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[dutchgray]

Screwdrivers 634 is looking great.
Got me a rare one today and my first Fortis.
View media item 55650One of these swivel split jaw jobbies. 4 1/2" main jaw.

 

[organ]

Certainly damaged goods, but it doesn't look like it's from the stresses of hammering or clamping.

It looks like someone was burning with a torch and melted the jaw. Reminds me of the Top Gear BBC episode titled "Killing a Toyota" where they abuse an Aussie-made Toyota Hilux truck to try to make it fail.

Brian

That's an '88 Hilux, may've been assembled in New Zealand but no Hilux was ever made in Australia.

 

[dittle fart around]

Painted with blue hammerite, toned down with a bit of black. All done.

Screwd.

You'd have to have a keg up there for comparison.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Screwdriver: Great vice! Great colour! Great job! Go immediately to the Vise of the Year 2015 thread and post it there. It's a fun new end-of-the-year thread for people to nominate their own personal favorites. Here's the link:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313343&page=4

 

[CRSINMICH]

Screwdrivers 634 is looking great.
Got me a rare one today and my first Fortis.
View media item 55650One of these swivel split jaw jobbies. 4 1/2" main jaw.

dutch: That's a rare one alright. If there isn't a category for it in the Vise of the Year 2015 thread there ought to be. Here's the link if you want to post it there. (You should).
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313343&page=4

 

[bagged89s10]

Made a new handle for the Wilton 840. I think it came out pretty good for my first handle.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Made a new handle for the Wilton 840. I think it came out pretty good for my first handle.

Page 43 of Bagged's Big Book of Understated Statements​

Pretty good? I'd say that's pretty WOW. Nice job - again!

 

[bagged89s10]

Page 43 of Bagged's Big Book of Understated Statements​

Pretty good? I'd say that's pretty WOW. Nice job - again!

Thanks. I didn't get a good picture of the ends without the finger savers other than this one. I'll take nice pics later tonight when I get out to the garage to finis up the vise.

 

[Hemi49]

Made a new handle for the Wilton 840. I think it came out pretty good for my first handle.

BAGGED

Great job on the handle......You are getting to be a real lathehand
Hemi

 

[drivesitfar]

Dutch: that fortis vice is awesome and happy to see you own one now. I think CW has one but guessing Fretters still needs one for his bucket list. Looks like its in great shape. Is handle original? I doubt any of us will evervfind one here in the states unless its already on somebody's shelf or chain.

Screwed: not too late to put a few more pictures of that big record over on the vice of the year thread. Very nice

Bagged: your skills are improving daily. Nicely done

 

[MikeF2316]

That York is BADASS!!! Wow! Cool vise. Is it as big as it looks (no,beer can for scale)?

$30 canadian. nice score! How'd u swing that deal?

New pic with beer can for scale. But one of those "man sized" 473 ml Canadian ones.
It was posted in the thread for Greater Toronto Area Hot Deals.

I've now disassembled it, cleaned and relubed. All the surface rust is gone except the visible part of the lead screw and handle. I decided to leave them as they were. It was really hard to stop and not take it to the next level with new paint. But I wanted to preserve the black and gold "YORK" on the front. And I wanted a vise I could pound on, that was the whole point.
And it's already in service!
The aluminum jaw protectors that I just made for the old 5" vise are too narrow for the 150

 

[xxaler]

Scewdriver.
Funny! I haven't checked this thread since last night and just had the urge to get you jaw measurements before I left work an hour ago!

Complete clone! Same paint and all!

 

[dutchgray]

drives
From a quick look it seems all original apart from the QR bracket, which is brass coloured and very roughly cast, I have never seen one that wasn't steel before so I think someone may have remade that part. Its in decent condition, not much abuse but its obviously well used, I need to straighten the QR bar because its twisted from use over time.
Pretty sure CW has one from what I can remember, he has most of the rare ones.

 

[zkling]

Here's a quick summary of my Record 634, snapped it up for £50 just up the road from me. Not in such bad condition, just missing some vice jaws and a lick of paint.


Screwd.

Great job, the hex bolts for the pipe jaws just scream robust.

I had to laugh when you saved the screws, someone as cheap as I am.

Are the pipe jaws smooth? Hard to tell from the photos? Did you mill them out or tackle them by hand?

 

[jpickar]

Nice job Screwdriver!!

John

 

[AnotherJarhead]

Ok, I just spent the better part of the last hour trying to search this forum and Google for a question I have. Easier just to ask the minds here. Did Wilton ever make something other than the 600 and 800 with the rear threaded jaws and those nothches? Only in the machinist style is what I guess I'm asking. I saw some of the larger taller vise (C2 maybe?) pictures.

 

[bagged89s10]

BAGGED

Great job on the handle......You are getting to be a real lathehand
Hemi

Dutch: that fortis vice is awesome and happy to see you own one now. I think CW has one but guessing Fretters still needs one for his bucket list. Looks like its in great shape. Is handle original? I doubt any of us will evervfind one here in the states unless its already on somebody's shelf or chain.



Screwed: not too late to put a few more pictures of that big record over on the vice of the year thread. Very nice



Bagged: your skills are improving daily. Nicely done

Thanks drives and hemi. I'm learning. Tubalcain on YouTube has some great beginner lathe videos which have helped me refresh my memory on lathe operation and threading with a die. I kind of cheated on this one starting with an acorn nut, but I still turned it down then ground it smooth. I want to find a radius tool that fits my lathe to make spheres.

 

[KMScott]

Veeps, make your knobs this way, you do not need a radius cutter, just a angle grinder with a sanding disc. I drill and ream a nominal sized pilot hole in the knob that slips over a machined step on the handle ends. .001 clearance is a fit I like. I use a 36 grit sanding disc backed up by a plastic pad. You can get very close doing it this way. Then go to a Hook and Loop Nylon Mesh pads http://www.mcmaster.com/#46555a58/=1098yll then I follow up by filing the heavy scratches out and use 100 grit sandpaper to smooth out the filing marks. Finish up by using the red Scotch Brite pads. You go further in the finish then me. Add a chamfer so you can peen it to the handle. After a couple they get real easy.

 

[bagged89s10]

Veeps, make your knobs this way, you do not need a radius cutter, just a angle grinder with a sanding disc. I drill and ream a nominal sized pilot hole in the knob that slips over a machined step on the handle ends. .001 clearance is a fit I like. I use a 36 grit sanding disc backed up by a plastic pad. You can get very close doing it this way. Then go to a Hook and Loop Nylon Mesh pads http://www.mcmaster.com/#46555a58/=1098yll then I follow up by filing the heavy scratches out and use 100 grit sandpaper to smooth out the filing marks. Finish up by using the red Scotch Brite pads. You go further in the finish then me. Add a chamfer so you can peen it to the handle. After a couple they get real easy.

Thanks Kevin. I pretty much used the angle grinder, file, then 80 grit and up to smooth out the ball after I took roughed out the shape. I'll try your method on one of my larger vises. I'm not confident in my ability to peen the end and make it look good but I'll give it a shot.

 

[Screwdriver]

Scewdriver.
Funny! I haven't checked this thread since last night and just had the urge to get you jaw measurements before I left work an hour ago!

Complete clone! Same paint and all!

Brilliant thanks. Can I just confirm some measurements though.

Sketchup tells me the jaw is appx. 1.95 inches and do you know if the single jaw is the same dimension as the two opposite?

Looks to me like the single (reversible) jaw might be square and the two other jaws at least 5mm shorter.

Cheers.

Screwd.

 

[Jcrapola]

Veeps, make your knobs this way, you do not need a radius cutter, just a angle grinder with a sanding disc. I drill and ream a nominal sized pilot hole in the knob that slips over a machined step on the handle ends. .001 clearance is a fit I like. I use a 36 grit sanding disc backed up by a plastic pad. You can get very close doing it this way. Then go to a Hook and Loop Nylon Mesh pads http://www.mcmaster.com/#46555a58/=1098yll then I follow up by filing the heavy scratches out and use 100 grit sandpaper to smooth out the filing marks. Finish up by using the red Scotch Brite pads. You go further in the finish then me. Add a chamfer so you can peen it to the handle. After a couple they get real easy.

If you layout the 45degree angle that lies tangent to your desired ball radius on a piece of graph paper, You can scribe a line (or 2 lines if you prefer) on your cylindrical stock at the beginning and rgh off the bulk of the material with the angle feed on your toolpost (assuming you keep your angle feed set at 45). Reduces the amount of grinding grit generated and makes it easier to make larger sized balls.

I admire your method, but dread the material removal phase. Cutting is faster than grinding...

 

[KMScott]

Yes you are right Jcrapola, there are easier ways to make a ball, if I had a metal lathe instead of the wood lathe that I fit a 3-jaw chuck too then I would step off the radius since most full ball knobs are larger then most radius cutters we have in our toolbox. There is a few members here that have a lathe and are trying to make their own handles and knobs with very few cutters.

 

[Jcrapola]

Yes you are right Jcrapola, there are easier ways to make a ball, if I had a metal lathe instead of the wood lathe that I fit a 3-jaw chuck too then I would step off the radius since most full ball knobs are larger then most radius cutters we have in our toolbox. There is a few members here that have a lathe and are trying to make their own handles and knobs with very few cutters.

We all work with the tools we have.

I assumed you had a full machine shop, because I've seen some of the things you make (very nice indeed). My post was aimed to add to the general knowledge base and add to your post. If it helps somebody we all win!

 

[CwazyWabbit]

drives
From a quick look it seems all original apart from the QR bracket, which is brass coloured and very roughly cast, I have never seen one that wasn't steel before so I think someone may have remade that part. Its in decent condition, not much abuse but its obviously well used, I need to straighten the QR bar because its twisted from use over time.
Pretty sure CW has one from what I can remember, he has most of the rare ones.

I do have one ... somewhere
Yours looks in pretty good condition with some original paint too, they're beefy vices aren't they?

Good find

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Brilliant thanks. Can I just confirm some measurements though.

Sketchup tells me the jaw is appx. 1.95 inches and do you know if the single jaw is the same dimension as the two opposite?

Looks to me like the single (reversible) jaw might be square and the two other jaws at least 5mm shorter.

Cheers.

Screwd.

Watching this with interest as I have a 634 missing all it's pipe jaws.

 

[Craptain]

Thanks drives and hemi. I'm learning. Tubalcain on YouTube has some great beginner lathe videos which have helped me refresh my memory on lathe operation and threading with a die. I kind of cheated on this one starting with an acorn nut, but I still turned it down then ground it smooth. I want to find a radius tool that fits my lathe to make spheres.

There are videos and other resources for making and/or using a ball turning tool. The tool can be bought for under $100 or made if you have access to a mill.

Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk

 

[va.grouseman]

AnotherJarhead[/B];5351279]Ok, I just spent the better part of the last hour trying to search this forum and Google for a question I have. Easier just to ask the minds here. Did Wilton ever make something other than the 600 and 800 with the rear threaded jaws and those nothches? Only in the machinist style is what I guess I'm asking. I saw some of the larger taller vise (C2 maybe?) pictures.

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No one answered AnotherJarhead's question about the 600s and the 800s.---I'd like to know too.---Has anyone ever seen a 500 or 400 with that configuration?

 

[KMScott]

"No one answered AnotherJarhead's question about the 600s and the 800s.---I'd like to know too.---Has anyone ever seen a 500 or 400 with that configuration?"

Not me and I see plenty of jaws. One set of jaws I make are the 6 x 1-1/4 x 5/8 thick with 4" center to center 5/16 screws that were only made for one vise. The earlier C3's. Unless there is a special Wilton made that we have not seen yet.
To change the subject, here is a 5" Wilton with a 10/46 date stamp that I have not seen before. 5 x 3/4 jaws.

 

[Screwdriver]

Great job, the hex bolts for the pipe jaws just scream robust.

I had to laugh when you saved the screws, someone as cheap as I am.

Are the pipe jaws smooth? Hard to tell from the photos? Did you mill them out or tackle them by hand?

I may yet take the hex heads down to a square drive as per the original. I did buy a set of record slow taper screw but they were the wrong size. I believe these are 3/8ths.

I made the new jaws by hand with an angle grinder then finished on a linishing machine with a 36 grit (!) belt. 36 grit has a surface like you spilled a bag of large grain sugar so the surface finish is nice and grippy!

S.

 

[CRSINMICH]

EVERYONE​

There is still time to make your entry for Vise of the Year 2015. Here's the link: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313343

 

[Charles Waugh]

Re: Selling my Parker #436 vise - all 187 pounds of it

That Parker clip I built is steel with an aluminum spacer and then brass shims to dial it in .002" at a time so the backlash is minimal

 

[dutchgray]

I do have one ... somewhere
Yours looks in pretty good condition with some original paint too, they're beefy vices aren't they?

Good find

Yeah its not at all bad, it is definitely heavy duty, its very similar to the Record 11x series from a static jaw side, certainly heavier than I expected.

 

[CRSINMICH]

CwazyWabbit: Are you aware that your vice display stand has been nominated as Vice Accessory of the Year? I think you've got this category locked up. Do you have any more pictures to post?

Click here.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313343&page=2

 

[bagged89s10]

"No one answered AnotherJarhead's question about the 600s and the 800s.---I'd like to know too.---Has anyone ever seen a 500 or 400 with that configuration?"

Not me and I see plenty of jaws. One set of jaws I make are the 6 x 1-1/4 x 5/8 thick with 4" center to center 5/16 screws that were only made for one vise. The earlier C3's. Unless there is a special Wilton made that we have not seen yet.
To change the subject, here is a 5" Wilton with a 10/46 date stamp that I have not seen before. 5 x 3/4 jaws.

I had one of those Chicago Wiltons.

 

[dittle fart around]

View media item 55666
Is this a good price on this anvil? Found on Craigslist Portland Oregon.

 

[KMScott]

I had one of those Chicago Wiltons.

They look like 5 x 1 jaws, owner of the one I posted says the jaws are 5 x 3/4. Yours looks like the medium size jaws 5 x 1. Thanks Veeps

 

[CwazyWabbit]

CwazyWabbit: Are you aware that your vice display stand has been nominated as Vice Accessory of the Year? I think you've got this category locked up. Do you have any more pictures to post?

Click here.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313343&page=2

Unfortunately work and and 'could ya just do this please' seem to have got in the way of vice play time at the moment so I've not really got much done.

Nice to see the nomination Cheers

 

[drivesitfar]

DFA: Anvil looks ok but its only 145 pounds if I remember correctly so unless you really lil the stand or need an anvil I'd say its a couple benji's high. Anvils dont come up often so maybe prices are jumping again if it sells. That guy sells a lot of tools.

 

[TreePointer]

Is this a good price on this anvil? Found on Craigslist Portland Oregon.

The GJ "Show me your ANVIL" discussion if you need it:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33788

 

[CRSINMICH]

Unfortunately work and and 'could ya just do this please' seem to have got in the way of vice play time at the moment so I've not really got much done.

Nice to see the nomination Cheers

CW: I'm sad to report that, when retired, the phrase, "could ya do this please" is replaced by, "well, you're home all the time" and they both get in the way of vice playtime.