Vise assistance needed (AKA I hate liars/equivocators)

[Honda 1]

I also have a Rock Island and it s a good vise. Looking forward to your Part 3 tomorrow to see how this turns out. Good Luck!

 

[autoace]

I thought for sure there would be a Merk post, about the prybars being used in such a manner, in the shop press.

 

[sk farmer]

put em on ebay, sell em to merk, then maybe he could get new ones to polish. every body could be happy.

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

PART III Some good news, Some not.


I managed to get the Vise jaws completely extended.

But I could could not get out the set screw (The torque must have done a number on it)


I had to drill out the set screw I made, Unfortunately I made a mess of the threads. This I will have to fix later by tapping out a larger size. Should not be an issue, but just more time with it.

After the handle turning mechanism came out, the vise jaws were still stuck.. I tried a few techniques. I put them in floor jack, (I don't have a bottle jack, but see the need for one now)

The jacks were absolutely worthless.....

Nothing would get it working. Eventually I just grabbed a hammer and a brass drift and just bashed the hell out of it while lubing with PB.
Finally got it out.

Look at this mess.

The next thing on my checklist was to get the handle working. It was frozen in place. No amount of beating could remove it.

I tried the 20T press, but I could not get it to stay square.

Eventually, I mounted my old trusty Wilton Bullet vise (I have been meaning to do this)




I put the handle in the vise and torqued down all I could. (I turned my head several times thinking something was going to break.



I used a C man wrench as a cheater, After this pic, I could no longer move it. I definitely did not feel comfortable with how much the wrench was bending.

I decided to bring out a dead blow and whack the handle...

It works!!! it is moving!!!

I wire wheeled it and it now slips and slides!!!


Stay tuned for Part IV.

-BWP

 

[kwb]

I enjoy the read and the pictures are cool and all but usually when I get into this sort of adventure, documenting it is about the last thing on my mind.

Git-r-done.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I enjoy the read and the pictures are cool and all but usually when I get into this sort of adventure, documenting it is about the last thing on my mind.

Git-r-done.

That's fer sure, I am exactly the same way!

 

[Honda 1]

Wow! That was a job!
Based on recommendations from various members on the GJ Board, I picked up and used a can of PB Blaster on a plumbing project involving a rusted pipe ******. It didn't seem to do any better than any other product I had used in the past. I was wondering how you would rate the PB Blaster on your project?

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

That's fer sure, I am exactly the same way!

+1... It is a bit of a pain to document... But I enjoy doing it..... Some of us have been through jobs like this before. I just hope that someone can learn from my mistakes; and if they ever do a job like this, then I hope the pics will make it easier for them

-BWP

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

Wow! That was a job!
Based on recommendations from various members on the GJ Board, I picked up and used a can of PB Blaster on a plumbing project involving a rusted pipe ******. It didn't seem to do any better than any other product I had used in the past. I was wondering how you would rate the PB Blaster on your project?

This may be debated, but I have bought Kroil, expecting all the hype. I used both Kroil and PB for several different jobs. I still prefer PB and will recommend it over Kroil any day.

JMHO

-BWP

 

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

BWP, I'm assuming you don't need this vise but are doing it for the challenge?

Enjoying the thread....

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

BWP, I'm assuming you don't need this vise but are doing it for the challenge?

Enjoying the thread....

Damm.... I've become Predicable....

This is what happens when you get to know people on this board.....

Guilty as charged, but for $20 I am going to make this work....

-BWP

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

PART IV

Well, I have been wanting a Blast Cabinet for a while now.

While looking on CL today, one popped up.... Talked to the guy and picked it up on the way home from work. $60.00. It is an HF model and will need some work (New light, and connect the vacuum attachment). I got my shop vac out, but could not find the hose!!!

Hooked her up and put her to work... Hot as hell again today, and I am not going to stay out and do all of the vise. Here is a start.....


BEFORE:

AFTER: (Still needs a little more work)

More to Follow:


-BWP

 

[Uncle Buck]

I am buying the HF model that looks just like that one, but has legs monted to it for $75. Is that the same model as I am buying, but without the legs? Or is it a bit smaller?

 

[chrislehr]

AWESOME thread on how to troubleshoot a vise.

 

[knucklehead]

I just hope that someone can learn from my mistakes

-BWP

from you i learned that when presented with a rusty hulk of steel for cheap it is better to pass on the deal.

just kidding, it is fun to tackle a hopeless project sometimes, but i wouldn't have hurt a wilton vice trying to save this rustacular anvil project.

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

from you i learned that when presented with a rusty hulk of steel for cheap it is better to pass on the deal.

just kidding, it is fun to tackle a hopeless project sometimes, but i wouldn't have hurt a wilton vice trying to save this rustacular anvil project.

No WILTON was harmed in the making of this Thread.


I bought that Wilton about 3 years ago off Ebay, In the picture on Ebay the handle was normal. The seller did a less than adequate job packaging and mailing it off. The handle was bent like that when I got it. I can't bend the damm thing with a cheater.

But I do need to get some heat on it and straighten it out. "next project"

I am buying the HF model that looks just like that one, but has legs monted to it for $75. Is that the same model as I am buying, but without the legs? Or is it a bit smaller?

I think the one with legs is larger, and has a better gun in it.



-BWP

 

[Uncle Buck]

The handle was bent like that when I got it. I can't bend the damm thing with a cheater.

But I do need to get some heat on it and straighten it out.

-BWP

I think you should really bend it cold. I had a bent vise handle on one of my vises, and I simply bent the handle back on a press cold with no problems. I do not think heat would be your friend here.

 

[jamesemery728]

Wow! That was a job!
Based on recommendations from various members on the GJ Board, I picked up and used a can of PB Blaster on a plumbing project involving a rusted pipe ******. It didn't seem to do any better than any other product I had used in the past. I was wondering how you would rate the PB Blaster on your project?

PB has worked great for me on various projects, but the smell.....

It seems to last forever.

 

[bmwpower]

You have a press. Bend the handle back into shape using the press. You have V plates, right?

 

[jhn9840]

Thanks for the pics. Great story. Best part is you ended up with a blast cabinet.

jhn9840
John

 

[a390st]

No heat on the handle, please. I went through vises like candy at my previous job. I just got a bigger one each time until I got one big enough. I wasn't about to pay for it when other people would abuse it, and the owner didn't want to spend the money on what I said we needed. We just kept getting one size bigger until we got what I wanted in the first place. Anyway, I straightened enough handles on the press to get professional certification.

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

I am going to try to use the press to bend it back in place (The WILTON). Thanks for the input all

I have been remiss in my project in that there are several things I have to do now to finish this vise.

#1. My compressor constantly blows the circuit (15A) so everytime I want to use the compressor, I have to run an extension to my Washing machine plug in the house. I stopped at Lowes yesterday and bought the proper guage wire, a 20 Amp breaker and all the necessary stuff to make a dedicated line for the Compressor.

#2. These HF Blast cabinets leave much to be desired. I got the vacuum adaptor installed (I used 3" PVC pipe and a hose adaptor on it - fits real snug too) So now there is no more dust issue.

#3. A. There is no light in this model, so my plan is to buy an HF shop light (Fluourescent $8.99) and use broom clips to install it on the top inside of the Cabinet. Then I have to seal the hole for the electric line (Got foam in a can for this).

B. Since I also have to run the shop vac with this one, I am also going to install a power strip on the back of the cabinet for the light and the shop vac, so I don't have to use multiple extension cords.

C. The interior plexiglas is very foggy. I will try to clean, I may have to replace it.

D. I am going to get a new hand blast nozzle and longer hose (the hose I have on it now is only about 3 feet long. ($17.99 by Clarke at TSC).

Essentially, I don't want to put over $30 in this blast cabinet. I may make a thread on all the improvements that need to be made to make it a well functioning cabinet for little as $$$$ as possible.

Then I can get back to the vise... I picked up paint for it yesterday.

I have a busy weekend coming up. I have to work this weekend and the A/C in my truck $#it the bed. Yesterday I evacuated it and now have to put in a new compressor, orifice tube and accumulator.

Every extra minute I have has been in the garage trying to make things "right".



-BWP

 

[fatfillup]

BWP, thanks for the documentation, I redoing a wilton right now. Not quite the rehab project you took on though. Also just got a blast cabinet and am using baking soda as the media. Not real aggressive but seems adequate for light rust and paint removal. Soda does an amazing job on knurled ratchet handles, doen't seem to hurt good chrome but does leave a shiney patina on satin finish. I'll start a thread with pics soon.

 

[Coach James]

BWP thanks for taking the time to document all of this. I'll add the set screw from a bolt to my list of ticks.

Coach

 

[riley.m]

BWP thanks for taking the time to document all of this. I'll add the set screw from a bolt to my list of ticks.

Coach

i wonder if a grade eight bolt would have held up?

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

i wonder if a grade eight bolt would have held up?

That comment was going to go in my final "lessons learned" comments.

A higher grade bolt should be used. I used a bolt from the HF big "Box o' Bolts".

For a low torque application (or if I was not going to take it back apart) this 'softer' bolt/screw probably would have worked fine, however when trying to remove it is when the issue occured.

I have since gone to Lowes and picked up a proper set screw for the tensile strength that the spindle/vise requires.

-BWP

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

OK... I guess I have been moping around long enough... Time to get back to some fun.

From a previous episode:

I was having issues with my used HF blast cabinet. Hard to see what is going on in there. So today, I hit my HF and got some stuff to get things going:


I bought a fluorescent work light and some storage clips used for hanging up brooms and such....

Then I cut the clips so I could use them horizontally instead of vertically:

Here is my plan: use the clips to hold the light in place:

Next I removed the glass:

Then put the clips upside down on top to mark for drill holes:

Got the pilot holes in, Now to waller them out a little:

Installed nuts and bolts

Replaced the glass.... And now have an illuminated cabinet: Less than $20.00

I thought about using a regular fluorescent light from a box store, but I could not find one that had any plastic protection over it, so I figure this should work for a while:


-BWP

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

OK....

Now back to my vice, the vise:


Sandblasted and brass wheeled the parts:

Starting with the Spindle: (note the retainer and set screw to the left, I went to Lowe's and got a properly sized and hardened set screw. Ended up having to re-tap to a size larger but I reinstalled it and removed it with no issues).

Then the moving part (what is this called?)

Coats of Primer:

After suitable drying and an additional coat of primer; The paint went on:

It is interesting how the blue paint tape looked on it....Hmmm may give me an idea... I could make this into a Captain America vise


Stay tuned for the next episode!!!

-BWP

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

All Complete.... Finished painting... INTRODUCING ........The OHIO STATE BUCKEYES VISE!!!!


Works great too. Fingertip closes and opens!!!!

Grand total $20.00 for vise. $9.99 for paint = $29.99 Total!!!!


BEFORE:

AFTER:

-BWP

 

[bmwpower]

Haha. Curious...what made you go with those colors?

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

Haha. Curious...what made you go with those colors?

Because of OHIO!!!

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=22

(Wife had some say so as well...)

-BWP

 

[bmwpower]

Because of OHIO!!!

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=22

-BWP

Oh, that 'splains it.

 

[old salvage]

Nice job bwp !!
A working vise from what seemed hopeless.

 

[wantedabiggergarage]

Very happy to see this come to a successful conclusion. Although I liked your captain America paint idea better.