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My Escape-2982sqft Shop/Garage/Hobby Epicenter in Wisconsin

So--like many of the other threads on here have given to me a plethora of thoughts and ideas and lessons learned through reading, I intend to give back a little. A few years ago when I came across this forum I enjoyed the reads created by other members about vintage tools and soon realized the extensive efforts of many to document their hobby including mechanical and wood-crafting and the spaces which were purpose built for such activities. I long dreamt of having space to house all of my stress-relievers in one location.

Little background on me--I grew up in southeastern Wisconsin and joined the Marines when I was 18.. After nine years on active duty I made the difficult choice to leave in 2008 and see if I could make it on the outside--maybe my confidence was high even while the economy took a nosedive and I had no exact plan when I get out other than to "make it work". I soon found myself working way too many hours as a second-hand mechanic in a good friends diesel repair shop and knew it wasn't meant to last forever. The work sucked and I lost my drive for my own wrench-turning hobby. I soon found myself in a favorable position of "public service" which catered very well to my appreciation of the military way of life, albeit as a civilian.

Moving on down the road I'm with a woman who is supportive of all of my hobbies and appreciates the work and effort required to rehabilitate a forgotten mechanical relic, old vehicle or make from scratch a simple craft from wood or metal. She further knows that such hobbies require space as long as the interior of the house is not destined to have the appearance of a hoarder or interior junkyard. I too do not want the inside of my home to be occupied like a multi-unit workshop.

So--approximately a year and a half ago we settled into a house in southeastern Wisconsin which allows for both of our commutes into Illinois to be bearable after finding a very comfortable older house at a price were able to stretch for. Both the Ms. and I already have two houses from previous lives which we are able to maintain and rent out in order to save ourselves from the bankruptcy route or handing the property back to the bank and losing all the money previously invested. So--we are making it work. Before we bought our current home I made a call to the village and asked what the limitations were on building sizes and was told "1500sqft"... Hmm--ok, that'd work and we had about 1.5 acres to play with having lovely trees and lots of grass. So--we eventually bought the house and moved in..

I tried my best to become friendly with the village zoning head, although difficult, eventually I found a warm spot and was able to have a human conversation with him where he offered some practical advice on how to obtain permission to go "big". The property we had bought was actually two separate residential lots and I was told that "you can not build (a garage) on an empty lot".. Hmmm.. So--I had to merge the two properties into one.. No big deal--had to hire an attorney ($$) to do the paperwork and that took about 4 months to get done.. Next--I had to petition the village to modify the ordinance (decided with some recommendations this was the best idea as a variance could get potentially denied). So--after another four months and lots of phone calls I get good news. I review the modified ordinance and see that it allows for a 3000sqft structure on a lot my size.. Well--we all know that space creates vacuum--so what the heck I spoke with the Ms and explained to her that 2400sqft was nice, but why not max out the space although it'd be a little more expensive (but much more roomy and comfortable). I shot for the moon and here's what I ended up with: (Mind you--I kind of hate it that a lot of space is being eaten up by the building, however my grass cutting times will be shortened-no pun intended-no more storage costs, and all my "junk" stays in one place! No trees will be harmed in the process).

So--I did a lot of reading online and talking with friends whom have structures for their hobby lives and decided for cost and practicality that a wood-framed pole barn is a great way to go. I can also segment the project by contracting the building of the barn (would love to have built myself, but my brand new baby doesn't need my attention pulled away from him for his first year) and later having the concrete and necessary utilities installed which my current bank account can't support. So--after all the reading and researching and finding a suitable builder-the plan calls for a 42'x71' pole building with scissor trusses allowing plenty of height for a post lift eventually (11'6" at the wall and approximately 14' and change in the center). The building will have 24" overhangs on all sides, 18'x11' door on one end, 2 x 10x10' doors on the opposite end, 8x8' door on the north side and four windows with a man door. The garage is not destined to be fancy--but I don't want it to look out of place in a residential area. Granted--when spring/summer is here, many of the mature trees will block the view of the garage as I'm at a dead end street and I don't want it to be totally in plain view.

Currently I have plans from Cleary and Pekul, Pekul is a local builder and I've seen a number of their buildings and they are quality built. The owner came and scouted my property and is very non-sales approach in his business. Cleary--well, a good product and well known--I just don't like the sales pitch and the prices is just slightly higher than Pekul while Cleary would be using lesser quality components (garage doors). I'm going to attempt to attach pictures of the general appearance of the building and the floorplan which I intend to accomplish. I have a friend-of-a-friend who has his own excavating business who will build the leveled pad with stone and also will put a crushed stone driveway on my property for a very reasonable price thankfully. Pending the departure of this snow on the ground, he said he could start ground work next week.

Either way--this is only "the beginning".. I'm sure there will still be some hurdle$ down the road.. I still have to sell off the '99 Harley Springer and my '95 Scamp Trailer to make ends meet--shouldn't be too difficult though..
 

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For those of you curious about perspective here's an overhead courtesy of googlemaps with the mapdata removed and also an edited version of the survey.. For comparison the house is 1900sqft..

Please don't expect a ton of rapid activity on this.. I have to get clearance from the planning commission next week for the building peak to exceed 16' foot and see if they'll approve 22', although 20-1/2" will be sufficient.. (And yes--that is a basketball court in the backyard from the previous owners--its a 40x60' measured asphalt pad which need minor repair and serves for some good random activity time with the Ms. or anyone else who cares to shoot some baskets.

Also--some of the "stuff" that'll be moved into the garage once it is ready..
 

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Here's a few other pics.. The '62 VW started pretty humbly as a simple $1300.00 project (got a little out of hand..)
The '62 Falcon--well that one was a father-son project gone wrong with some bad advice.. It's a huge moneypit that I will finish after the suburban..

Also is a picture of the Appleton Lights which will be installed with new wiring and CFL or LED bulbs.. The way I found them--and how they turned out after cleaning all the old paint off of them. I have another set of Crouse-Hinds lights for the exterior that need to be re-done still.. (yes--some additional lighting may be installed should I need a brighter level of lighting indoors..)
 

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Should give you plenty of space. I grew up in that part of Wisc.. Nice folks, and some pretty country, but they sure like their rules and regulations. Mike
 

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with 9 years of active duty on the books I hope you hooked up with a Reserve Component and qualified for retirement. I had a lot of active duty and, with my Army Reserve time folded in I got a nice retirement at age 60.

Looking at your plan I don't see a walk door. Just windows and rollup garage doors. Also no resting facilities. I know that there is a patch of woods close by and with your Marine Corps background it is a suitable alternative. However, the lady in your life and other visitors to your shop may object to going out in the woods, where the bears play, armed only with an entrenching tool.
 
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with 9 years of active duty on the books I hope you hooked up with a Reserve Component and qualified for retirement. I had a lot of active duty and, with my Army Reserve time folded in I got a nice retirement at age 60.

Looking at your plan I don't see a walk door. Just windows and rollup garage doors. Also no resting facilities. I know that there is a patch of woods close by and with your Marine Corps background it is a suitable alternative. However, the lady in your life and other visitors to your shop may object to going out in the woods, where the bears play, armed only with an entrenching tool.

Bibs...
I did belong to a reserve unit briefly and after a deployment with the active duty guys as a reservist and the piss-poor support given to us, I opted out after a year and a half. It wasn't worth the headaches and poor leadership efforts while I was expected to manage a group of unemployed jarheads who just wanted to collect an easy paycheck one weekend a month. Needless to say--it wasn't meeting my expectations any more while I was enjoying my full time gig..

And--on the other note--if you look at the west end of the garage seen in the first image, the man door is on the end which faces the house with the two 10x10' doors.. There is less than 100' between me and the "resting facilities" in the house for #2 activities--and #1 will be limited to the nearby wildlife resting area as I do not particularly favor the smell of summertime urine. I will probably have a water line eventually plumbed to the garage, but that would be the last utility I consider as electric and possibly natural gas is more important for what I intend to do.. However--if I end up living in the garage, then a "drain" of sorts may be needed or a fancy wooded outhouse.. :lol:

Should give you plenty of space. I grew up in that part of Wisc.. Nice folks, and some pretty country, but they sure like their rules and regulations. Mike

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yeah... But I was in Lake County, IL where the Ms. and I own both the other houses and the rules and reg's (and taxes) there are much worse.. Things here are still a 'lil rural and I'm hoping I'm getting this task done before other politicians try enforcing more rules creating larger hurdles for guys like us who just want their spaces to play..
 
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It looks as if you have a good master plan. Being that I am located a few miles from you but in a different township ( Mt. Pleasant) I still know what a headache the local authorities can give you when proposing a new building. I had to jump through a few hoops to build my shop even though I am on 24 acres that is zoned agriculture. They will give you grief about running water to the building, so I suggest you bury the line(PEX) after the inspector leaves. It is totally legal for you to install a drain and run the line to grade outside the building. As dumb as that sounds, it is what I was able to do. I purchased a permit for $40 and installed three floor drains, the inspector came out and looked at the rough in and asked where the pipe leaving the foundation was. I showed him that it went out to the farm field, he said OK good and signed off on the project.
Good luck on the project, I will be following your progress.
 

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Welcome back to Wisconsin and thank you for your service to this great country!

Sure looks like this structure plan will eventually be something of great significance, especially an automotive hobby shop. Looking forward to watching the progress!
 
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It looks as if you have a good master plan. Being that I am located a few miles from you but in a different township ( Mt. Pleasant) I still know what a headache the local authorities can give you when proposing a new building. I had to jump through a few hoops to build my shop even though I am on 24 acres that is zoned agriculture. They will give you grief about running water to the building, so I suggest you bury the line(PEX) after the inspector leaves. It is totally legal for you to install a drain and run the line to grade outside the building. As dumb as that sounds, it is what I was able to do. I purchased a permit for $40 and installed three floor drains, the inspector came out and looked at the rough in and asked where the pipe leaving the foundation was. I showed him that it went out to the farm field, he said OK good and signed off on the project.
Good luck on the project, I will be following your progress.

Yes sir.. You're just down the road (or up the road) from me and I'm sure have dealt with the same sort of small town bureaucracy. I began looking around when we first moved as I saw all sorts of nice outbuildings on small properties, the only thing I did not realize at the time was the village borders with relation to the county properties being so close and irregularly located. I will take into consideration your idea about the drain as there is a runoff into a swamp area immediately to the northeast of my corner property that I could drain into (really just water anyway--) or off into the south edge of my property which is all wooded anyway.. (the trees should like it..)
Thanks for the well wishes--this will take a while.:)

Welcome back to Wisconsin and thank you for your service to this great country!

Sure looks like this structure plan will eventually be something of great significance, especially an automotive hobby shop. Looking forward to watching the progress!

PS-Glad to be back for the most part--always much better views up this way!! Thanks again for the well wishes!
 

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Good luck.

In for updates.

My bugs been in the garage since October of last year since I had my son in March this year.
 
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Well.. Here's a quick update.. The village Planning Commission approved my oversized building height request and I'm now just waiting for all the paperwork to get drafted by the builder.. Also--need some of this snow to disappear so my excavator can get in and level the yard..
I was given the go ahead to exceed the 16' peak limit and they granted me room to go to 21'.. I think they would have allowed more, but I wasn't trying to get greedy and I really don't want some towering monstrosity anyway..
After some thinking-the Ms. and I decided on this style of building seen here>> Same colors, just with my floorplan.. My building will basically be an enlarged style of the one pictured here.
It's all just time and money from here.
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So... all is good in the neighborhood.. I signed papers with the builder this week.. Now I just have to get my buddy here when some of this snow is gone and have him move some dirt around and lay stone.. Pretty damned ready to get a singular enclosed storage and work space!!!
 
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Here's some updates... The ground is all torn up, pad is basically compacted and the base just has to be finished. A driveway will also be done with crushed/recycled concrete/cement which contains a Portland mix which the excavator said would compact as well as limestone.. We shall see.. The dozer and roller give a little perspective of the size.. Pretty happy with the initial cuts..

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So.. yesterday morning (04-19-16) the crew of guys from Pekul Buildings arrived bright and early and really laid down some hours and got about 80% of the framework done before the sun went down.. Couple of younger guys stayed later than the rest and continued nailing the roof purlins in place. Thus far, I'm very impressed with the overall uniform work and clean details in the build.

This is the view looking from east to west at the 18' door opening.
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Here's a view of the extra robust scissor trusses.. Those are 2x12' chords on the top and bottom I believe..
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Here's a picture looking back from the inside through the east-facing door.
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And.. they arrived nice and early again this morning and got right back to business finishing off all the framing and beginning the skinning process. I really like that they pre-drilled all of the sheetmetal and everything is perfectly lined up and no puckered screw locations. From watching the crew for a little bit I took notice that this is the most tedious part of the job it appears.

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This is the view looking through one of the 10' doors on the west side.
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This is the extra 8x8' door I asked for at the far east end of the north wall. I'm glad I opted for this as it will likely be the main entry point for most of my activities.
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Like I said--so far so good and I'm very happy with the color choices. The main color of the walls is very close to the siding on my home. I think it should match very nicely. I've had lots of lookers coming down the street after seeing the build from the main road. The mailman drove by with his window down and all I heard was "holy ****" and when he noticed me standing in the yard we had a good laugh. Clearly-he wasn't expecting to see the building on the property.
 

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Why would you not use a 12' Single Door on one gable end.

With your scissor trusses wouldn't you be able to get a 12' Trailer/Truck/Vehicle
in the bldg ????
 
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42x71...that's yuge! Looks good!

Why would you not use a 12' Single Door on one gable end.

With your scissor trusses wouldn't you be able to get a 12' Trailer/Truck/Vehicle
in the bldg ????

HRJoe... Thanks--the woman in my life is pretty great for letting me exhaust MY bank account temporarily to get this place built.. Been saving for the past two years for this project--finally coming together!

CamarosRus... I put the doors on both ends as I felt it was the most versatile use of openings possible even though it cost more. Also--I don't know if some day I want to section off an area either for dedicated wood work or even painting--or if the woman gets upset--I may need to live out there! With an 18' door, I'm pretty unlimited with what I may want to fit inside. With the two 10' doors I can have them open for whatever reason. With the small 8' door, that'll most likely be my main entry point with cars most of the time. I feel that I've got a ton of flexibility with the various entries.
 
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Well--here's the results of three days work and I'm pretty damned impressed.. Couple very minor issues to talk with the builder about, but I'm very happy as it is.. For those wondering what "minor" is, there's an empty panel screw hole on the south side that somehow got missed, a pucker dent over top of one of the windows and a small "lift" at the bottom of one of the roof panels.. All in all, many people may never notice such things.. The doors aren't on yet and I'm not sure when those will be installed, but I wouldn't mind them being left off until after concrete is poured to minimize risk of damage and allow for greater access when pouring concrete. Without further yapping-here are some pictures from last night-

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Yes.. they really got the job done fast.. My neighbor commented that "they must not be union employee's".. Many of us probably know what that means..
Doors go on tomorrow and local concrete contractor is coming out to give me a quote as well as the local electric/gas company.. Hopefully the cost for utilities installed isn't too crazy.
 
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So--here's another update albeit a few weeks now since the work was done. After getting a variety of different quotes for the concrete work and the plans described by each contractor being oddly different-I opted for Bill Glembocki Concrete out of New Munster, WI.. The quoted job was very reasonable and he offered up his plan for completion which left little to be desired. I had already purchased the Certifoam 25 foam board for the perimeter and the 10-Mil Extreme Vapor Barrier from Concrete Solutions. Bill was on the mark with understanding my plans for use of the building and said the metal mesh along with the fiber would be the best bet. I only asked that the posts be wrapped to segregate them from the slab which was readily tended to. Bill and his crew didn't have any "indoor" jobs lined up and within a week of getting the proposal signed the ****** weather had him at my property. The grading inside the barn was finished and all the materials laid out on day one...
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On day two and three the pour was completed along with help from another local company, KW Concrete. The cutouts at each door are all uniform and the power troweled finish is nice. The sawcut a are also nicely done and aside from having to burn off some of the fiber and get the concrete nice and clean in the upcoming weeks, it will be ready for sealer and topcoat.

Of note-the cool weather and rain allowed me to wet the concrete the first few days to slow the cure and Mother Nature was kind so no sealer was applied leaving the concrete virgin.

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At this point I'm pretty garage poor and need to save for insulation and electrical installation--but the structure is done. Also next on the list is to get the yard manicured...

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Concrete surface turned out very nice..

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Here's the updates and adventures in picking up salvage materials..
Aside from a deconstructed carriage garage/barn from Rochester, WI for all the wood siding, I've now got about 2600sqft of tinplate from Mt Carroll, Il which will blend with the wood..

I've gotten a system finally going with sealing the spaces between the exterior sheetmetal/wainscoting using some of the tricks others have used here.. Instead of spray foam to further seal I decided to use the asphalt/foil tape used for sealing up door and window frames--worked pretty good.
Also--instead of placing the lower bookshelf wall joist at the floor, I used concrete joint foam as a buffer between the wood and concrete floor. Here's some pictures--

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And--this is what happens to a Harbor Freight trailer axle when it's severely overloaded.. -and blows out two tires.. I'm guessing about 2300lbs on the trailer--either way the trailer frame was sitting right on the leaf springs..

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And here's a sample of just one of the stamps on the tin roofing..

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So--here are a few updates from recent weeks.. Things go slow due to a ridiculous workload to pay the bills, and a small human taking up time at home.. Can't really complain about the latter!!

Anyway--I figure out cutting the corrugated steel with my carbide blade-equipped Skil worm-drive works perfect.. Actually better than any of the other processes I've tried. Just makes a hell of a mess and the flying metal makes a mess IN the garage. Also--I've gotten the walls all finished for the most part with R19 mineral wool Knauf insulation with 1/2" OSB covering it all. The ceiling is now getting R30 Knauf mineral wool batts put in. It's a lot of fun--not actually, but the cooler days are making it more enjoyable. The ceiling runs the course of the top truss chord and consists of 2x4 secured with USP joist hangers screwed to the truss. The ceiling insulation is getting covered with vapor barrier after each section is laid up. It's a slow process--but I think the finished ceiling appearance will be well worth it.

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looks pretty good.

did you put the steel and the chair rail over the osb or start the osb above it?



The steel and cedar trim is on top of the OSB sheathing.. My reasoning for the steel aside from looks is that area of walls in the garage is likely to take the most punishment.. Also--on the opposite long wall I'll have corrugated steel run the whole wall from cedar base to the ceiling.. I bet my mom that I had enough steel to cover the wall--hope I'm right. [emoji51]





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oh wow, what do you plan on putting on that wall? mounting anything to it?


Not sure yet.. I have cabinets to hang--probably will end up with those on the wall with the windows.. I will likely get pallet racks for heavier storage purposes as I don't want to put much up on the walls although the walls are built plenty strong.


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Awesome Build HF. Thanks for taking the time to document the construction.

Did you foil tape over the windows and doors? I just noticed on my barn I need to seal those areas.
 

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Great looking shop! I like the use of the reclaimed corrugated material.
 
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