The VISES of Garage Journal

[CwazyWabbit]

Can't really see properly but is the dynamic jaw higher than the static one?
Maybe from a different vice?

The only Parkinsons I own is a woodwork vice so I'm not sure what I'm looking for as far as differences go.

What is it then.

The first thing that is unusual is that the Model J No 38 is one of the Steel vises made by Parkinsons so it should have Samsonia cast into it. This one is evidently from before Parkinson came up with the Samsonia brand name.

The second thing is that all Parkinson/Samsonia quick release vises that have the single piece static jaw have jaws inserts bolted through the jaw not screwed into the casting like these.

This style must have only been produced for a short while.

 

[demographic]

Ebay listing for a quick release Rock Island vice, never seen one like it but I'm no expert on US metal.

To me its very like UK Records.

 

[dutchgray]

CW
That's not the first Parkinson QR with screw on inserts that I have seen, but the other one was very rough and had been drilled right through the casting, it also looked like the static and dynamic weren't from the same vice.
That one is certainly interesting.

 

[Fordriver6]

I'm thinking that this vise is Chicom, but the length of the main handle isn't typical of Chicom. Listed for $100 as a heavy duty machinist vise.

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/tls/5499128152.html







Only one I've found that looks similar is from Enco and it's light duty.

http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/34206-light-duty-economy-bench-vises-427-8604.html



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[Fretters]

I'm thinking that this vise is Chicom, but the length of the main handle isn't typical of Chicom. Listed for $100 as a heavy duty machinist vise.

It's a Bison Bial.

http://www.bison-bial.co.uk/vises/bench-vises/1250

 

[CwazyWabbit]

CW
That's not the first Parkinson QR with screw on inserts that I have seen, but the other one was very rough and had been drilled right through the casting, it also looked like the static and dynamic weren't from the same vice.
That one is certainly interesting.

I also saw one where static and dynamic appeared to be from different vices, was it on eBay? The one I saw was on eBay sometime last year.

Fretters has seen a couple but thinks they were all Model F's, either way they are unusual, and I can't recall seeing a Samsonia that wasn't a Samsonia.

Certainly interesting as you say

 

[bagged89s10]

Ebay listing for a quick release Rock Island vice, never seen one like it but I'm no expert on US metal.



To me its very like UK Records.

Ahhhhh, a British rock island vise.

 

[Fordriver6]

It's a Bison Bial.

http://www.bison-bial.co.uk/vises/bench-vises/1250

Thanks Fretters. The long handle told me it wasn't Chicom. Appreciate the I.D. [emoji106]

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[demographic]

Ahhhhh, a British rock island vise.

Yeah, seems a bit that way.
Just looked through Google images looking for one like it and not spotted one yet.
Anyone?
Just to reiterate, I don't own it, just spotted it for sale.

 

[honza.vosalik]

What vise is this one? http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/5500130055.html

 

[GETRIDAONE]

I think that is a Yost vise. The Y on it and the pinched handle ends

 

[honza.vosalik]

I think that is a Yost vise. The Y on it and the pinched handle ends

Any clue about the age? What about the asking price?

 

[Shiftless]

h.v That's a great deal for a 4 inch Yost.
You're closer than I am...grab it today!

 

[slotard]

Looks like it's gone, I assume it's the one I posted here and PMd you. I hope you got it.

 

[Z3K3Y]

Just a quick question about jaw opening width and how it is measured.. is the measurement done with jaw open at its widest with the main screw still fully threaded ? or is it measured just before the screw falls out but the vice still stays level?

 

[bagged89s10]

So I put my Parker 433-1/2 semi-together to compare it to the Wilton C0. Both are 3-1/2" wide jaw vises with pipe jaws and both weigh just under 50lbs.


I'm partial to Parker vises so that's going to be the one I keep.

What 3-1/2" combination vise do you guys prefer between the 2?

 

[Fretters]

Just a quick question about jaw opening width and how it is measured.. is the measurement done with jaw open at its widest with the main screw still fully threaded ? or is it measured just before the screw falls out but the vice still stays level?

The rear end of the slide should be at most level with the rear of the housing, but not inside it. Open the vice any further and it becomes unsupported at the rear end of the slide, hence useless.

 

[Fretters]

What 3-1/2" combination vise do you guys prefer between the 2?

The Parker.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Just a quick question about jaw opening width and how it is measured.. is the measurement done with jaw open at its widest with the main screw still fully threaded ? or is it measured just before the screw falls out but the vice still stays level?

I think when the end of the slide is even with the back of the main housing will be the max opening between the jaws. I just measured a Parker 976 I had on the bench and checked catalog opening which is 10 1/2", it matches.

 

[Outlawmws]

Just a quick question about jaw opening width and how it is measured.. is the measurement done with jaw open at its widest with the main screw still fully threaded ? or is it measured just before the screw falls out but the vice still stays level?

I think when the end of the slide is even with the back of the main housing will be the max opening between the jaws. I just measured a Parker 976 I had on the bench and checked catalog opening which is 10 1/2", it matches.

I think it needs both; full slide engagement and full screw engagement.

 

[Outlawmws]

So I put my Parker 433-1/2 semi-together to compare it to the Wilton C0. Both are 3-1/2" wide jaw vises with pipe jaws and both weigh just under 50lbs.


I'm partial to Parker vises so that's going to be the one I keep.

What 3-1/2" combination vise do you guys prefer between the 2?

I prefer the Parker as well, but I'd bet the Wilton in this case would win a strength test. Seen too many of the tall Parkers broken.

 

[S4cruiser]

Listed locally. Guy says it's a 8" Wilton...maybe one of the mechanic style ones

 

[TreePointer]

Listed locally. Guy says it's a 8" Wilton...maybe one of the mechanic style ones

It does indeed look like one of the newer model Wilton mechanics vices with "T" shaped jaws. I often see them with red paint.

 

[NJ Marty]

I'm thinking that this vise is Chicom, but the length of the main handle isn't typical of Chicom. Listed for $100 as a heavy duty machinist vise.

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/tls/5499128152.html







Only one I've found that looks similar is from Enco and it's light duty.

http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/34206-light-duty-economy-bench-vises-427-8604.html



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Almost looks like a Polish Rapid vise. They are VERY good vises.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATCO-Machin...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

[topop101]

Listed locally. Guy says it's a 8" Wilton...maybe one of the mechanic style ones

Missing pipe jaws...

 

[topop101]

So I put my Parker 433-1/2 semi-together to compare it to the Wilton C0. Both are 3-1/2" wide jaw vises with pipe jaws and both weigh just under 50lbs.


I'm partial to Parker vises so that's going to be the one I keep.

What 3-1/2" combination vise do you guys prefer between the 2?

I like parkers just not this style of combo. So I would go with the Wilton. But this style of wilton isn't may fav, I like the model that uses 2 pins to hold in the pipe jaws. To me it's there best looking vintage.

 

[autopts]

So I put my Parker 433-1/2 semi-together to compare it to the Wilton C0. Both are 3-1/2" wide jaw vises with pipe jaws and both weigh just under 50lbs.


I'm partial to Parker vises so that's going to be the one I keep.

Keeping the Parker is a wise decision. The Wilton on resale will net so much more, besides that you could use that Parker hard and it won't depreciate much anyway.

 

[Shiftless]

So I put my Parker 433-1/2 semi-together to compare it to the Wilton C0. Both are 3-1/2" wide jaw vises with pipe jaws and both weigh just under 50lbs.


I'm partial to Parker vises so that's going to be the one I keep.

Keeping the Parker is a wise decision. The Wilton on resale will net so much more, besides that you could use that Parker hard and it won't depreciate much anyway.

autopts:
I agree. That would be my move as well.
Excellent ad-"vice"

 

[oldldh]

ForDriver6 --- Those Bison-Bial vises come in "Grown up" sizes, too...

Here's an 8"'er that is a beast...200mm is tad less than eight...

Sold on Ebay for $ 150.00, if my old memory chips are still functioning (I bid $ 125.00, and went to bed...Seller had a reserve a tad higher than my bid, but $ 150.00 got it bought...110 lbs, I think, light for a vise that big)...

Helluva vise at a Helluva price...

But, it was a "Swivelin' B@#tard", so it would not have been a keeper , for me...

 

[oldldh]

Lady welders at the Lincoln Motors Factory in 1918...

A vise???

A work holder???

A clamper???

Gotta be a vise...

But --- What type???

 

[Fretters]

Fixed between a pair of centres so that they can easily rotate the piece, or it's possibly a rod running through the piece.

 

[drivesitfar]

Oldie: i'd like to own one of those clampers the gals are working on at the factory.

thanks for sharing

Demographic: I can't recall ever seeing a Rock Island quick release vice. that one looks like original jaws were replaced and maybe they had jaw covers with those holes on the side of the towers. cool looking vice.

 

[Blue Frog]

Lady welders at the Lincoln Motors Factory in 1918...

A vise???

A work holder???

A clamper???

Gotta be a vise...

But --- What type???

Mike Paxton, a member here, has something similar for sale on C/L, and I think he's posted it somewhere here on GJ. Here's the C/L ad:

http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5496072395.html

Blue

 

[Fordriver6]

oldldh Thanks for the info on that bigger Bison Bial. I would love to get that 100mm one, but the 8 hour round trip with both my running vehicles getting less than 15 mpg means I'm gonna have to pass on it.

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[honza.vosalik]

NOT chicom, I'd grab it...

Apparently the guy sold it already yesterday. I was too hesitative. Need to act faster next time

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Oldldh.

ForDriver6 --- Those Bison-Bial vises come in "Grown up" sizes, too...
Here's an 8"'er that is a beast...200mm is tad less than eight
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They came in size small to Old.---I would have loved to had that 8 incher but was watching 2 other items and never looked around.


Actually I'm really not sure what this is, it just looks like what has been discussed.

Weighs 10 lbs. 8 oz..---Has 2 1/2'' jaws.---Has a badge that I wire brushed to reveal nothing.---Don't know what that is for.


Sorry Old, it's a swiveler to.

 

[firworks]

I found an ad for my Columbian C44 on Scuttle:

I guess it was originally red.

Edit:
Who is it that runs the vise restoration thread? I swear I've seen it in someone's signature. I thought it was drivesitfar but seems not.

 

[Fretters]

They came in size small to Old.

I have the size just above yours; A 80. Mines a fixed base though. One point to mention for anyone considering these is the fact they have a cast in nut. Some may like that feature, some may not.

 

[va.grouseman]

A few more pics of the 63.

 

[Fretters]

Apparently the guy sold it already yesterday. I was too hesitative. Need to act faster next time

Now that you know what they are, you'll have no need to hesitate next time. Construction seems sturdy enough. Typical English style construction, with replaceable jaw inserts, sprung leadscrew to remove any backlash etc. The nut is part of the main housing rather than being a separate piece. They're generally an all-round nice vice.