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The step daughter's BMW ended up in my driveway to fix the alternator and battery cable(IBS sensor). Also asked if I could do an oil change while I'm working on it. It's a 2004 545i that I'm sure will be needing work.

Just wondering what some of the must have tools for doing common repairs on BMWs are?
 
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A fat wallet?

Sorry, couldn't resist. My 2007 335i uses some torx, some metric Allen, some Phillips, and mostly regular metric cap screws. If you buy parts online and stay out of the dealership they aren't bad. A little more maintenance required than a Japanese car but not too difficult. A Bentley manual is a great help.
 

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Avoid the dealership parts counter, unless you need it yesterday. I buy my parts online:
Autohausaz, Pelican, Turner Motorsport, Bavarian Autosport, Rockauto, depending on what I'm after.
 

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Certainly ramp up on your level of Torx, E-Torx and Metric sockets/wrenches

You'll need a fan clutch tool to get to the alternator/belt-drive assembly. I think it's a long 32mm and usually just smack it with a hammer to drive it loose [left-hand thread].

The oil change will require a special tool for the filter assembly, I'm certain there are aftermarket alternatives out there by now for that.


...given it's a 545, I sure hope the crankcase ventilation system [backside of the intake] has been worked on before. It's cumbersome, brittle and highly likely to fail. The other common failures would be anything plastic in the cooling system. If one part fails, it's very likely you need to go through and just do it all at once. T-stat housing, expansion tank, radiator, water pump, etc.
 

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Pretty surprised by how many useless posts are in this thread. I expected a little higher caliber of participants from this forum.


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Pretty surprised by how many useless posts are in this thread. I expected a little higher caliber of participants from this forum.


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Oh well. The OP probably should have asked about Silverados instead.

I'm so gobsmacked by reading about the BMW alternator bracket gasket issue that I've got nothing to add.
 
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-USB-OBD...:g:7uUAAOSwwE5WZW8Y&item=331184087364&vxp=mtr

Get that. Forget the Bentley manual.

Also get 9mm and 7mm 3/8" drive allen sockets before you find out you need them and they're impossible to get locally.

Also, this or something like it http://www.shop.pbtools.us/Automotive-Clip-Clamp-Detaching-Wrench-Set-671set.htm

Most everything else is pretty standard (phillips, torx, e-torx, allen, hex)

What are the 9mm and 7mm 3/8" drive used for? I have metric allen sockets but not sure what drive size they are.


Certainly ramp up on your level of Torx, E-Torx and Metric sockets/wrenches

You'll need a fan clutch tool to get to the alternator/belt-drive assembly. I think it's a long 32mm and usually just smack it with a hammer to drive it loose [left-hand thread].

The oil change will require a special tool for the filter assembly, I'm certain there are aftermarket alternatives out there by now for that.


...given it's a 545, I sure hope the crankcase ventilation system [backside of the intake] has been worked on before. It's cumbersome, brittle and highly likely to fail. The other common failures would be anything plastic in the cooling system. If one part fails, it's very likely you need to go through and just do it all at once. T-stat housing, expansion tank, radiator, water pump, etc.

Any idea what oil filter tool I will need? I haven't even looked at the oil change yet so not sure if the filter is up top or on the bottom yet.
 

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The 7mm and 9mm allen are for the brakes, though looking at it I think on the E60 5 series you only have a 7mm. Hazet makes an extra short one for this purpose, but I've never had a clearance issue with a normal one.

The oil filter socket isn't anything special, just a 36mm 6 point socket.

Also, don't avoid all dealer parts counters, just your local one. Download http://www.bmwpnpc.com/ (BMW parts price comparison tool) Some of the dealers are the cheapest ones out there. Also, realoem.com is a good place to lookup part numbers.
 

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Certainly ramp up on your level of Torx, E-Torx and Metric sockets/wrenches

You'll need a fan clutch tool to get to the alternator/belt-drive assembly. I think it's a long 32mm and usually just smack it with a hammer to drive it loose [left-hand thread].

The oil change will require a special tool for the filter assembly, I'm certain there are aftermarket alternatives out there by now for that.


...given it's a 545, I sure hope the crankcase ventilation system [backside of the intake] has been worked on before. It's cumbersome, brittle and highly likely to fail. The other common failures would be anything plastic in the cooling system. If one part fails, it's very likely you need to go through and just do it all at once. T-stat housing, expansion tank, radiator, water pump, etc.

What he said. I see this all the time on BMW.. Especially the expansion tank/reservoir. I am not sure if that model uses an electric water pump or not but there is a procedure to bleed the cooling system for BMW's with electric water pumps. I believe its.. 1. heat on high temp, lowest fan speed 2. KOEO gas pedal to the floor for 30 seconds... Not exactly sure but you can find the procedure easily on youtube.
 

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you can use a 7mm ball tip allen socket for the brakes if you have clearance issues. But you can manage with a regular 7mm socket on a wobble extension as well. just make sure your all the way in with the socket.
 

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Speaking of cooling system and non-dealer parts, very often the dealer part and the non-dealer part will be made by the same company (e.g. Behr) but not in the same factory (e.g. a Behr expansion tank made in China vs a BMW-marked Behr expansion tank made in Germany - in the case of the e39 they don't even look remotely similar). When this happens, you are always better off with the factory part, and using that app I linked to in an earlier post, you'll be able to find the factory part for a very acceptable cost.

This phenomenon isn't limited to BMW either. I can think of a particular part number of mechanical fuel injector where the Mercedes-branded part literally has a cross out on the Bosch part number and the Mercedes number written above it, yet the Mercedes ones have better quality control.
 

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A good service manual in addition to the e-torx.

I serviced my ex-wifes e60 530 all the time. Got rid of the wife and the car in the divorce. Great driving cars but cant stand getting bent over for parts all the time.
 
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I believe this is the same engine and should be the same procedure for alternator removal on a 04 545i.. Not my video just something i found on youtube for you.
 

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Blunttech.com and RealOEM.com will be your best friends.

32mm wrench for the fan nut. You do not need any special super tool, a standard 32mm one fits. I got mine at princess auto, so if I did have to make it smaller I wouldn't cry.

Oil filter socket isn't anything special, just big.

Torx, internal and external. Full set of 3/8 hex bits (There are a few other lurking on various cars)

Bently manual, a decent scanner, and some google-fu will go a long way.

That and a nice big credit limit. Once you start into these things and realize how well they drive and that they are not just a yuppie car you will want yourself an E30/36/46 or E34/39.
 

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A good scan tool with bi directional communication.

I love my Z4, but it is an annoying car to work on. Everything is connected to the flipping computer. If you start diving deep into a modern BMW there are a lot of specialty tools required. However, your main maintenance items can be take care of with a metric wrench set, hex set, and torx set.
 
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I have the usual basic torx, etorx, and allen sockets. Any particular special ones I should pick up?

I have a lisle fan wrench set and will have to see if it has a 32mm wrench.
 
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while I'm in the thread;

Any quick tips on a clutch & transmission swap job on a 1992 325i ?

Nephew is saving up for a clutch and has a trans. in-hand.
 

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while I'm in the thread;

Any quick tips on a clutch & transmission swap job on a 1992 325i ?

Nephew is saving up for a clutch and has a trans. in-hand.
Pretty straightforward job, long extensions and a swivel help. The one part that is always harder than it should be is separating the starter from the transmission. There is a dowel pin in the starter that always gets seized in the ****** bellhousing. I have a long skinny screwdriver blade that I jam inbetween and hammer them apart. This goes for just about any of the M5x trannies. Be sure to clean up that dowel before putting it back together.
 

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while I'm in the thread;

Any quick tips on a clutch & transmission swap job on a 1992 325i ?

As mentioned, long extensions and a swivel are a big help (probably several long extensions, it's typical to have to fish them up along the transmission tunnel to reach a couple of the bolts.)
 

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Pretty surprised by how many useless posts are in this thread. I expected a little higher caliber of participants from this forum.

In all fairness the E60 was the beginning of a steep downward slope for BMW. The N62 engine in the 545 never got recalled like the N63, but it still has some pretty serious longevity issues (valve guides among others).

Electronics will be a big factor. I think a K+DCAN dongle should cover most things (perhaps not). Depending on how much stuff is accessible over the CAN bus, an ELM 327 dongle might be enough.

Tools are all pretty straightforward and were covered by the subsequent posters. A good set of 3/8" tools, all manner of TORX (incl. TORX+ and E-TORX), T-20, T-25, T-30 drivers come in handy inside, stubby hex (7mm for the brakes, the 1/4" Vim set is about the same cost as the Hazet brake tool), oil filter socket (36mm if it's like the earlier cars), trim pullers, a decent pick set (very useful with all the quick disconnect fittings), etc.

Expand depending on what other jobs you anticipate tackling, clamshell style spring compressors and suitable sized ball joint tool can be useful. Keep some of that fabric tape around (most Euro dealers will stock it, not the double sticky 3M gunk) for when you have to dig into the wiring.
 

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10mm is a very popular size on BMWs, if you added up all the bolts in a BMW I swear half them ar 10mm. 17mm for the lug bolts. Some hex mm for things like brake calipers, ****** & diff drain plugs use hard to find large ones. Various good tools to remove plastic rivets without breaking them. Sometimes a star bit needed.

What is really helpful is a jack pad adapter to fit in the jack points on the side of the car. I have many of these and use with jackstands when I need the whole front end lifted.

http://www.reverselogic.us/bmw_jack_pad.html

The front center jacking point is hard to reach without a low profile jack, and even then its not possible on some models without a long reach low profile. So ramps help or driving the car on some 2x10 pieces to make jacking it up easier.
 

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I agree with the Bentley statement. Recently got myself an E39 540i at 86k miles, and the first thing I had to do was transmission fluid change and valve cover and timing cover gaskets. The Bentley didn't help much for both of those jobs. It didn't even mention the part where if I don't crack open the oil filter cap first, the oil will not drain into the pan and will pour out when opened.

Anyway, are there anything advantages from the unit you linked over an middle grade OBD2 scan tool like Autel MD802? Can it do certain things for BMW that other scan tools can't?

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Lots of good advise here (some not, mostly from the peanut gallery).

I’ve been wrenching on these cars for over 20 years and here is my list in no particular order… (in addition to the regular 3/8 stuff)

¼ Drive Metric sockets long & short
¼ ratchet – Fine tooth
¼ extensions up to 11”
¼ swivel
E-Torx
Torx
Metric Allen
3/8 drive ratchet guts in ¼ frame. Snap-On sells this and others may also. It allows you to access things in the engine compartment that you couldn’t using a 3/8 -> ¼ adapter. If you buy nothing else from the tool trucks get one of these. It allows you to use your 3/8 bit sockets in tight places and there are a lot of tight places.

The suspension will take a lot of 16mm and 18mm. Some of the drive shaft bolts are 12pt so… 12pt ½ drive shallow sockets.

I will say it is worth getting the Bentley if only for the correct torque specs. Some fasteners are one-time use (aluminum). BMW started marking them with blue paint on the fastener heads. The Bentley will most likely point them out so you can buy them beforehand. Try and reuse them and they have a tendency to snap. I believe that the N62 has these on the alternator. (I could be wrong)

Torque wrench- 3/8 & ¼ Please get good ones. BMW’s do not do well with over torqued bolts. Nm scale is a plus but converting from Nm to Ft lbs is just a mouse click away.

BMW scan tool software and an old ThinkPad. These cars have lots of manufacture codes that go well beyond OBDII.

Good advise above on parts. Go to the Internet and search around. If you haven’t joined the BMW club, do. If you have to go to the dealer for parts most offer a 10-20% discount to members.

Lastly, the cars do require more upkeep than your average Toyota but they are very fun to drive. A well taken care of BMW is a wonderful thing. As such, they have a devoted following. There are lots of forums to go to for help and most have DIY’s for all but the most esoteric repair. There you will also learn what needs to be addressed before it becomes an issue.

Hope this helps.

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The step daughter's BMW ended up in my driveway to fix the alternator and battery cable(IBS sensor). Also asked if I could do an oil change while I'm working on it. It's a 2004 545i that I'm sure will be needing work.

Just wondering what some of the must have tools for doing common repairs on BMWs are?
Check out the BMW forums E60 series: www.bimmerfest.com www.bimmerforums.com . That V8 is a beast
 

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Second the ramps, the first time I lifted my e39, I got the floor jack, couldn't reach, used the tire changer jack, up a few inches, in with the floor jack, up with the car, on the stands, done, lift, drop, can't get the jack out, lift with the changer.

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I agree with the Bentley statement. Recently got myself an E39 540i at 86k miles, and the first thing I had to do was transmission fluid change and valve cover and timing cover gaskets. The Bentley didn't help much for both of those jobs. It didn't even mention the part where if I don't crack open the oil filter cap first, the oil will not drain into the pan and will pour out when opened.

Anyway, are there anything advantages from the unit you linked over an middle grade OBD2 scan tool like Autel MD802? Can it do certain things for BMW that other scan tools can't?

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Regarding the unit I linked compared to other ones like it - there may be a cheaper way of doing it, but it seems they are hit and miss and I bought that one and can confirm it works. Also, if you have an old laptop lying around still running Windows XP, this is its time to shine.

Regarding the type of unit I linked comparing it to a standard OBD, there is definitely an advantage. With this tool you can program the car. Not just the dealer stuff (like do you want the alarm to beep or not when you lock it) but also stuff like being able to roll up the windows when you hold the lock button down (in the US market we can only roll down by remote, not up). Lots of other things too, that was just an example. Also the BMW diagnostic system (DIS, the one in that package, is for vehicles up to and including the OP's e60. Later cars use ista/p, which that same ebayer also has, but I haven't bought that one), while ridiculously intuitive to use, gives you way more detailed information than an OBD scan tool and can perform diagnostic tests on the car. Newer BMWs (basically, the ones that don't look like the late 90s - 2002+ 7-series, 2003+ 6-series, 2004+ 5-series, 2006+ 3-series) need to have the car told when you install a new battery (yes, really, it's insane). I don't think any standard OBD tool can do that, but the BMW software can.
 

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Oh well. The OP probably should have asked about Silverados instead.

I'm so gobsmacked by reading about the BMW alternator bracket gasket issue that I've got nothing to add.

Search for alternator housing bracket and this user name on Xoutpost.com. $1.45 gasket took me 9 hours of work with a mechanic buddy on a lift. It was no joke.

Parts, it's who you know. Xoutpost members get a club discount on BMW parts going through VP of parts dept at Openroad BMW in NJ. Search for Craig Hacker on Xoutpost.com and pull up his info. Pm me if you need it. Basically discount is 15% over cost.

Use realoem.com to look up part numbers.

Use ecstuning.com to look up parts manufacturers and compare prices. Email Craig and get an even better price.

BMW are not hard to work on, and are really not that bad to maintain once you know what to look for.
 

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Regarding the unit I linked compared to other ones like it - there may be a cheaper way of doing it, but it seems they are hit and miss and I bought that one and can confirm it works. Also, if you have an old laptop lying around still running Windows XP, this is its time to shine.

Regarding the type of unit I linked comparing it to a standard OBD, there is definitely an advantage. With this tool you can program the car. Not just the dealer stuff (like do you want the alarm to beep or not when you lock it) but also stuff like being able to roll up the windows when you hold the lock button down (in the US market we can only roll down by remote, not up). Lots of other things too, that was just an example. Also the BMW diagnostic system (DIS, the one in that package, is for vehicles up to and including the OP's e60. Later cars use ista/p, which that same ebayer also has, but I haven't bought that one), while ridiculously intuitive to use, gives you way more detailed information than an OBD scan tool and can perform diagnostic tests on the car. Newer BMWs (basically, the ones that don't look like the late 90s - 2002+ 7-series, 2003+ 6-series, 2004+ 5-series, 2006+ 3-series) need to have the car told when you install a new battery (yes, really, it's insane). I don't think any standard OBD tool can do that, but the BMW software can.

You are correct. This goes way above and beyond a regular obd tool, even the fancy snapon units can't hang. You can do a lot with that cable and software. Literally run a test on every window, relay, bleed brakes by activating each corner abs. You can run test plans that let you diagnose a problem very very thorough. You can change parameters in the software as to how the car behaves, when it locks, what lights turn on when, lots and lots of options. Even ability to update the software on the car.
 
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