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Help on forged steel vise

visedog

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Hello!

I am a new member posting from India.

Here we have very few good vises. Most are either locally made, or imported from China. Since I have read some of the threads in this forum on good bench vises, I was wondering what you guys thing about this claimed
engineers (I suppose machinists) vise with a steel fabrication:

http://www.groz.com.au/fabricated-steel-bench-vises-straight-jaw-groz.html

Is this any good? The 8" version (in which I am interested) weighs in at 84 lb and costs about US $230 in a local store.

Any suggestions will be appreciated:)

Thanks!
 
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If the build quality is decent though, that should be a decent vice. That's the design which record used for their Leader model, which has become quite a desirable vice for some.

Thanks! I will go for it and will post later about the build quality.
 
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Thanks! I will go for it and will post later about the build quality.

On second thought, it may be better to get more advice on this vise.

I googled "Record Leader" and got this:
http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/record-leader-vice-any-info.32658/

My impression is the Record vise has a much thicker base plate than the Groz version:
http://www.groz.com.au/fabricated-steel-bench-vises-straight-jaw-groz.html

which indicates a lesser build of the Groz vise.

Any thoughts on this comparison?
 
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I have the Matador Ridgid branded vise similar to what you posted.

It is a very nice vise, maybe not as stout as the older cast USA vices, but for everyday use it is exceptional.

The only downside is the non replaceable jaws. Which doesnt seem to be the case with your linked version.

If you dont have access to old USA vices, these are a good option.

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I doubt it will be to quite the same quality level as the Record version was, but the Record's are no longer made and would have cost a damn sight more when they were, so a slightly lesser build quality is to be expected for the price.
 

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Hello!

I am a new member posting from India.

Here we have very few good vises. Most are either locally made, or imported from China. Since I have read some of the threads in this forum on good bench vises, I was wondering what you guys thing about this claimed
engineers (I suppose machinists) vise with a steel fabrication:

http://www.groz.com.au/fabricated-steel-bench-vises-straight-jaw-groz.html

Is this any good? The 8" version (in which I am interested) weighs in at 84 lb and costs about US $230 in a local store.

Any suggestions will be appreciated:)

Thanks!


I've seen that style vise offered by companies in the USA and Europe, and the impression I got from looking at varios tool manufacturers websites was that the vises were either made in China or possibly India. Some of the companies who sell the vises also sell high quality items, so the vises may be well made, but I have also found the same or similar vises sold thru lower cost manufacturers.

The other problem with trying to tell quality is that different nanufacturers will sometimes manufacture vises that look almost identicle but with different materials or to different quality levels.
 
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I doubt it will be to quite the same quality level as the Record version was, but the Record's are no longer made and would have cost a damn sight more when they were, so a slightly lesser build quality is to be expected for the price.

Yes, an original Record vise, when it was being manufactured 30 years ago, would have cost thrice this Groz version. We will have to accept a decline in the quality which comes at the cheap price. Thanks for your helpful suggestions.
 
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visedog

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Yost makes the FSV-7, which is a 7" forged steel vise that looks almost exactly like the Matador/Ridgid forged steel vises, but it is cheaper. It is made in Taiwan, but I don't know about availability or pricing in India. In the US one can be had for about $340 delivered, so it would probably cost more than your current option. Bessey also makes the BV-DF8SB, which is a made in Europe 8" forged steel vise, but it is even more expensive than the Yost.

All that being said, I think the vise you originally posted would work fine for most purposes. I would feel confident that you could hammer on that vise with little risk as long as you didn't go crazy. You could also re-weld it if it cracks, weld in reinforcement if you find an area of weakness over time, etc. so you really don't have much to lose by trying it out. It sounds like you don't have a whole lot of options where you are at, so a few compromises will have to be made because of that fact. The jaws would work well for grabbing anything flat surfaced, but they won't work well for anything round. Something like the Yost FSV-7 has secondary pipe jaws to help hold round stock. Due to the design, I would be careful about trying to clamp down hard on something only held out towards the end of the jaws.

General Geoff is right about the jaw geometry being a little weak, but I don't think the design would be an issue under normal use (no extension pipe on the handle). The vertical metal plates are quite thick, so them bending over time would not be much of a concern in my mind. In my attached picture I show the two areas I would expect to be the weakest points in terms of future cracking if the jaws are consistently clamped shut too hard. I would expect a crack or metal deformation to occur on both sides where I have it marked in orange. The anvil behind the fixed jaw plate does help to add support to the weak areas, but it is smaller and shorter than would be ideal.

Perfect vertical jaw alignment is key when you need to clamp down hard on something to hold it in place and keep it from moving, so preventing mis-alignment is important. You could take the hardened vise jaws off, cut the vertical steel plates a little shorter, re-drill the holes for the jaws lower and then re-mount them. Re-positioning the vise jaws lower would help reduce the forces on the weaker area at the bottom of the fixed jaw, and lessen the chance of cracking (or metal deformation) there over time. You would have a geometrically stronger jaw setup for no cost and very little effort. It could all be done with hand tools and a drill if you had to. You would have to be okay with having less vertical jaw depth if you did that though.

Good luck, and let us know what you end up doing. Also, welcome to Garagejournal. It is especially nice seeing a new member from outside the US. Discussions are more interesting and insightful when there is more diversity within the membership.

Thanks for the detailed advice. I appreciate it, especially the figure with markings.

Yes, sharp corners are bad for stress concentration and this particular vise (Groz) has many of them. I too agree with General Geoff about the lack of jaw support. However, under my limited options, this appears to be the best one for the moment.

Thanks for suggesting Yost and Bessey, but since they are to be imported here, one has to pay almost 50% additional price as customs duty. That is why I have left Messrs. Yost, Bessey, Ridgid, Wilton out of my range of options.

After reading you gentlemen, I have decided to go for the Groz vise, although I am not sure I will be carrying out the modifications suggested by you (for the time being). If something does break, then the welding option is available (which is not in the case of cast iron vises).

Thank you everyone!:beer:
 
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I was just looking around the internet some more and I found this website. Ajay makes several steel bench vises, and they are made in India. I don't know how they are in terms of pricing, but they seem to be a little better designed than what you are currently looking at.

http://www.ajayind.com/vices.html

I am sorry, but Ajay does not make good vises. I have tried one of their products, and it turned out to be cheaply made and flimsy.:mad:
 
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