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I have a Hilti impact that's made in Switzerland. It's getting old, so I called Hilti about this drill and impact kit and asked if it was made in China?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MVMHV2U/?tag=atomicindus08-20 .

I was told the tools no, the batteries yes. I ordered it directly from Hilti and went to pick it up at the local Hilti warehouse. It's all made in China which I found rather disappointing. I just can't see paying a premium price for something made in China. I could get 3 China made kits in Makita, Milwaukee etc. for the same price. I didn't take it.
 
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So. now, due to the delusional "them thar Chinamens caint make nuttin" You go by three lesser products also made in China.
Good thing American astronauts don't carry your mentality. They'd refuse to ride to the space station with them thar Uvull Kommie Russians and be on the ground watching them work up'ar through a Chinese computer screen and transmitter.
LOL
 

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So. now, due to the delusional "them thar Chinamens caint make nuttin" You go by three lesser products also made in China.
Good thing American astronauts don't carry your mentality. They'd refuse to ride to the space station with them thar Uvull Kommie Russians and be on the ground watching them work up'ar through a Chinese computer screen and transmitter.
LOL

WOW had to read that 3 times :eyecrazy:

Why pay a premium when made in china??? look at craftsman, look at mac and and matco tools. Waiting for the day snap on moves most of there **** overseas and still charging the same.

How about old Milwaukee USA power tools vs now made in china. There is a difference.

I agree with the OP.
 

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With more of their production heading to Asia, I think one of the few things that would push me toward Hilti is their lease program. Otherwise, on tools like that, I'll purchase Milwaukee, DeWalt, Makita, Metabo...
 

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Overpriced for imported junk. Get the DW assembled here if there is a version equal. I like my Hilti hammer drills, sad to see them sell out.
 

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Well, you pay a premium for a premium tool. You need to inspect it and use it and see if it's a premium tool. Being made in a country is not purely a sign of quality. There are a lot of really crappy products made in the USA. If Hilti designed a good tool, spec'd it well, and had it manufactured to high standards with high quality materials then it is a premium tool and you pay more. It's as simple as that. Just because something is made in China doesn't automagically make it ****. Things like poor engineering, materials, and QC do.
 
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Why does it matter where its made? I see no one complaining of apple products

I don't think it's a secret that manufacturing in China cost considerably less then most other places. Therefore I expect the price to reflect made in China not Switzerland where my old Hilti was made.
 

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Overpriced for imported junk. Get the DW assembled here if there is a version equal. I like my Hilti hammer drills, sad to see them sell out.

love the mentality that cheaper labor means inferior products, regardless of retail pricing.. let me know when you start sending Dewalt extra money for the tools that are now "made in the usa".. whats that you say?? they are charging me "made in china" prices, and giving me made in the usa tools - those bastards. oh wait - let me make sure i read that sticker right cause i cant even tell the difference anyway.. :lol_hitti let me know when you come up with something new to say other than saying the SAME THING in every thread you post in.
 

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I don't think it's a secret that manufacturing in China cost considerably less then most other places. Therefore I expect the price to reflect made in China not Switzerland where my old Hilti was made.

so your saying Dewalt should tack on an extra $50 for their tools that are US made since it cost more to make them here?
 

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Most cordless power tools currently are all made in China ( most not all) and even thou it's made in China does not mean it's not good and Hilti is very good my snap on cordless are made in China too and are still great

Unfortunately most electronics power tools included come from China even my iPhone but bigger company's have higher qc than others and a lot are engineered in is just made over seas

Hilti is a great company I know carpenters prefer them over Milwaukee dewalt and makita that own them all too
 

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I have a Hilti impact that's made in Switzerland. It's getting old, so I called Hilti about this drill and impact kit and asked if it was made in China?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MVMHV2U/?tag=atomicindus08-20 .

I was told the tools no, the batteries yes. I ordered it directly from Hilti and went to pick it up at the local Hilti warehouse. It's all made in China which I found rather disappointing. I just can't see paying a premium price for something made in China. I could get 3 China made kits in Makita, Milwaukee etc. for the same price. I didn't take it.

How was it marked? Be precise:

1: Made in China

2: Made in The Republic of China. (Not China)

3: A product of the Republic of China. (Not China)

4: Made in Taiwan. (Not China, same as the previous two)

5: Made in Hong Kong (Very different from mainland China; given to them in very recent memory.)

China is a convoluted and argumentative empire in all but name. There are many different kinds of China, and quite a few of them believe they are the one true China. This leads to much confusion.

Panasonic, for example, created and populated with their own engineers and tooling a factory in "China". It's not exactly hanging out beside Foxconn city.

GearWrench products are manufactured in Taiwan, a nation who's proper name is, in fact, The Republic of China; one word short of The People's Republic of China, which disavowed and kicked the **** out of them.

China is a tricky subject. Sometimes a manufacturer builds in one China or another simply because they ran out of room elsewhere. (Panasonic)
 

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FWIW, this is nothing new.
Since 2009, HILTI and Panasonic formed Panasonic Electric Works, a joint venture engineering and manufacturing cordless power tools. HILTI owned half the company.
These are some of the finest tools available in the cordless market.
 

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im SO tired of hearing the china bs.. everthing is junk, but most of the people that say that have no problem showing off their iphones and samsung galaxies.. give me a break already..
 

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If its cordless 95% of the time its made in China or been sourced largely from China. No way around it. They have a monopoly on rare earth elements used to make motors.
 
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How was it marked? Be precise:

1: Made in China

Made in China.


so your saying Dewalt should tack on an extra $50 for their tools that are US made since it cost more to make them here?

Well duh, obviously if the cost of labor in manufacturing is higher the price will need to be higher. And I would expect if Dewalt is actually Made in USA it would cost more and I would be willing to pay more. However, Hilti is probably 3X the cost of Dewalt.
 

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Made in China.




Well duh, obviously if the cost of labor in manufacturing is higher the price will need to be higher. And I would expect if Dewalt is actually Made in USA it would cost more and I would be willing to pay more. However, Hilti is probably 3X the cost of Dewalt.

you made in america guys ALWAYS swear how you would pay more - but the argument is usually about your complaining how craftsman's CHEAPEST tools aren't made in the USA anymore.. so enough already.. you cant have it both ways.. hilti is designed to basically be idiot proof - thus it costs more - how much more depends on how many made/sold vs cost to make and still turn a profit.. you cant compete against models almost just as good for 1/2 the price - without doing something to cut expenses.. people will only pay so much before EVERYONE says its just not worth the money..
 
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you made in america guys ALWAYS swear how you would pay more - but the argument is usually about your complaining how craftsman's CHEAPEST tools aren't made in the USA anymore.. so enough already.. you cant have it both ways.. hilti is designed to basically be idiot proof - thus it costs more - how much more depends on how many made/sold vs cost to make and still turn a profit.. you cant compete against models almost just as good for 1/2 the price - without doing something to cut expenses.. people will only pay so much before EVERYONE says its just not worth the money..

Ummm.... Duh again. You brought up the made in USA example. I made no comment about made in USA in this thread other then addressing your post. :lol:
 

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I use Hilti Cordless tools for work and they are awesome! You have nothing to worry about in regards to quality. Ergonomics are great and no gimmicks.
 

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OP Im with ya. Good for you not paying a premium for made in China. Buy a Makita. Yeah its made in china but atleast you wont be paying original hilti prices.

When does it end? Do we buy E V E R Y T H I N G thats made in China!? We're screwing this economy.
 

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Ummm.... Duh again. You brought up the made in USA example. I made no comment about made in USA in this thread other then addressing your post. :lol:

you created a thread about how your "spiting yourself" by not buying the stuff YOU WANT.. lol.. you show em.. :thumbup: yea , buy makita instead..
 
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you created a thread about how your "spiting yourself" by not buying the stuff YOU WANT.. lol.. you show em.. :thumbup: yea , buy makita instead..

Lol. You just don't get it. If I wanted to buy China Hilti at a premium price I would have. I don't, so I passed.
 

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Lol. You just don't get it. If I wanted to buy China Hilti at a premium price I would have. I don't, so I passed.

I agree 100%.

The point isn't that Hilti China is trash. It's likely very good, or it'd risk damaging the brand, which, going off decisions like this, is more powerful than the COO to buyers.

Can anyone argue that the Swiss, or people from Lichtenstein (Hilti's HQ) produce anything but quality? When your cost of labor is that high, you can't afford to have defects. Not to mention the fact that the country (Der Schweiz) has a history of high quality.

Point being here, and the way I think is, if you're going to go ahead and lower YOUR cost on the tool, why aren't you lowering MY cost?

Unless I misunderstand OP and he's a usual Harbor Freight shopper who decided to look at Hilti for some reason.
 

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When does it end? Do we buy E V E R Y T H I N G thats made in China!? We're screwing this economy.

What you need to look at is corporate taxes. Companies need to be profitable to keep running and develop newer products.

Hilti, Milwaukee, Snap-on, Makita, etc design their products in house and then when it clears the R&D will be sent over to the plant for manufacturing. It would be nice to make said products in their home countries but when you have high corporate taxes that eat away into your profits (which lets be clear, you dont go to work to work for free and you do what you can to make as much money as money as possible), you will find a place that will work better for you.

So if your mad that said product is made in China (even though the plant is better equipped with the latest technology), instead of blaiming the company for trying to make a profit and still give you a quality product just think about if your local state has really high income, sales, property taxes with average pay but the state next door has same pay but significantly lower taxes... What would you do?
 

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What you need to look at is corporate taxes. Companies need to be profitable to keep running and develop newer products.
Taxes on profits are independent of the country of production, unless you're suggesting that imported tools are accompanied with tax write-offs. Taxes depend on country of incorporation, which is why Ingersoll Rand is incorporated in Ireland, and many companies are incorporated in Bermuda and on other islands.

Production is outsourced to save on labor, which in most industries, is the largest direct cost.

Jobs, and production, are sent to China to increase the margin on many products. Never to lower the price, of course, but to reduce the cost and keep the same price, or even to increase it.



If you don't care about what Made in USA means, that's fine, but don't try to act like its disappearance on products is because of the government, and the government alone. Everyone is out for their own profit, government and companies. The government hasn't made it impossible for business.

If all imported tools faced a 30% tariff, see how much that profit tax would matter, or even if they were forced to pay the difference in labor costs as a tariff, whether they'd continue to manufacture overseas.

That they're screwing over workers doesn't matter to them. As somewhat vertically integrated manufacturing facilities, they don't have the excuse that their suppliers have offshored, which may be the case with facilities that make more "involved" products. Like a wire feed motor in a Miller welding being made in Mexico - Miller as a solitary buyer can't tell the manufacturer of that part where to manufacture if the rest of the buyers don't care so long as the unit works.

I'm no left-winger, but I won't sit idly while people who work in this country make excuses for others to send jobs overseas.
 
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Taxes on profits are independent of the country of production, unless you're suggesting that imported tools are accompanied with tax write-offs. Taxes depend on country of incorporation, which is why Ingersoll Rand is incorporated in Ireland, and many companies are incorporated in Bermuda and on other islands.

Didnt say the companies did it for a taxes write off.. They do it to not have to pay high taxes...

Production is outsourced to save on labor, which in most industries, is the largest direct cost.

This is a well known fact... When you buy gas for your car do you try to find the lowest priced gas or just go to whatever gas station you see no matter what the price is?

Jobs, and production, are sent to China to increase the margin on many products. Never to lower the price, of course, but to reduce the cost and keep the same price, or even to increase it.

Yeah, but think about this for one second... How much does R&D cost followed up by the use of the best materials (good metal vs cheap metal, durable plastic vs cheap plastic which plastic is made from oil and cost to ship is also associated with cost of oil...). All of this costs money. Think of the iPhone for example, look at its cost to manufacture along with cost of each part... But what about the cost of design, programming, etc. No one brings that up in a discussion, only that said item cost the company "said" amount in parts.


If you don't care about what Made in USA means, that's fine, but don't try to act like its disappearance on products is because of the government, and the government alone. Everyone is out for their own profit, government, companies and people. The government hasn't made it impossible for business.

I do care but facts are facts and it is the reality of it... Had to fix the comment by adding a key word.. Out of anything I made in this post this part is the most important question: When you go to work do you care more about your bosses paycheck, a coworkers paycheck, your neighbor next door at home paycheck, an executive of the competitor companies paycheck, or your own paycheck?

Who's expenses (mortgage, food, gas, etc) do you care more about?

Who's taxes do you care more about?

We can nit pick what a company does to make money, but you can be nit picked on the decisions you make as well... What make you more special than someone else?

If all imported tools faced a 30% tariff, see how much that profit tax would matter, or even if they were forced to pay the difference in labor costs as a tariff, whether they'd continue to manufacture overseas.

Car manufactures from Europe deal with this on pickup trucks or cargo vehicles imported to the USA (chicken tax). And they deal with it through a loophole.


I'm no left-winger, but I won't sit idly while people who work in this country make excuses for others to send jobs overseas.

Sorry to say but its their money in the end, just like your money is your money and anyone can nit pick you on how you spend your money. This in return is what many people are doing.

But like the old saying goes: money talks, bullsh¡t walks. You really want to make a change then do so with your money because words are just words.
 

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Here is another way to look at all of this. Black Friday / Cyber Monday are now done with.. Did you purchase products during this time of the year to reap on the big savings from big box stores???

I can tell you that I did not... I could have waited til these two days to purchase my Milwaukee 3/8 impact which I purchased last week (one week before these money saving days) but instead I supported my local tool distributor by purchasing from him...

But on a last note before I check out of this thread: before you start nit picking a company on their choices, look at what you spend you money on ANY product you buy and where it is made, the cost savings in which you are trying to achieve, and last how much you are getting paid and why you deserve a pay raise but someone (or company) doesnt....
 

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Lol. You just don't get it. If I wanted to buy China Hilti at a premium price I would have. I don't, so I passed.

No u just don't get it.. U think that where the item is made suddenly reduces the cost of everything else that goes into bringing something to market. The materials still cost what they cost, the r&d still costs what it does, the company still costs what it does to maintain a worldwide presence and keep its team together.. People buy less, a company needs to find cheaper manufacturing to roll out a smaller number of tools and still maintain their price point. U guys make it sound like they took a ryobi drill slapped a hilti case around it and now its "junk" and nothing like it was in previous years.. Plant A made it instead of plant B.. Its not suddenly "junk".
 
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No u just don't get it.. U think that where the item is made suddenly reduces the cost of everything else that goes into bringing something to market. The materials still cost what they cost, the r&d still costs what it does, the company still costs what it does to maintain a worldwide presence and keep its team together.. People buy less, a company needs to find cheaper manufacturing to roll out a smaller number of tools and still maintain their price point. U guys make it sound like they took a ryobi drill slapped a hilti case around it and now its "junk" and nothing like it was in previous years.. Plant A made it instead of plant B.. Its not suddenly "junk".

Keep reaching. Maybe you will eventually grasp something that makes sense. :spit:
 

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Guys I dont blame companies for jumping on the band wagon and doing the China thing to stay in business. I recognize its a necessity almost these days to turn a profit.

My point is, look at whats happening. All of these jobs have gone over seas. Made in USA used to mean something. It meant quality. Lets not forget that most of us who care enough about tools to argue are blue collar workers who make their living using the tools. We are literally building america. You used to be able to buy American made tools at regular prices. The tool would do its job without a hiccup and you wouldnt think twice. Now that same money is used towards the chinese economy, and we're using their tools. I dont know about you but Id say 50-60 percent of the made in china tools I have bought dont cut it.

Hmmm the blue collar guys USING these tools havent made an increase in profit margin, the tool manufacturers have, the middle class is slowly disappearing and the rich have gotten richer.........sounds fair to me!

The government needs to tax the hell out of "made in china", and make it profitable to be made here like it once was.
 

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To be honest, what Im sick to death of, is having to find the **** boutique tool at boutique pricing just to get a tool to do what its supposed to do.

The chinese are masters at disguising a tool to look legit. They counterfeit anything. I bought a pickle fork, ya know, a tool thats meant to be BEAT ON?!?! Two hits into a ball joint and the head literally snapped off! What am I, buying **** just to look at it!?! No, nowadays you have to then return that **** to the store and go online and overpay just to get a piece of steel that will do the job. Its more work because you have to hunt for a decent tool.

I get pissed just thinking about it.
 

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I bought my first Hilti drill in 2007 paid almost retail because I knew I was buying one of the toughest cordless tools on the market regarless of origin. I now have 10 different Hilti tools yes mostly made In China which has zero affect on there performance. They are a top player in the tool market because they can design, build, produce and maintain a tool in China that Still out performs the competition in the durability repeatability serviceability

Why do you think so many construction companies rely on Hilti day in day out to build the city's we live because they are built to a higher standard then there competition and profitability means no downtime which year after year my tools have proved themselves way beyond my co workers Dewalt Mikita Milwaukee bosch ect. Most of which are made in the same place "China" anyway having no effect or precursor to build quality. It all comes back on the brand creating those specs for the manufacturer. It goes back to business 101 supply and demand. If Hilti demands a top level product they china will supply them with that said product but it will cost more than cheap **** put out by most companies today

OMG I can't believe I'm saying this not everything in China is junk. Just as alot of the stuff in the US that we produce today is garbage. It's the generation we live in sorry if that makes me un-American but it's the truth. We live in a world that is much larger than just the good ole USA
 
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To be honest, what Im sick to death of, is having to find the **** boutique tool at boutique pricing just to get a tool to do what its supposed to do.

The chinese are masters at disguising a tool to look legit. They counterfeit anything. I bought a pickle fork, ya know, a tool thats meant to be BEAT ON?!?! Two hits into a ball joint and the head literally snapped off! What am I, buying **** just to look at it!?! No, nowadays you have to then return that **** to the store and go online and overpay just to get a piece of steel that will do the job. Its more work because you have to hunt for a decent tool.

I get pissed just thinking about it.

What does this have to do with Hilti?
 

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Sounds more like your an uninformed consumer that was unhappy :sad: with there purchase due to a lack a basic research on a specific product. :spit:

Its never the company's fault you bought their crappy tools. What did they force you at gunpoint LOL.... you're an adult right? you have to own up to your mistakes learn from them and don't purchase there tools in the future :scared:
 
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It's sad to see the economy so thirsty for everyone's hard earned money. These companies pay pennies for their product, and then charge us out the *** with whatever price they feel reasonable. That's not even the worst part, if these tools were even close to being manufactured properly then i'm sure we all wouldn't mind, but they're not. We end up having to settle for second class tools based on the day and age, not price.
 
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