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CNGsaves

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^ ^ ^ Yes, yes, YES . . . . that's a great vise.

Since the guy painted the handle, beat him down on price under $100 :D

I'd also REMOVE all paint on "ball" that handle goes through and buff that up chrome shine !! ;)
 
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Slotard: i'd buy it and I don't NEED a vise, but it hardly looks used so pay the $100 and wire wheel off the paint CNG mentioned and you have an almost NOS 80 year old vise.

FR: great post.

Mark: thanks for more information

Yos: I love those old Craftsmans made by Rock Island vise company. interesting jaws so do you own the vise now and can you take a few more pictures of the jaws and post them?

Outlaw: vise bling is always good especially if its a vise from your favorite company which i'm guessing is Parker by the pictures you added of CRS's.
 

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I posted it, not him... and it got deleted shortly after the post so I imagine someone else got it.

Sorry I misquoted. I noticed that ad when it was one hour old but I am 250 miles away. Often on those "you ****" deals, even if you are the first to call the guy and he says come on down to pick it up, some scoundrel offers more cash and a quicker pick up and the seller renigs on his promise leaving you empty handed with an empty gas tank for a thank you. :mad:
 

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I was offered this. Thoughts? From the same guy I bought the Reed from.

This is a heavy duty fixed base Rock Island vise, made in USA. The jaws are 4 inches wide and are in pristine condition. Vise was manufactured April 1949--Hard to find tools of this caliber in this condition. Price $100.

YES, grab it. That looks like a very good vise and I'm not just talking about the paint job.

Just a week ago you were experiencing a famine and saying they're were no good vises in your area and now your feasting with some very nice vises.

By the way, I agree with the others about removing the paint off the spindle but I have had two original painted Rock Islands and almost everything was painted including the handle ball ends but not the handle itself.
 

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Outlaw: I'm glad you got those printing blocks. The Parker block seems to be the very one that was used to print the images I posted. The blocks are inked using a hard rubber roller. Any hobby shop that sells supplies for linoleum block printing will have what you need. Here is the whole catalog page that Parker 63 1/2 image came from. Have fun with those!

EDIT: Did anyone identify the other one?
 

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I was offered this. Thoughts? From the same guy I bought the Reed from.

This is a heavy duty fixed base Rock Island vise, made in USA. The jaws are 4 inches wide and are in pristine condition. Vise was manufactured April 1949--Hard to find tools of this caliber in this condition. Price $100.

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Those are solid vises. I'd grab it. I have a slightly larger one.
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I was offered this. Thoughts? From the same guy I bought the Reed from.

This is a heavy duty fixed base Rock Island vise, made in USA. The jaws are 4 inches wide and are in pristine condition. Vise was manufactured April 1949--Hard to find tools of this caliber in this condition. Price $100.


I vote that you buy it. Very reasonable price for its condition and the extra tag. Even though the handle is painted, at least the seller didn't paint the slide.
 

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Outlaw: I'm glad you got those printing blocks. The Parker block seems to be the very one that was used to print the images I posted. The blocks are inked using a hard rubber roller. Any hobby shop that sells supplies for linoleum block printing will have what you need. Here is the whole catalog page that Parker 63 1/2 image came from. Have fun with those!

EDIT: Did anyone identify the other one?

Thanks CRS! :beer:
 

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It's odd what he painted on what. On the Reed he painted the slide but not the handle, on this one he painted the handle but not the slide.

I emailed him asking what paint he used and asked him to let me know if he sells any fixed base vises, at which point he mentioned this. I haven't seen all that many other nice vices on CL.
 

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Last night was the reception for the charity art show that I entered my vise bookends a month ago. I was pleased that he bookends won 2nd place in the show, considering that I've never entered anything before. :D
 

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So, a tip of the hat, and :beer: for the link Thrum! :pimpflash

I made the guy an offer he didn't refuse, and here they are!

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Ha nice! Fast shipping for 3 bucks. There's probably some craft letterpress operations near the badlands that would be a wealth of information.

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Congrats Mark, those vise bookends are slick and I will file the thought of integrating vise chunks into furniture into the "todo" list...:thumbup:

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That makes me want to find some reasonably priced lighter duty US made vises, maybe with problems, and make bookends out of them.
 

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Vise #5 Columbian Gyro Twins 72 ½ and 73 ½

(See post #41697, Page 2085 for my previous posting)

I bought these two vises several years ago because they came as a pair, were priced cheaper than the same ones sold individually, and had a novel mount and unique form. At the time they didn’t seem to command any price premium, or maybe the seller just underpriced them. In any case, they currently are fetching inexplicably high prices.

Researching them, it appears they were designed originally by the Will-Burt company in Ohio. The company still exists but specializes in mobile towers and extendible masts. I suspect that they sold the rights and patterns to Columbian and focused on the more profitable aspects of their business. That they sold everything lock, stock, and barrel is clear since the castings are identical. The only identifier marking them as Columbian is a decal mounted in an oval depression in the casting.

I was skeptical when I first set them up since the novel mount allows the vise to swivel about two axes, and locks its position only when the jaws are tightened. Remarkably, the locking mechanism (a lever cam) works wonderfully, and as much as I don’t like conventional swivel vises, these have proven to be very handy.

As you can see from the attached brochure, there were two jaw styles and several mounting options available. There were also detachable pipe jaws available which I have never seen. In many ways this design works well as an easily adjustable fixture clamp, and that is largely how I use it.

The two jaw styles, one similar to a sheet metal vise, are both deep and broad enough to clamp blocky shapes and plates. I suspect that these vises would be useful for carvers or moldmakers. I use the 73 ½ to hold parts for filing, deburring, and Dremel work.

One feature I truly like is the smooth jaw faces on both vises. I have stuck PSA’ed neoprene to the jaws from time to time on the 72 ½ which does a great job preventing scratches on finished surfaces.

Finally, the narrow width of the vise and the ability to lay it over on its side make it very useful on the drill press. I have a bolt pattern on my table to secure the base and use it frequently to clamp small parts for drilling.
 

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That makes me want to find some reasonably priced lighter duty US made vises, maybe with problems, and make bookends out of them.

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Me too!
Gotta be a really wrecked one though. It would pain me to cut a useable vise in half to make bookends.
Using Bondo in that case would be fine! Broken shelf on the static side? No problem! Big ol' crack? Hey...more Bondo !
 
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Yeah, 4500S non power screw, they called it a tool room vise, chamfered jaws and toweres for filing.

I posted a single picture earlier asking what type vise this one was as I was considering purchasing it. Well, I pulled the trigger and it arrived today via FedEx - almost 60 lbs for the vise.





Is this the only Wilton vise with this type label?





The 4 1/2" jaws meet well.





and they have an unusual pattern on the face





Marking on the slide is 1 74





Finally, a welcome from the little guy.





Now, can anyone elaborate more on this vise, and tell how it fits in with other numbered Wilton bullet-style vises?


Blue
 
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Thank you for the kind words & encouragement about the bookends. Unfortunately none sold. :(
A weak night for the art show overall, but it was a good experience.
 

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Ok guys, I got my Parker 5x all tore apart. I don't think I am going to do a full blown refurb on it yet. I just want to clean it up really good and lube it so it works nice as I plan on using it. 2 questions...can I soak the vise down with degreaser and power wash it? Don't know if water will "hurt" the vise. Also what type of lubricant should I use on the lead screw and rail etc.? As always any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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Rock, those Will Burt Versa Vises are very popular with gunsmiths for obvious reasons. The "sheet metal" vise is more useful to someone shaping a stock than a sheet metal worker.

I think Will Burt made those under contract to Colombian. Fairly common for someone with something unique and patented to do so. Paper labels make it easy to do so without major tooling expenses. We would need company dates etc and possibly records to be sure, but I believe Will Burt was still in business relatively recently.
 

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mrmiller, you shouldn't have any problems with getting it wet as long as you don't leave it wet. An unlubed freshly machined or cleaned up surface may flash rust a tiny bit, but that's easy enough to wipe off.
 

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Hmmm, I wonder if that vise will end up at the Institute For Criminally Abused Vises in Colorado ? It certainly needs professional help. :lol_hitti
 

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Wow. What would something like that weigh? Did Wilton use a thread pitch that I could easily find a nut in? I haven't played with one, but I doubt it would be all that difficult to make something work.
 

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I posted a single picture earlier asking what type vise this one was as I was considering purchasing it. Well, I pulled the trigger and it arrived today via FedEx - almost 60 lbs for the vise.





Is this the only Wilton vise with this type label?





The 4 1/2" jaws meet well.





and they have an unusual pattern on the face





Marking on the slide is 1 74





Finally, a welcome from the little guy.





Now, can anyone elaborate more on this vise, and tell how it fits in with other numbered Wilton bullet-style vises?


Blue

What is the table saw they are sitting on? Looks brand new, and I see the biesemeyer fence.
 

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I posted a single picture earlier asking what type vise this one was as I was considering purchasing it. Well, I pulled the trigger and it arrived today via FedEx - almost 60 lbs for the vise.





and they have an unusual pattern on the face





Now, can anyone elaborate more on this vise, and tell how it fits in with other numbered Wilton bullet-style vises?


Blue

Blue, I have seen this vise previously on this thread. From what I recall, GJ members Catalize and Autopts believed this was an anniversary model, maybe someone has a link to those posts?

Also, looking at the jaws, my guess is someone redid them, they do not look factory original.
 

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"Blue" --- Your Wilton 4500S has a mucho complicated first cousin...

The Wilton PowRscrew...

These are the only Wilton vises I know of that have the "Stylized - W"...

Some of us thought the "W" was two X's denoting Wilton's 20th Anniversary, but we were wrong...again...

Either of the vises are dynamite clampers...

New jaws can be had from Kevin Scott at www.wiltonviseparts.net ...:thumbup:

That vise desrves a good restoration, and some new jaws...and then you'd own a clamper worth north of $350.00...:bowdown::)
 

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"Blue" --- Your Wilton 4500S has a mucho complicated first cousin...

The Wilton PowRscrew...

These are the only Wilton vises I know of that have the "Stylized - W"...

Some of us thought the "W" was two X's denoting Wilton's 20th Anniversary, but we were wrong...again...

Either of the vises are dynamite clampers...

New jaws can be had from Kevin Scott at www.wiltonviseparts.net ...:thumbup:

That vise desrves a good restoration, and some new jaws...and then you'd own a clamper worth north of $350.00...:bowdown::)


Thanks oldldh,

I got this vise with intentions of it being my main clamper. It'll get a proper restoration, and I'm quite familiar with the quality of work done by Kevin Scott - he made a set of jaws for my 1800's Parker 0 and wrote about it in the vise repair thread - I'll order new jaws from him soon.


Blue
 

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Thanks oldldh,

I got this vise with intentions of it being my main clamper.
It'll get a proper restoration, and I'm quite familiar with the quality of work done by Kevin Scott - he made a set of jaws for my 1800's Parker 0 and wrote about it in the vise repair thread - I'll order new jaws from him soon.


Blue

Might want to be careful with that depending on what you typically do. Those were designed for tool room use, final fitting, aka careful use by machinists. With the over hung jaws and thin towers it's not one that you want to clamp a caliper hanger in and go to town.
 

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Your best bet is to grind the end slightly of a piece of 5/16" enough to fit the hole. I assume it is the pin holding the nut in. Cut the rod to lenght and put in your drill and put it on the grinder with both running. This will keep the rod round with no flat spots.

Outlaw, I bet it is bent in the middle.
 
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The pin I drove out of the bottom of my Parker vise I believe to be 9/32"? Where do I find one? Thank you.

Mr.M
You can buy drill rod in various diameters.... It is great for pins, etc that aren't readily available..... Amazon is one source but any industrial supply will have/can get it....
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I would love to be able to reuse the pin but it is badly bent. Sorry I did forget to mention its the pin that holds the nut in.

Those are (obviously) very soft, so I'd first try straightening it (I don't think I've ever seen one NOT bent at least a little). If it's beyond that, go to a hardware store with the heavy "spike" nails and see if one is the right size, or if not, just a tad larger and do what Get said.

I would not use a hardened pin for this use. you want that pin to have some give, as the castings don't...

The other thing is if the pin is not hard against the nut, being soft enough to bend allows you to bend it into the nut to keep it from walking.
 
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