The VISES of Garage Journal
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PghJKB
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Yes on the pipe jaws - cast in are not the best but will due. And they will only handle small diameter pipe.
There should be a product code on the right side of the vise - if it starts with 506 it is Columbian. If it is 391 it is Japanese made - but they were very well made vises. A comparison is in order, but I think they are every bit the equal of the Columbian made ones.
JKB
rmalkow2
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And we stil don't believe you; if nothing else because MacGiver is make believe...
Wait!!! What's that you say? MacGyver is not real? And I was just setting up to weld some broken cast aluminum connecting rods back together using my generator, some jumper cables and a couple quarters.
Dang! Another bubble burst.
honza.vosalik
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Looks like these guys went lower on their prices this week.
Charles Parker 995 - originally $300, now $250.
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/5503629411.html
Hollands 53 1/2 - originally $400, now $220
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/5495400651.html
The Parker was first posted this (last?) week, while the Hollands has been around for a while.
Charles Parker 995 - originally $300, now $250.
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/5503629411.html
Hollands 53 1/2 - originally $400, now $220
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/5495400651.html
The Parker was first posted this (last?) week, while the Hollands has been around for a while.
bagged89s10
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For $30, go back for it! It's cheaper than a good boat anchor
Reassembled the 600 last night, and pretty happy with it, much better than the safety yellow it was previously. I flipped the jaws, added new allen screws, and cleaned up the exposed metal a little bit. I'll need to find or make a couple of pins for the main nut, and was considering painting the raised letters of the logo.
It has a date stamp of 2/91, but from the little knowledge I have of Wiltons, it appears to have the older curved logo. Is this the typical design of early 90's 600's, or could the dynamic have been replaced? Just curious
Very nice!
joe.striper
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I'll post this to the repair thread as well but for the newbies who need handles......this handle is on my Parker 973 I'm restoring. This handle is almost an exact duplicate of the factory original. 7/16ths rod, a MAP has torch, BFH and anvil. Took less than an hour total time including wire wheel and buffing. Elegant and simple. Easiest handle I've made.
I used the clamps to secure the handles movement which made heating and hammering much easier. I'll use this method again on small vises. It is cheap and replacing the handle allows me to machine the spindle bolt on my lathe to remove scratches etc...
I used the clamps to secure the handles movement which made heating and hammering much easier. I'll use this method again on small vises. It is cheap and replacing the handle allows me to machine the spindle bolt on my lathe to remove scratches etc...
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Some more pictures of my Wilton bullet swivel jaw 350SJ. Yes I knew about the chip broken out on it when I bought it.
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scooternut
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It is the other side that you need to see. Like PghJKB said, it will have part no prefix 506 (people say Columbian) or 391 (Japan). The pic below has them both, note the "made in the USA" under the 506 prefix
honza.vosalik
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Just got a phone call from an old gentleman. He said he has a vise Made in USA numbered 50651840. By searching I found this thread where there's the same type of vise. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195982
He's asking $75.
He's asking $75.
scooternut
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Nice work on that handle Joe!
Also a lot easier and cheaper than sourcing or machining ball ends and fitting them
Also a lot easier and cheaper than sourcing or machining ball ends and fitting them
slotard
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Any decent 7" for $75 is a steal.
bagged89s10
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I always new you were an elegant guy. Lol. Nice work joe. It's an almost exact replica to the original late model Parker vise handle!
honza.vosalik
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It opens 7", jaws are 4.5" wide
Outlawmws
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A 5184 is NOT a 7" vise; its got 4-1/2" jaws, weighs 48 lbs and if not slighted in some way, well worth $75
EDIT: crossed in the posting...
KMScott
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Picked up this Parker # 79 today. Almost 30 lbs heavier then my 956. Balancing this guy on the scale was tuff but it registered almost 160 lbs. I am excited to work on this guy but gonna think about what this vise needs to get back to work. New jaws of course, might be a good canidate for Aluminum Bronze wear plates in the slide area. The meat ball is the largest I have seen so far, even bigger then the #58 's. Thinking of building a heavy stand and make a nice working vise. Figure a good way to handle the big 45 degree heavy chamfer that this and other vises have. Gonna repair the crack in the back of the slide where the Prentiss's crack. Need to research what the Semi Steel Solid bar means. Maybe some one knows and can share. I know Parker cast's a steel bar to strengthen this area so maybe that is what this means.
Paid $117 in a online auction. Won it then a blizzard hit us hard earlier this week. Shut down Denver for a good day, we got it worse in the Mountains, just today I was able to pick it up.
Paid $117 in a online auction. Won it then a blizzard hit us hard earlier this week. Shut down Denver for a good day, we got it worse in the Mountains, just today I was able to pick it up.
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For $30, go back for it! It's cheaper than a good boat anchor
Reassembled the 600 last night, and pretty happy with it, much better than the safety yellow it was previously. I flipped the jaws, added new allen screws, and cleaned up the exposed metal a little bit. I'll need to find or make a couple of pins for the main nut, and was considering painting the raised letters of the logo.
It has a date stamp of 2/91, but from the little knowledge I have of Wiltons, it appears to have the older curved logo. Is this the typical design of early 90's 600's, or could the dynamic have been replaced? Just curious
Wilton seemed to dig a lot of older castings out of the corners to me LOL. Also the later Wilton 600's didn't have the jaw insert bolts go from the back like yours. I don't know what year that changed.
Outlawmws
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Dr, Scott, I'm not sure if the Semi-Steel was Parker's name for the ductile iron alloy they used, or in reference to those reinforcing bars. I've sen drawings from Parker with two round bars and a single flat bar. IIR the flat bar was on later drawings.
On the 45 deg. bottom gusset, he easiest fix is a thick wood block and simply make the stand shorter by its thickness.
There! That took 2 tries! (try 1 disappeared?
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ps: Nice find and score Dr. Scott!
On the 45 deg. bottom gusset, he easiest fix is a thick wood block and simply make the stand shorter by its thickness.
There! That took 2 tries! (try 1 disappeared?
)ps: Nice find and score Dr. Scott!
CRSINMICH
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KMS: Here are some Parker ads from 1906. Of course since it is advertising the information is a bit vague but you might find it useful. Notice that in that year your No. 79 would have set you back $24. That would have been a huge amount of money then.
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Hemi49
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For $30, go back for it! It's cheaper than a good boat anchor
Reassembled the 600 last night, and pretty happy with it, much better than the safety yellow it was previously. I flipped the jaws, added new allen screws, and cleaned up the exposed metal a little bit. I'll need to find or make a couple of pins for the main nut, and was considering painting the raised letters of the logo.
It has a date stamp of 2/91, but from the little knowledge I have of Wiltons, it appears to have the older curved logo. Is this the typical design of early 90's 600's, or could the dynamic have been replaced? Just curious
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Nice 600.....it would look nice setting next to my 500S
Hemi
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Rileysan
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I've never heard this term before. I'll ask our metallurgist on Monday, but I have a feeling it's a marketing term that identifies a patented recipe. If Parker didn't reveal what it means, I doubt we will ever know.
Brian
CRSINMICH
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I saw the biggest Wilton Bullet I've ever seen in person a few days ago, it wasn't for sale. The guy said it weighed 150 lb. He also had a Baldor bench grinder that he said weighed 800 lb. and I don't doubt it, I've never seen one that big.
I picked up some new weights to make sure my bench doesnt fall over.
RAE No. 4, RAE 50, Record No. 2 & Record No. 6 . I got the RAE 50 and the Record No. 6 for 80 dollars at an electrical contractors business closing.. the No. 6 is in great shape.. as well as the RAE 50
RAE No. 4, RAE 50, Record No. 2 & Record No. 6 . I got the RAE 50 and the Record No. 6 for 80 dollars at an electrical contractors business closing.. the No. 6 is in great shape.. as well as the RAE 50
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CwazyWabbit
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I always assumed it just referred to the fact there is a steel bar cast into the length of the slide to add strength..... seems to make them more prone to cracking tbh.
KMScott
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Thanks Riley, and Outlaw. The articles are a great reference and thanks for that CRSINMICH. Gonna strip the paint off today and see what is hidden.
On another note, priced a new CNC while I was in Denver. Looks like a new one is coming my way. I need one with a toolchanger, my old one is just about wore out. They need to lower the machine by 9 inches so it can fit in between my rafters. Gonna have some fun if Hass can help me. Now I have to sell off my woodworking machines.
On another note, priced a new CNC while I was in Denver. Looks like a new one is coming my way. I need one with a toolchanger, my old one is just about wore out. They need to lower the machine by 9 inches so it can fit in between my rafters. Gonna have some fun if Hass can help me. Now I have to sell off my woodworking machines.
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I bought a record No. 5 a few weeks back. and i got a screw replacement kit for it.. i managed to get it apart.. but for the life of me cant get it back together. the slide has a big plate at the end stopping me from putting on the main nut after the spring and washer is on.. is there a certain way i have to do things here? i thought maybe i had to slip the nut up from under the base.. but it doesnt fit through there.. i tried looking on a few youtube videos.. but i didnt find anything useful.. .. i can get the nut on fine with the spring,washer, and pin out.. but as soon as those are in.. its too tight to get the nut on.. and if i get the nut on first, before putting the pin in.. i cant slide the jaw back in.. the nut hits on the base... i know there is an easy solution to this.. im just having a major brain fart today. here is some pics of where i am at.. and the replacement screw.. notice the difference in thread on the screw..
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slotard
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Those threads sure don't look compatible. Not gonna work unless you got a new nut or something.
drivesitfar
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Z3: you might want to take this post over to the vise repair 101 thread so the answer can be looked up easier for the next guy with the same issue. you know you have a different thread on your screw and a slightly different hub on your new(used) replacement?
several guys have made a pipe to hold the springs in place and a slot to put in the pins, but with the closed ends of your vise you'll have to modify that. i'll let the guys from across the pond tell you how they do their vices because they deal with that repair a lot.
nice buy on the vises and nice way to fill up a bench quickly with some quality English and Canadian old steel.
Slot: he bought the new (used) vise nut with that screw as you can see it on there, but it is different which might be the issue.
several guys have made a pipe to hold the springs in place and a slot to put in the pins, but with the closed ends of your vise you'll have to modify that. i'll let the guys from across the pond tell you how they do their vices because they deal with that repair a lot.
nice buy on the vises and nice way to fill up a bench quickly with some quality English and Canadian old steel.
Slot: he bought the new (used) vise nut with that screw as you can see it on there, but it is different which might be the issue.
yea . i noticed the hub is a bit different. but they measure up all the same.. and yes slot.. got a brand new nut too. it a factory replacement NOS from record. ill take drives advice and head on over to the repair thread. i got 4 or 5 records that are all the same design.. im gonna be cleaning them all up eventually. thanks for the info
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Envious
Going from a knee or bed type mill to a true VMC is night and day, especially for new production. Although you may find it a bit limiting with all the custom fixturing you have to do. Plan on keeping your manual machine?bagged89s10
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Kevin. There is literally a steel bar cast into the top of the slide. Here is a a picture of the slide on my Parker 804.
jakemac
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Picked up two vises this morning. Both have 3-1/8" jaws.
The first is an unmarked Parker #2 (the only marking in the cast is the 2) @ 36lbs. Missing the front collar (screw snapped off in hole), 3" crack in slide, broken rear foot, worn/chipped jaws. Paid $15.
The second is a Franklin Tool Co. (Buffalo, NY) #3 @ 10lbs. Needs a new collar on the screw, and maybe a bushing behind the nose to fill the large opening in the dynamic jaw. Paid $10.
I'd post more pics, but the tablet only lets me post one at a time and I don't want to be posting all afternoon.
The first is an unmarked Parker #2 (the only marking in the cast is the 2) @ 36lbs. Missing the front collar (screw snapped off in hole), 3" crack in slide, broken rear foot, worn/chipped jaws. Paid $15.
The second is a Franklin Tool Co. (Buffalo, NY) #3 @ 10lbs. Needs a new collar on the screw, and maybe a bushing behind the nose to fill the large opening in the dynamic jaw. Paid $10.
I'd post more pics, but the tablet only lets me post one at a time and I don't want to be posting all afternoon.
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McBrownie
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KM,
You bought a Parker? I thought you had a love/hate relationship with Parkers leaning more towards hate.
It will be interesting to see your fix for the crack or "stitch line" in the slide. Kind of looks like something wasn't up to temperature when they cast it.ganymede
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code4pay
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Picked up this little guy from the local recycling center for $5.00 AUD. To think the wife tells me there is nothing but junk there
Only has the M on the front as any identification.
Only has the M on the front as any identification.
KMScott
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KM,
You bought a Parker? I thought you had a love/hate relationship with Parkers leaning more towards hate.
No your wrong, they are in my top 3 vise manufacturers. 1) Reeds. 2) Parkers and 3) Hollands Had to dig out my collection to share, I have picked these up in the last two years and none are from the Golden Pile. Just cleaning up the Parker 79 so I can take a look.
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Thanks for clearing up the mystery ganymede. The Machinery Handbook is not opened enough here in my shop. There is so much information there. Was required to take a class back in my Tool Making Apprenticeship just on the Machinery Handbook. Thanks for looking. I need to read about Nodular Iron, imagine a vise built out of that stuff.
oldldh
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It almost works...
Look!!!
I've found a unicorn/rocking horse manure rare vise!!!
Wow!!!
A Ford Nine Inch!!!
honza.vosalik
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joe.striper
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Saw an ad at 11pm last night for a 'canady-otto three jawed vise, $125'. I emailed the seller and came home with this...another Emmert 6a vise. My second in 18 months.
Just going to flip this. No desire to restore another. Needs a set of smoooth jaws, needs a base handle, otherwise in just great shape. Pd $100 for it. Bought a knife sander (2" x 48) as well for $25
Just going to flip this. No desire to restore another. Needs a set of smoooth jaws, needs a base handle, otherwise in just great shape. Pd $100 for it. Bought a knife sander (2" x 48) as well for $25
