G20-Budo
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Drives, I'm planning paint.. Infact I purchased the paint a few months ago, but it got all cold here, so I put it to the side until it warms up again.
Note: Those copper jaw covers look NICE! Do they have them in 4.5"?
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Drives, I'm planning paint.. Infact I purchased the paint a few months ago, but it got all cold here, so I put it to the side until it warms up again.
Note: Those copper jaw covers look NICE! Do they have them in 4.5"?
Outlawmws
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Wow, the first 1000 pages took well past 5 years, the second 1000 barely a year and 4 months... 
drivesitfar
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Dave: usually MADE IN CANADA vices are up there in same quality range as old US and English vises (vices) so i'd say yes and post pictures of it. i've yet to see a bad Canadian made vice so yours would be the first if it's a junker.
G20: google 4.5 inch copper Wilton jaws and several online stores sell them for about $50 the last time i looked and maybe there is an Ebay seller that is selling some too. i hear you on the cold snap you are having and hope it warms up some or we'll have to call it God's waiting room again instead of the other guy's 120 degree one.
G20: google 4.5 inch copper Wilton jaws and several online stores sell them for about $50 the last time i looked and maybe there is an Ebay seller that is selling some too. i hear you on the cold snap you are having and hope it warms up some or we'll have to call it God's waiting room again instead of the other guy's 120 degree one.
econotrk
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KMScott, the 27H is beautiful in red, very nice work on it. Reminds me of a big Hollands my mechanic friend seems to have replaced with a Snapon Wilton. Noticed it in the corner looking pretty lonely. 
I better make a mental note to myself "Save that Hollands!".
I better make a mental note to myself "Save that Hollands!".
va.grouseman
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If it had the lock down handle and the right main screw handle, (which according to Demo, who has two of those buggers), is 1'' thick, 18'' long, and has 1 7/8'' balls, would weigh 327 lbs.---Part of the reason it's still just like I bought it.---When desire overwhelms dread, I'm going to drag her out.
KMScott
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In my opinion I would make semi soft jaws out of 7075 aluminum or Bronze. If you want jaws that are even softer then I would make them out of pure Copper, every time you clamp on something using pure copper jaws the Copper gets work hardened or harder with every clamp. To soften them heat them up with a torch to around sizzle hot and they will anneal and get soft again. Making jaws out of pure aluminum or 6061 is considered softer material. Dense quality Phenolic is another good jaw material.
Why have soft jaws? If the jaws are soft and you clamp on something fragile and hard then you just marred the jaw faces, doing this can mark you work the next time you use them. Foreign material like chips, filings and small pieces embed into soft jaws. Use a set of hard smooth jaws that will not get damaged clamping anything hard like gun parts, if you need to protect further then use a sheet of lead or leather. Soft jaws do not last very long. The Copper Caps you can buy are pretty hard, I would consider Copper Caps Bronze type material.
KMScott
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KMScott, the 27H is beautiful in red, very nice work on it. Reminds me of a big Hollands my mechanic friend seems to have replaced with a Snapon Wilton. Noticed it in the corner looking pretty lonely.
I better make a mental note to myself "Save that Hollands!".
Thanks econotrk, the vise is to big to use everyday.
Wow a hundred pounds per inch of jaw width. The handle dimensions are like what is on my Prentiss #58. Gonna visit Demo this late Spring, I have a minion that lives real close to Demo and maybe I can get the scraps.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If it had the lock down handle and the right main screw handle, (which according to Demo, who has two of those buggers), is 1'' thick, 18'' long, and has 1 7/8'' balls, would weigh 327 lbs.---Part of the reason it's still just like I bought it.---When desire overwhelms dread, I'm going to drag her out.
Shiftless
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topop101
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Wow, the first 1000 pages took well past 5 years, the second 1000 barely a year and 4 months...
No wonder prices are going up...
xxaler
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Yep, makes sense! Hopefully in coming years there are more gems to be found, namely the 600lb'er.
Rileysan
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Went to look at this vise yesterday and was disappointed in its condition. I offered the seller $20 as a parts vise. Not sure if I should rebuild it or part it out ...
Rock Island 141 sans base, pipe jaws and with a broken knob. It also appears to be missing a piece on the base of the static jaw. Anyone have an opinion on it?
Brian
Rock Island 141 sans base, pipe jaws and with a broken knob. It also appears to be missing a piece on the base of the static jaw. Anyone have an opinion on it?
Brian
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drivesitfar
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Riley: that same Rock Island 141 is for sale up near me for $500 (way too high, but you know what he's smoking legally here now). anyway i had one also without the pipe jaws, but it found a new home because i'm only keeping a few of the bolt through vises.
heck the wing nut is worth what you paid for it. here's some pictures of mine so you might see what yours is missing or broken or needs repair.
ALL: it's been a pleasure meeting some of you and talking with a lot of you over the last couple years and I hope i'm still around when we hit 100,000 posts. i'll do my best to make a few intelligent ones, but as some of you know i'm far from the EXPERT or the most talented one in the group. i'm more here for the people and talking about a great old simply made functional tool that still fights in some guy's and gal's shops to be used correctly.
thanks all of you that have answered all my questions that at times must have seemed pretty stupid, but i'm still learning daily and trying to pass on the correct information to other guys my age and older and especially the younger generation that doesn't even have shop class in school anymore.
cheers all you fine Gentleman and Ladies and yes you other guys too.
heck the wing nut is worth what you paid for it. here's some pictures of mine so you might see what yours is missing or broken or needs repair.
ALL: it's been a pleasure meeting some of you and talking with a lot of you over the last couple years and I hope i'm still around when we hit 100,000 posts. i'll do my best to make a few intelligent ones, but as some of you know i'm far from the EXPERT or the most talented one in the group. i'm more here for the people and talking about a great old simply made functional tool that still fights in some guy's and gal's shops to be used correctly.
thanks all of you that have answered all my questions that at times must have seemed pretty stupid, but i'm still learning daily and trying to pass on the correct information to other guys my age and older and especially the younger generation that doesn't even have shop class in school anymore.
cheers all you fine Gentleman and Ladies and yes you other guys too.
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454ragtop
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Looks like it's been beaten to within an inch of its life. The static is broken, not sure what's going on with that handle. Definitely looks like a parts vise to me.
Jim
drivesitfar
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Riley: put it to the side and if you don't find a use for the parts on one of your vises i'll pay you the $20 and buy you lunch because i can probably use the wing nut or screw and vise nut on another vise i own.
BTW lunch might be a salad since i'm still trying to lose a few pounds or maybe BBQ or Thai if you twist my arm. keep up the hunt and hope you find a few keepers.
BTW lunch might be a salad since i'm still trying to lose a few pounds or maybe BBQ or Thai if you twist my arm. keep up the hunt and hope you find a few keepers.
CRSINMICH
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ESTATE SALE FIND: There was an estate sale about 1½ miles away. I didn’t see much in the pictures that interested me but it was close and I was bored. I got there about 45 minutes after it started and immediately went to the basement. I found this $10 sweetie to add to my sub-collection of depression era homeowner’s vises. I’ll have to gather them for a group shot someday.
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G20-Budo
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Nice find CRSINMICH! I'll have to start looking out for those estate sales here in my area..
Make some quick (cheap) pipe jaws and it would be a good welding table vise. Forget the wing nut and just drill some holes in the base for mounting.
Rileysan
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It's actually not beaten all that bad - there aren't many scars or hammer marks. It looks more like it was dropped from the top of a building as the casting is broke in a couple of places. Still, I think it was $20 well spent.
Brian
Off-Street Parking
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I came across this interesting anvil/vise combination in an antique store yesterday... No markings other than "PATENTED SEPT 22 1914". The dynamic jaw slides back and forth, but the part with the crank, nut, and the track below it, is fixed. The screw is hollow, with a shaft running through it that rotates the part between and just below the two jaws? 
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Rileysan
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Looks like you're missing the base as well. I was sorely disappointed when I saw it as it was supposed to be complete vise (minus pipe jaws) for a mere $50. Still, I can't be too upset. I cleaned up on the rest of his shop - I filled my trunk and back seat with boxes of tools and shop supplies. I'll update the garage sale thread when I get a chance.
Brian
Wow! Now I see what the holes and rivit on my No. 7 vise were for, pipe jaws!
Your vise is in great condition compared to mine.
To all: what is the best method to clean up an old vise? Bead blasting? Soaking in molasses?
Yeah, that would be my vise. There are no cracks in the towers.One of my minions fond this one. Clearly some condition issues. I think it is a Prentiss because of the split slide. I think there are cracks in the towers where the pipe jaws would fit. Clearly a pre-1900 vise. Bolt through the counter.
Anyone have an idea on who made this??
G20-Budo
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KMOT, check the thread in the below link for ways to restore the vise.. great info there!
VISE REPAIR 101 all vise repairs, lubricants, sources for parts and the tricks to fix
GETRIDAONE
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Wow! Now I see what the holes and rivit on my No. 7 vise were for, pipe jaws!
Your vise is in great condition compared to mine.
To all: what is the best method to clean up an old vise? Bead blasting? Soaking in molasses?
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Your bottom lock would look more like this Trojan made by Parker.
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CwazyWabbit
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I see another Parkinsons Ball Base Vise has turned up on eBay. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-to-f...Vice-on-Swivel-Ball-Base-4-Jaws-/331748991517
I think it's probably a bit overpriced considering it has soft jaws fitted and a piece of the base has been cut off. Perhaps others think differently
I think it's probably a bit overpriced considering it has soft jaws fitted and a piece of the base has been cut off. Perhaps others think differently
joe.striper
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Zkling, I'm with you. These vises are clumsy and awkward and they are as useful as the pool/car was, seemed like a good idea at the time but....
joe.striper
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Yeah, one of my buddies from your area (he collects Coleman lanterns) sent me picks asking about it. The shots I saw had me concerned about the jaws, glad you don't have cracks there. As to the slide, that crack needs to be clamped with some big MF clamps and then brazed/welded so that the crack stops and so that you can actually remove it. Tolerances are usually so tight on these that with a crack like that removal of the dynamic jaw is almost impossible.
Welcome to the board, be careful though, vises be addictive!!!
Fraggles
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I saw that vice and noticed the chopped base too . He has overestimated it's value x10 more than I paid for mine.
CwazyWabbit
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Interesting though that they are starting to come out of the woodwork now, there were only about 5 known about for years and now at least 5 have been found in the last 12 months
dutchgray
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I'm not going to pay that much for a ball vice, unless its in perfect condition then I would consider it, no matter how much I want one.
CwazyWabbit
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It'll probably get relisted a few times or perhaps he'll accept a realistic offer?
GETRIDAONE
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Outlawmws
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This^^^ is what I'd do.
Loydski29
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My first Vise.
Looks great! Nice work!
G20-Budo
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My first Vise.
JeeperAZ, GREAT restore on that vise.. it looks really nice!
Yeah, one of my buddies from your area (he collects Coleman lanterns) sent me picks asking about it. The shots I saw had me concerned about the jaws, glad you don't have cracks there. As to the slide, that crack needs to be clamped with some big MF clamps and then brazed/welded so that the crack stops and so that you can actually remove it. Tolerances are usually so tight on these that with a crack like that removal of the dynamic jaw is almost impossible.
Welcome to the board, be careful though, vises be addictive!!!
Thanks gent's!