scooternut
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And that 404 is hot! Love a Reed.
Vise and Grinder stands. I'm looking for ideas on how to use several in limited space
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drivesitfar
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ALEC: so according to your Avatar do you like Harley or not? you didn't say what size or how big your vise is that you are making a stand for. 200 pounds is probably overkill for any vise unless you have a 150+ pound on and are putting a few hundred pound objects in it's jaws.
here's my 130 pound Parker on about a 150 pound stand and i never had to bolt it down where i carried rolled it there it would sit.
can you post up a few pictures of your vise you plan to mount and maybe the materials if you haven't made the stand yet?
here's my 130 pound Parker on about a 150 pound stand and i never had to bolt it down where i carried rolled it there it would sit.
can you post up a few pictures of your vise you plan to mount and maybe the materials if you haven't made the stand yet?
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What you don't like old Mr. Shovelhead? lol yeah I ride Harleys, not exclusively, but definitely a fan.
First off thank you for posting pictures of your setup, that vise is a monster.
I'm using a Yost 750-DI, only weighs about 60 lbs. Here's a picture of one guy's stand from WeldingWeb with this same vise. His base is 1.4" thick plate steel and the stand weighs well over 200 lbs total.
My stand design is not set, but I'll probably build one to accept a 2" receiver mount, which puts the vise out in front of the base a little so there's more moment when torquing on something. I can pick through our scrap stockpile at work (friends with the welder), probably 1/2" plate for the base and 4" pipe for the post. I'm planning on just using some sonotube and pouring a concrete donut on top of the base for extra ballast. That way if it's too light I can just pour more concrete until it's right.
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ilovevocs
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Vise and Grinder stands. I'm looking for ideas on how to use several in limit...
Adding provisions for bolting in the event it was required wouldn't take much work.
I use a grinder stand and red head drop in anchors. Have several locations throughout the shop to mount it. When the holes are not in use I use Allen screws to prevent debris from getting into the threads.
Point I'm making is I don't think it is worth the added expense to try to factor out the rare occasion that an average weight stand will require more weight to combat movement. For those occasions you could hand tighten some bolts in the floor.
Adding provisions for bolting in the event it was required wouldn't take much work.
I use a grinder stand and red head drop in anchors. Have several locations throughout the shop to mount it. When the holes are not in use I use Allen screws to prevent debris from getting into the threads.
Point I'm making is I don't think it is worth the added expense to try to factor out the rare occasion that an average weight stand will require more weight to combat movement. For those occasions you could hand tighten some bolts in the floor.
bagged89s10
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Re: Vise and Grinder stands. I'm looking for ideas on how to use several in limit...
What size bolts and anchors do you use? I want to add some for a vise stand and my bead roller, but want to be able to move them out of the way too. They won't stress the concrete and cause cracks?
What size bolts and anchors do you use? I want to add some for a vise stand and my bead roller, but want to be able to move them out of the way too. They won't stress the concrete and cause cracks?
ilovevocs
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I have been using 3/8". Never had issues with concrete.
McBrownie
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I REALLY hesitated posting this because it isn't welded and doesn't weigh more than 300 lbs. But, here it goes. Be gentle.
The "Blockmeister" is a 3/4hp Craftsman block grinder with a 2x36 PA Multitool belt grinder attachment. This tool gets a lot of use in my garage. I had this on a homemade stand with a bunch of ballast to make up for the weight of the grinder with the belt grinder. However, it was heavy and took up a little too much room in my small work space. I had an old office chair
(a real office chair, not something from Walmart) which I was getting ready to throw out and it gave me an idea. I was nervous about putting the machine on a chair base, so I decided to lose the cast iron tool holder/cooling tray. That is a lot of weight that was not being utilized. Then I picked up a piece of schedule 40 aluminum pipe and got to work.
By the way, here is the before. Heavy and solid:
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And the after. Lighter weight and more mobile.
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It the horizontal position:
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In the vertical position, I have to tip it about 30 degrees before it wants to fall over. In the horizontal position, it still needs about 20 degrees. In other words, it does not feel top heavy or "tippy". As far as moving around, I was very surprised. I figured that it would "wander" when running, but it doesn't. If I need to apply pressure, I just step on one of the legs. I was always planning on swapping out a couple of wheels for locking wheels and will most likely do so in the future.
So, for a fairly light machine like a block grinder, a chair base seems like a viable option.
The "Blockmeister" is a 3/4hp Craftsman block grinder with a 2x36 PA Multitool belt grinder attachment. This tool gets a lot of use in my garage. I had this on a homemade stand with a bunch of ballast to make up for the weight of the grinder with the belt grinder. However, it was heavy and took up a little too much room in my small work space. I had an old office chair
(a real office chair, not something from Walmart) which I was getting ready to throw out and it gave me an idea. I was nervous about putting the machine on a chair base, so I decided to lose the cast iron tool holder/cooling tray. That is a lot of weight that was not being utilized. Then I picked up a piece of schedule 40 aluminum pipe and got to work.
By the way, here is the before. Heavy and solid:
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And the after. Lighter weight and more mobile.
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It the horizontal position:
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In the vertical position, I have to tip it about 30 degrees before it wants to fall over. In the horizontal position, it still needs about 20 degrees. In other words, it does not feel top heavy or "tippy". As far as moving around, I was very surprised. I figured that it would "wander" when running, but it doesn't. If I need to apply pressure, I just step on one of the legs. I was always planning on swapping out a couple of wheels for locking wheels and will most likely do so in the future.
So, for a fairly light machine like a block grinder, a chair base seems like a viable option.
Scimonetti
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I don't believe I've ever posted my grinder stand in this specific thread, so here goes!
I keep all of my spare pulleys, gears, turnbuckles and hinge hardware organized in the lower drawers.
I leave the top few free to keep loose parts I am working on, vicegrips, arbor wrench, extra wheels and other grinder specific items. Weighs a ton full, doesn't rattle and is a great use of space!
I keep all of my spare pulleys, gears, turnbuckles and hinge hardware organized in the lower drawers.
I leave the top few free to keep loose parts I am working on, vicegrips, arbor wrench, extra wheels and other grinder specific items. Weighs a ton full, doesn't rattle and is a great use of space!
McBrownie
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Where does one find a "Handy 9 Drawer Cabinet"? That is a nice use of space.
Find a cheap weight plate, make a box for sand or even cast a concrete ring to go around the pole to slide down the base for added stability if needed.
McBrownie
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Good idea. I'll keep that in mind if it starts to feel too light weight.
I've ran across a few, pretty sure they were for mailing supplies. No drawer slides, around 15" square? They always seemed very light to me, especially torsional stability.
Local goodwill always seems to have one or two.bagged89s10
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Cool idea to use a chair base and to have it tilt 90 degrees like that. I mean a chair usually holds 200-300 pounds without a problem.
McBrownie
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If you saw the secretary that used to use it, you would want to give this chair a medal for valiant service. Then, after that, kids used it for video games. It should have a much easier life now.
bagged89s10
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If you saw the secretary that used to use it, you would want to give this chair a medal for valiant service. Then, after that, kids used it for video games. It should have a much easier life now.
Haha. That makes me think of those double wide chairs they have at the hospital for overweight people.
I made this stand for my vise a while back but it moved around too much. Once I picked up a grinder I took the vise off and drilled some new holes. It works much better as a grinder stand. The top is about 32" off the floor and it seems like a pretty good height.
The base is a truck brake drum I brought home and knocked all the rust off with a needle scaler and wire brush. Looks like I should've painted it... I cut rough circle out of a 1/2" plate and burned some holes in it to match the bolt pattern on the drum. It's pretty rough but for my first time cutting anything useful with the torch I was happy.
A coworker welded the pipe to the plate and stuck a 3/8" plate to the top that I drilled and tapped for the vise.
I need to go ahead and paint the thing once it warms up.
The base is a truck brake drum I brought home and knocked all the rust off with a needle scaler and wire brush. Looks like I should've painted it... I cut rough circle out of a 1/2" plate and burned some holes in it to match the bolt pattern on the drum. It's pretty rough but for my first time cutting anything useful with the torch I was happy.
A coworker welded the pipe to the plate and stuck a 3/8" plate to the top that I drilled and tapped for the vise.
I need to go ahead and paint the thing once it warms up.
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drivesitfar
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Monte: your stuff is always so clean and stout. did you make it or buy it and where and what brand if you bought it? thanks for posting.
BadGuy: thanks for posting your stand. even though it's a popular stand on this thread there's always a different way to put one together.
McB: never get tired of looking at the Blockmeister. i'm guessing by the comments your old chair legs could use a bit of weight. do you have any lead pellets or another way to get weight on the base?
ALL: Slow Runner just posted this video over on the main vise thread and it looks like a keeper if you have the talent to build it or know a friend that does.
BadGuy: thanks for posting your stand. even though it's a popular stand on this thread there's always a different way to put one together.
McB: never get tired of looking at the Blockmeister. i'm guessing by the comments your old chair legs could use a bit of weight. do you have any lead pellets or another way to get weight on the base?
ALL: Slow Runner just posted this video over on the main vise thread and it looks like a keeper if you have the talent to build it or know a friend that does.
thanks
I made it:
this is the vertical part: made out of 2 H-beams and 2 steel plates as cover and a plate as "table":
this is the bottom: welded together from several parts of a engine holder (transport packaging) of an outboard motor:
stick welded the bottom plate :
prior to sanding:
painted:
only had soda in stock
feet:
finished:
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drivesitfar
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Monte: nicely done and thanks for the pictures. I never would have thought you made it from those pieces because it look so smooth. did you paint it yourself and do you powder coat or have a big oven. looks even better close up. thanks for sharing. 
i painted it. The primer is sprayed on, for the top coat i used a paint roller.Monte: nicely done and thanks for the pictures. I never would have thought you made it from those pieces because it look so smooth. did you paint it yourself and do you powder coat or have a big oven. looks even better close up. thanks for sharing.
nmk_61802
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The base is a truck brake drum I brought home and knocked all the rust off with a needle scaler and wire brush. Looks like I should've painted it... I cut rough circle out of a 1/2" plate and burned some holes in it to match the bolt pattern on the drum. It's pretty rough but for my first time cutting anything useful with the torch I was happy.
Love this type of stand, even though it is very common on this site. I have been meaning to build one, but I cannot seem to find a truck brake drum in my area. I have even gone to searching Ebay, as I have no problem paying a reasonable fee for one. Someday maybe...
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I put a wanted ad on CL and within a few days I had two free. With scrap prices down, you should be able to find them super cheap or free just about anywhere. Give it a shot.
flyingblind
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Have you tried a heavy truck repair shop? Truck stop with a repair shop? I just got one from the shop we use for free. They were happy I was hauling it away because scrap is low right now. I also got a trailer landing gear leg which I plan on using for the lift and the post.
Do yourself a favor; skip the drum a get a drop of ~1" thick plate. Call around to a few fab shops.
Carves
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Carves: thanks for the grinder stand picture and all the rest. please post it over the grinder and vise stand thread when you have time because it's a classic for sure.
"classic" ... is a polite description ..
As for the wisdom of using a piece of tree for a stand ... The one in the pic has all the, weight, hardness, ... and bouyancy characteristics ... of probably, two truck brake drums full of concrete.
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Carves: simple and effective. not so sure i would use that grinder with stone wheels and no guards though. thanks for posting it here
ALL: i couldn't bring myself to buy this old creamer separator i saw on my last trip down to the Oregon Coast, but it almost came home with me. it would be a great addition to a man cave on a farm or i was trying to see how i could make it a vise or grinder stand. if it was in rough shape and not working or $350 i propbably would have figured out a way.
if i find a farm fresh one i'll post how i made it into a vise or grinder stand.
ALL: i couldn't bring myself to buy this old creamer separator i saw on my last trip down to the Oregon Coast, but it almost came home with me. it would be a great addition to a man cave on a farm or i was trying to see how i could make it a vise or grinder stand. if it was in rough shape and not working or $350 i propbably would have figured out a way.
if i find a farm fresh one i'll post how i made it into a vise or grinder stand.
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Wayfastwhitie440
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Why skip the drum. What's wrong with the drum style? Or is it just because he's having a hard time finding one ?
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drivesitfar
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Way: i'll never pretend to know exactly what ZK is thinking or posting about, but guessing he was just saying you can use plate or any heavy object for a base if you are building a vise, grinder or tool stand. I agree the old commercial truck wheels are a good option if they can be found.
ALL: speaking of options i bought this Tin Knocker's anvil on an old car or maybe a tractor axle with a gear on the end. it's heavy duty enough and one of these days i'll shine it up and maybe paint it since i use it outside.
ALL: speaking of options i bought this Tin Knocker's anvil on an old car or maybe a tractor axle with a gear on the end. it's heavy duty enough and one of these days i'll shine it up and maybe paint it since i use it outside.
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Here is the one I am building.
WP_20160206_003 by Al Capone, on Flickr
WP_20160206_004 by Al Capone, on Flickr
Brake drum and Trailer landing gear. The gear will be used to lower the wheels so it will be mobile.So far total investment (cash) 12 bucks
WP_20160206_003 by Al Capone, on Flickr
WP_20160206_004 by Al Capone, on FlickrBrake drum and Trailer landing gear. The gear will be used to lower the wheels so it will be mobile.So far total investment (cash) 12 bucks
bagged89s10
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Usually you can get a brake drum for free or minimal cost versus buying a 1" thick plate from a scrap yard or steel shop. That's my opinion.
iagsxr
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Here is the one I am building.
Brake drum and Trailer landing gear. The gear will be used to lower the wheels so it will be mobile.So far total investment (cash) 12 bucks
Took me a minute to figure out what you're doing there. That's awesome
flyingblind
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It will be cool when it is done. I was going to use a full size landing gear handle but I think I will machine down the shaft to accept a 3/4 inch socket and use a speed handle to lower it instead.
WP_20160207_003 by Al Capone, on Flickrbagged89s10
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It will be cool when it is done. I was going to use a full size landing gear handle but I think I will machine down the shaft to accept a 3/4 inch socket and use a speed handle to lower it instead.
Please post how you attach and set it up with the landing gear. That's a great idea!
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drivesitfar
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FB: looks like you tripled your investment with $20 worth of bolts. do tell how one lines up and gets all those holes drilled so you can bolt them if you would. so many guys do it like it's nothing, but for some of us knowing the tips and tricks that we didn't learn watching a dad, gramps or mentor would help.
thanks and i too want to see how you attach the plate.
good luck and looks great so far
thanks and i too want to see how you attach the plate.
good luck and looks great so far
Doesn't get the weight as low as possible, not able to stand on a drum for extra stability. Only downside to a plate is you need to either make sure it is flat or put a few very small feet on it to make sure there are no high points not at the extreme diameter. Tip over stability is a function of low center of mass and or a wide footprint. To make a lightweight stand stable it needs to have a wide footprint, using a solid disk is a trade off between those. The problem with drums is they put quite a bit of mass at the top of the drum ~8-12" off the floor.
No kidding, 3 would have been more than enough.
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