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Stuart in MN

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I've seen that method used a few times in Minnesota but it's uncommon. The problem is it takes a lot of trucks (which costs money) and then you have to find a place to dump the snow. Of course, the alternative is to just have high piles of snow on either side of the street, but it's something you just get used to dealing with.

In the inner city where I live the streets aren't that wide to begin with, so after a few big snowfalls they end up being only wide enough for one car.
 

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Much of the Montreal snow winds up dumped into the river. The South Shore (where I am) sends it to snow dumps where they use even bigger blowers to stack that snow 50+' high. Those piles can last until June.
 

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Much of the Montreal snow winds up dumped into the river. The South Shore (where I am) sends it to snow dumps where they use even bigger blowers to stack that snow 50+' high. Those piles can last until June.

I always used to bet my son how long the one behind Champlain College would last.
 

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When we used to have snow removal in our neighborhood, it was done by a private contractor.

3 plow trucks would come down the street staggered. The middle one would push to both sides and the side ones would neatly flip snow up on the berm on either side.

One run down the street and they were done.

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At the cottage they actually come by mid season to knock down the top of the banks because there is no room left to push it. no dumping here.
 

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They worry about salt and other contaminants in the snow here, so it goes into big piles and not into the river. By the time those piles melt in the spring, they're just a big pile of salty dirt.
 

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They worry about salt and other contaminants in the snow here, so it goes into big piles and not into the river. By the time those piles melt in the spring, they're just a big pile of salty dirt.

So where does it go as it melts?
 

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It goes into the storm drains and eventually makes it to the rivers and streams, is my guess.
I ask a parking attendant at our local hospital why part of the parking lot was blocked off.
He said that's where they pile the snow because the large field was deemed wetlands.
 

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Around here they pile it in a local marina parking lot. I have a buddy that works for the city and he spent the winter in a heated Bobcat pushing snow down the boat ramp into the river from the parking lot.
 

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We see that several times a winter here in the downtown area, the snow gets piled in a containment pond near the river and gets run through the waste water processing plant in the spring and summer before being dumped into the St.Louis river bay.
 

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Here in the states we can not dump into the lake or river thanks to EPA, heavy metals and such. But then if a milk truck rolls over they call in the hazmat crew, milk causes algea blooms in the water in the ditch.
 

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just back from dropping my daughter off at work downtown. She flipped out at how everyone's parked in the middle of the road. Her first time. Gotta say, it was a lot easier negotiating that mess when I drove a Dodge Colt.
 

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This is how they handle Main St here and many similar cities like Appleton. It is too narrow for that much snow, so the banks are plowed into the street and blown in the same manner or picked up with loaders.

At the cottage they actually come by mid season to knock down the top of the banks because there is no room left to push it. no dumping here.

Not practical on small streets. Yeah, on big roads they come in with graders and wing plows and push the banks back a few feet.

Here in the states we can not dump into the lake or river thanks to EPA, heavy metals and such. But then if a milk truck rolls over they call in the hazmat crew, milk causes algea blooms in the water in the ditch.

Are you sure on that? Our storm sewers go right to the lakes, so all the snow would end up there anyway.
 

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Here in the states we can not dump into the lake or river thanks to EPA, heavy metals and such. But then if a milk truck rolls over they call in the hazmat crew, milk causes algea blooms in the water in the ditch.

JMO but rather strange to see supposedly less-regulated states overreacting. NYC always did and still does as shown in the video during their annual nor'easter, FEL's into dumps then into the rivers. As for milk tankers, they tip over all the time near my folks' upstate, the answer is always to crack the top lid or torch a hole and let it dump into the ditch. The rotting milk usually stinks for a few days after, but occasionally the fire dept will water it down which helps quite a bit.

City snow removal is interesting but I like to see the deep snow removal a bit more. This was taken after 200" fell in 48 hours a few years ago near my folks. In that area there are quite a few of the old Walter "snow fighter" trucks still in use with 10-15' high V-blades, and seeing snow banks 20' high for miles alongside the road is pretty common.
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Our street gets plowed with a Medium Wheel Loader. The city has a lot of them purchased. Though that's not looking likely this year as it's barely even been cold enough for snow this year.

I think it's really cool to see a Motor Grader and V blade / snow wing when they get a big curl of snow going.
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I've seen some videos at work of MG just flying along country roads with giant waves of snow crashing to the sides. That pictures the best example I could find.
 

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We use similar methods at the city I work for: use a road grader to wing the snow into wind rows, then the loader with the blower blows the snow right into one of our 3 plow trucks with snow boxes. We dump the snow in an empty area near the river..we usually do this at 2 am when we get measurable amounts of snow..

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Here in the states we can not dump into the lake or river thanks to EPA, heavy metals and such. But then if a milk truck rolls over they call in the hazmat crew, milk causes algea blooms in the water in the ditch.


...and of course, the salt started out in the ground, is totally natural, and the oceans are full of it, but we can't let any go back to where it came from! :S
 

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Are you sure on that? Our storm sewers go right to the lakes, so all the snow would end up there anyway.

I know, but the thought process is it will be filtered into the ground water slowly, just like my neighbor has a free flowing artisan well on his property, so do I but it can not be found easily. The County contacted state EPA and he received a notice to stop the water flow or he would be fined. Asked how and why and they said your problem not ours and when the river floods flood water could go down the well and back into the drinking water aquifers. He tried to have it plugged twice and it blew the plug out both times. They left him alone after that.:headscrat
 

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This was taken after 200" fell in 48 hours a few years ago near my folks. In that area there are quite a few of the old Walter "snow fighter" trucks still in use with 10-15' high V-blades, and seeing snow banks 20' high for miles alongside the road is pretty common.
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Aw, come on now. A search of NY snowfall records shows that unofficially 77 inches fell in 24 hours in Montague and 141 inches fell in ten days in Redfield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tug_Hill

Nowhere close to 200 inches in 48 hours.
 

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In Montreal, I do not think they are dumping snow directly into the river anymore. When I was young this was normal but no longer and as for the salt that is spread on the streets, this has changed. They no longer spead salt liberally, there is a mixture of salt and abrasives like small gravel.
 

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In that area there are quite a few of the old Walter "snow fighter" trucks still in use with 10-15' high V-blades, and seeing snow banks 20' high for miles alongside the road is pretty common.

I grew up in that area - 220" annual snowfall. Those plows might be big, but they're not 15 feet high. They would not fit under bridges. With the wings fully raised on the big V-plows the banks might get to be 12'-14' high or so. The Oskosh 4 wheel drives with V-Plow and wings could move a lot of snow. I've seen them opening rural roads with 4' - 5' feet deep snow in them. The county had a couple of old 6x6 Army trucks for spreading sand. Too much snow (and too cold) for salt to have much effect, in the spring there would be huge piles of sand along the shoulder of the road.

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It was a fun place to live as a kid but now it would be a complete pain to have to deal with all that snow on a regular basis.

Did I read correctly that you are relocating to NY? Why in the world would you do that? The taxes are horrendous and the manufacturers are leaving in droves.
 
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In Montreal, I do not think they are dumping snow directly into the river anymore. When I was young this was normal but no longer and as for the salt that is spread on the streets, this has changed. They no longer spead salt liberally, there is a mixture of salt and abrasives like small gravel.

T'as bien raison.

http://www.bill613.com/montreal/where-does-all-the-snow-go/

I thought those snow chutes went to the storm drains.

http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/portal/page?_pageid=8397,94629672&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
 

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No salt, but.....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34793636

Good old Chuck was on the news complaining about this, not sure he even knows what way the St. Lawrence flows...


Old news and worthless. The entire thing was a media circus. Every engineer and environmental expert consulted said it was a non event. No harm done. The amount sounds huge, but in terms of volume, it was less than a minute's river flow. Every EPA had signed off on it until the media heard and the politicians had to pretend to do something. All they did was delay it to near the point where it endangered a major system repair. They delayed hoping someone would give them something they could use to ban the dump. None did, because there was no reason to. Many protesters went down to the outlet where it dumped into the river ... and totally failed to notice any difference. They didn't know when it started, or when it stopped. Just the press writing their paycheques, nothing more.
 
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Did I read correctly that you are relocating to NY? Why in the world would you do that? The taxes are horrendous and the manufacturers are leaving in droves.

What are the Taxes in NY. Cant be as bad as here.

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