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Thrumcap

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Joe: that's too funny about the Portland, Maine and Portland, Oregon and you looking at a vise i bought because i found the American Scale #79 in Maine before you did and was thinking about it and talking to another member about it when Thrum posted the link on our thread. SMALL WORLD?????

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Here's an 8" Desmond-Stephan Simplex 81S vise at auction on the 16th. The online terms are rough, in person slightly less so, but if you're in the neighborhood.....

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Picked up this Samson 3.5" vise today... $25. A good deal, 2nd Samson vise in two weeks.
 

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They are all in remarkably good condition, with good teeth left on the jaws and smooth operation…except for the swivelling jaw on the Hollands. Any tips on how to free the pin and swivel jaw up?

write: Swivel jaw pins seem to come in two types - missing and stuck. Here is a link to the Vise Repair Thread. Somewhere around page 112 There is a discussion about freeing stuck pins. It's about a pin on a Wilton but most of the advice should be applicable to any vise.

Click on this: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830&highlight=vise+repair+101
 

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Thrump, that 81S tears my heart out.---ON my very very short list and that one looks pristine.---But I read the terms and conditions.---Not a chance.---Demo has two of them.---I just want one.:(
 

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74X series has "plain iron" jaws; the 76X and 77x (swivel base) had hardened steel., but neither had replaceable that i know of.

Here is a Stanley 761 with replaceable jaws. It's the first one I have seen but a lot of you guys have been at it much longer than me.
 

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Here is a Stanley 761 with replaceable jaws. It's the first one I have seen but a lot of you guys have been at it much longer than me.

I thought I'd seen them with replaceable, but my 765 didn't have it so... :headscrat

I'm guessing its the era? Mine is a Sweetheart era, later ones I'm guessing may have started having them? :dunno:
 

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The Internet, finding tools aroung the planet to admire that you can't quite get to since 1991. :D

Noesho, MO
Here's an 8" Desmond-Stephan Simplex 81S vise at auction on the 16th. The online terms are rough, in person slightly less so, but if you're in the neighborhood.....

Thrumcap
:canada:

Rough? It's just down right robbery...18% for onsite bidders... and has a reserve :wtf:
 

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Almost done with my Wilton C1. Just need to get it lubed up and final assembly.
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The Internet, finding tools aroung the planet to admire that you can't quite get to since 1991. :D

Noesho, MO
Here's an 8" Desmond-Stephan Simplex 81S vise at auction on the 16th. The online terms are rough, in person slightly less so, but if you're in the neighborhood.....

Thrumcap
:canada:

I find it confusing that vises from Woonsocket and Urbana can both be found with the bulb shaped hubs and cylindrical too.
 

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Since you're just learning about Wiltons at this time, you should read the thread about DATING them. You'll learn there are no Wiltons stamped 1941 (there was a war going on), so any vise with a date stamp is Post-WWII

I did read that thread. What I gleaned from that was that Wilton, at that time, made vises for the US government only, thus, no stamp. I also learned that the government helped out Wilton by dumping all of their vise to the public once the war was over almost causing Wilton to go out of business. I also believe that I read that there was a stretch from the early to mid-fifties with no date stamp whatsoever, if I read correctly.
What I did not read was how a vise that looks exactly like a vise from that early war period has a date stamp of 1966. Perhaps, since you like to point things out, you could point out that section of the thread to me.
 

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Can anyone help me identify this vise -it has what seems to be Parker jaws and a front main screw retaining clip that is screwed from top down
 

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I did read that thread. What I gleaned from that was that Wilton, at that time, made vises for the US government only, thus, no stamp. I also learned that the government helped out Wilton by dumping all of their vise to the public once the war was over almost causing Wilton to go out of business. I also believe that I read that there was a stretch from the early to mid-fifties with no date stamp whatsoever, if I read correctly.
What I did not read was how a vise that looks exactly like a vise from that early war period has a date stamp of 1966. Perhaps, since you like to point things out, you could point out that section of the thread to me.

Not sure what thread it surfaced in (probably several), but every so often an older vise casting (Chicago) surfaces with a later date. (Mostly with baby Bullets)

Two possibilities;

Wilton found some old castings and just used them.
Someone took 2 broken vises and made one good vise. This could also have been a case where a new jaw was ordered, and they were date coding all of them... But in any case, old + new...
 
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I did read that thread. What I gleaned from that was that Wilton, at that time, made vises for the US government only, thus, no stamp. I also learned that the government helped out Wilton by dumping all of their vise to the public once the war was over almost causing Wilton to go out of business. I also believe that I read that there was a stretch from the early to mid-fifties with no date stamp whatsoever, if I read correctly.
What I did not read was how a vise that looks exactly like a vise from that early war period has a date stamp of 1966. Perhaps, since you like to point things out, you could point out that section of the thread to me.

The point I was trying to make is that I would not trust that eBay vise to actually be a 1941 Wilton, as there would be no valid way to demonstrate that. The link does not show the actual auction, so I surmise that the seller took the usual (and incorrect) notion that you subtract 5 years from the stamp date on his actual 1946 vise.

As we have seen with the baby Wilton vises, there seems to be a never ending supply of vintage castings that were used well into the 70's. Since your No.60 is a rare model, it is very possible that it was really built in 1966 from old stock castings. The swivel clamps certainly do not look like something from the early 40's (they would have been simple acorn nuts, or bronze swivels).

Maybe if you show more pics of the jaws (are they serrations vs straight grooves), and include the dimensions of the swivel clamps, a better hypothesis for your date stamp could be developed.
 

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Outlawmws...Appreciate the information. I hadn't read about Wilton re-using castings. The old/new part replacement came to mind.

exmaxima1...Your information is also very much appreciated. I will try to get some more pictures up with what you suggested. And, though I wish it was my vise, it's a friends. With the "Pat Pend/Chicago" casting I had assumed it was an early 40's. The Ebay auction I used to bolster my opinion. That's one of the reasons I decided to join this forum instead of just lurking around, there are many more of you who have a greater depth of knowledge than myself. I know he plans to refinish the vise and then put it to use but I guess it would've been fairly neat to have an early model. That said, how rare is the No. 60? I guess that can be the "cool" factor instead.
 
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Can anyone help me identify this vise -it has what seems to be Parker jaws and a front main screw retaining clip that is screwed from top down

Could also be a Howard Iron Works. They used Parker style jaws, too.
 

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Freshened up this old craftsman over the weekend.

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I think it is a Howard Iron Works Buffalo NY

Could also be a Howard Iron Works. They used Parker style jaws, too.

If it's a Howard, they used more than just the jaw design! bench feet, Jaw shaping, Body steps, dang near everything is the same as a Parker...

That ad shows the jaw insert sitting in a square shelf. The pics of the Vise in question showed the same sloped shelf as a Parker. Anyone seen a Howard in person? is it a square shelf or sloped?
 

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ANYONE: Could someone direct me to the information that was being passed around about techniques for painting raised letters on vises? I was particularly interested in the Paper Towel technique. I know it comes up from time to time but there are a lot of pages to search. There wouldn't be a Vise Painting thread would there?
 

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Almost done with my Wilton C1. Just need to get it lubed up and final assembly.
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sld961
Looks nice....I'm refurbishing an older model C1.....It had a hard life so it is taking me more time to get it back in shape than I originally thought.....
Hemi
 

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I don't know of the paper towel trick. However, I use paint pens for colors other than black. For black, I use a magic marker. Seems like I have better luck with color flow than a brush. Then the vise gets clear coated.
 

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Outlawmws...Appreciate the information. I hadn't read about Wilton re-using castings. The old/new part replacement came to mind.

exmaxima1...Your information is also very much appreciated. I will try to get some more pictures up with what you suggested. And, though I wish it was my vise, it's a friends. With the "Pat Pend/Chicago" casting I had assumed it was an early 40's. The Ebay auction I used to bolster my opinion. That's one of the reasons I decided to join this forum instead of just lurking around, there are many more of you who have a greater depth of knowledge than myself. I know he plans to refinish the vise and then put it to use but I guess it would've been fairly neat to have an early model. That said, how rare is the No. 60? I guess that can be the "cool" factor instead.

AJH

Are you referring to the vise in your post #39123?

The vise in #39123 is a No. 6, not a No. 60. The model 60 is a swivel jaw. The swivel jaw is a much less common model then the fixed jaw. BTW - I posted a No. 6 in the Wilton date thread dated 1953.

What your friend has is very rare, a mis-marked Wilton No. 6.

As has been said, Wilton must have had stuff laying around and used it as they found it - every now and then someone has to get to the bottom of the bin...

JKB
 
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I don't know of the paper towel trick. However, I use paint pens for colors other than black. For black, I use a magic marker. Seems like I have better luck with color flow than a brush. Then the vise gets clear coated.

Thanks Mark: I know your lettering comes out nicely so I'll give paint pens a try. The paper towel trick seems like it was using a tightly folded towel to dab on the paint similar to the way paint is applied to a stencil. There were other techniques that were talked about but most relied on steadier hands and sharper vision than I have.
 

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Got this at a yard sale last summer for $5. Anyone recognize it? No markings. I suspect it is an import.
 

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just saw this on ebay Chas Parker #978- 300lbs 8"wide jaws -I didn't know how to copy link to ebay listing
 

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Thanks Mark: I know your lettering comes out nicely so I'll give paint pens a try. The paper towel trick seems like it was using a tightly folded towel to dab on the paint similar to the way paint is applied to a stencil. There were other techniques that were talked about but most relied on steadier hands and sharper vision than I have.


That is exactly how the paper towel trick works, something like a quarter sheet folded small with not much down pressure so the paint doesn't bleed over the edges.

Nuts
 
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