagged89s10]

I still prefer my Crab Man suggestion.









Just on a side note with that Joe, you want to try and apply that slightly thinner than you're currently doing. You'll get a better finish. There was some slight drooping inbetween the blocks of lettering on that last one you did, (it's the parts where the blue seems slightly darker than the rest), and I noticed some pockmarking on one of your earlier vices. Applying thinner coats should prevent those occuring. The old Hammerite was a cow to use at the best of times. The new stuff is even worse.



The first coat will usually look a bag of **** when freshly applied. Leave it overnight though, and it'll look quite different. Some people tend to see the initial result after applying and try whacking a bit more on, or use thicker coats. That's when the problems usually start. Thin coats and leave it for the specified time before recoating, else you'll also have a tendency to drag/lift the previous coat(s) off.

I had the same problem on the Wilton I just finished. I never sprayed hammerite until this past weekend and the cure times are a little longer, even with baking. I had some spots which got too dark, and I had to redo it. It was a learning experience.

 

[bagged89s10]

Drivesit, look up viceman NOT viseman on eBay. Also I'm listing stuff on Etsy first then eBay. The Parker isn't up yet on eBay. Ebay fees are killing me.



I got up early and got some nice light for pics today. i like that Hammerite blue paint, a lot. i like the patterns when I can get it to flow a little.

That color is growing on me. Nice pics!

 

[Hemi49]

Drivesit, look up viceman NOT viseman on eBay. Also I'm listing stuff on Etsy first then eBay. The Parker isn't up yet on eBay. Ebay fees are killing me.

I got up early and got some nice light for pics today. i like that Hammerite blue paint, a lot. i like the patterns when I can get it to flow a little.

Joe.stripper
Beautiful vise and photographs......It's apparent you shoot with Canon cameras...