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Thursday - March 24, 2016

Tomorrow the Builder, the Dirt Moving Sub & myself are to meet to discuss what needs to be done to the get the building site ready for all the exterior concrete.

I believe the Electrician is going to try to get a trench dug from the utility pole to the Lone Beech Garage on Monday. I'm looking forward to getting full power to the building!


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Scott,

This getting even more exciting. I know the building is not done, but I can't wait for the tool acquisition stage! Keep on building!

Than
 
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I am just in awe of your build and great thread.:thumbup:

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Scott,

This getting even more exciting. I know the building is not done, but I can't wait for the tool acquisition stage! Keep on building!

Than


Thank you Gentlemen.

I really have most of the tools already. Everything is in my basement. I can pretty much walk from one end of the basement to the other without touching the floor. Ha!

Granted it's hard to work on anything with a situation like that. I'm looking forward to getting things spread out!

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Friday - March 25, 2016

Last night we got our first rain in quite a while. This is welcome at this time of the year to clear the air of some of the pollen. Despite the rain, the pollen count was reported to be over 3700 this evening. I don't know what that means except that anything over 200 is considered high.

So the building site is a little muddy but not bad. I did take a quick peek into the Tornado Shelter and it was dry.

The only activity on the building site was this morning was the Electrician doing some clean-up work. Not a lot of photo ops today.



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The circuit breaker panel cover is on and the last of the florescent tubes have been installed.


With only about 30 amps of temporary electricity available at the main panel, if I turn all the lights on it would overwhelm the available current. I was hoping we'd get the trench cut on Monday for the electrical hookup from the building to the utility pole but we're expecting Thunderstorms on Sunday. The thing with that sort of a forecast is the spotty nature of a thunderstorm. We could get a downpour or hardly anything. What happens will determine a lot of what we get accomplished next week.

The Builder, the Dirt Moving Sub and myself had a meeting this afternoon to discuss what we'd like to get accomplished in preparation for the exterior concrete that will be the next big phase of this project.

One request I had was to do the concrete in at least two phases. If we do the pad and driveway in front of the Lone Beech Garage first (the front being what's between the building and the road) and then the rest of the work, we can park our vehicles in the completed area while our garage is inaccessible due to construction blocking the house garage.

I spent part of the day trying to pick out exterior wall lighting for the building. I think I've got that pretty much figured out but I'm keeping my options open for the moment.

The bulk of my day was spent trying to decide what kind of fans to get for the work areas of the building. There are 7 fans; 4 in the Auto/Metal Shop and 3 in the Woodshop. The problem is that the fans in each room are controlled by a single switch in each room. I'm trying to find a way to control the speed of these fans with this sort of setup.

There is a Industrial Ceiling Fan made by Hampton Bay (Model 528560) available at Home Depot that is reported by other Garage Journal contributors to work well for shop spaces similar to mine but I'm trying to find a controller that can handle at least 4 of these at one time (according to the spec sheet a bit less than one amp per fan). I tried to provide a link directly to the product but I couldn't get that to work for some reason.

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Caparris,



Thanks! I'll be Googling this term.



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Scott



Google "Walk behind floor scrubber". I know you can rent them from most construction equipment rental companies around here so your builder should be able to get one.

The place is looking fantastic!
 

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I know what you mean about that pollen.. it has started getting miserable up here in NC.
 
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Google "Walk behind floor scrubber". I know you can rent them from most construction equipment rental companies around here so your builder should be able to get one.

The place is looking fantastic!

BluCamaro,

Once I started looking I did find the equipment available at rental companies. The trick is finding someone to apply the densifier and sealer after the cleaning is done.

Thanks for the kind words!

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Scott
 
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I know what you mean about that pollen.. it has started getting miserable up here in NC.

Caparris,

This too shall pass - quickly I hope. Ha!

I wouldn't mind a little rain to keep the pollen under control but if we got a lot it will goof up the exterior prep for the upcoming concrete work.

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Saturday - March 26, 2016

Today I was a bit surprised to see the Electrician's van parked in front of the Lone Beech Garage. He wasn't there for a long time but he knocked out a few more items.



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The Electrician was in the Tornado Shelter getting it wired up.




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I returned after the Electrician had left and found some light in the shelter and...




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The NEMA 14-50R receptacles had been installed (there are two in the building). I will be using these - with an adapter - for powering a welder or plasma cutter.



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Scott,

I got three of these:

http://www.barnlightelectric.com/ba...ns/56-black-commercial-grade-ceiling-fan.html

They are approx $75 each and I got 1 $25 speed controller switch that I have all three controlled by. They seem stout and at full speed really cook.

Than

Than,

Thanks for that link!

Since I started my fan quest I think I've learned something - belatedly - about how these items are wired. I'm pretty sure my electrician - although I intend to check with him next time I see him - only used 3 wires from the fans to the switch (Hot, Neutral & Ground). I believe a few more wires are necessary if one wants to control the fans in a wired fashion. If that is so then I'm going have to go the wireless-receiver-in-the-fan route to obtain control over the fan's rpm's.

However, maybe I've misunderstood the situation. How did you wire your 3 fans to your wall controller?

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Scott,

Hot, Neutral and ground. The switch is put on the hot leg.

Than

Than,

Interesting...

Do you happen to know the make & model of your switch?

I had come across the Canarm FRMC5 controller (5 amp - supposedly 4 fan maximum) and I thought it looked promising for the 3 fan room.

Then I looked at the User Guide which had a wiring diagram showing the need for a couple more wires than Hot, Neutral & Ground.

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Scott
 

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Than,



Interesting...



Do you happen to know the make & model of your switch?



I had come across the Canarm FRMC5 controller (5 amp - supposedly 4 fan maximum) and I thought it looked promising for the 3 fan room.



Then I looked at the User Guide which had a wiring diagram showing the need for a couple more wires than Hot, Neutral & Ground.



Best regards,



Scott



Scott,

I was tidying up yesterday and saw the box with instructions. Will try to find. I think the person who sold it to me mentioned a three or four Max.

Than

Edit:

Searched for order receipt and confirmed the switch is a Canarm MC5

It is a 5 amp switch capable of driving 4 fans.

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These look like the Hampton fans. Have they been installed? I do they perform?



shortykorte,

I have installed a bunch of fans over the years, including Hampton Bay, and these are nothing like those. They are supposed to be "industrial" and they certainly are faster than residential or at least noisier.

I have one in the box and will take pics. I am pleased with their performance.

Than
 
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Scott,

I was tidying up yesterday and saw the box with instructions. Will try to find. I think the person who sold it to me mentioned a three or four Max.

Than

Edit:

Searched for order receipt and confirmed the switch is a Canarm MC5

It is a 5 amp switch capable of driving 4 fans.

Than

Than,

Thanks - the information I linked to was for a Canarm product but not the MC5. When I looked at the MC5's installation instructions it had this item wired as you indicated, with a Hot, a Neutral & a Ground.

Now I'm trying to determine if the Canarm controller can be used with a covey of the Home Depot 60-Inch Industrial Fans.

Did the Canarm MC5 fit in a regular electrical switch box?

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Scott
 
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It replaced a toggle switch in a four gang box. The switch had three wires. One ground. Two black leads for the incoming and outgoing hot. Sorry my previous post was not clearer.

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It replaced a toggle switch in a four gang box. The switch had three wires. One ground. Two black leads for the incoming and outgoing hot. Sorry my previous post was not clearer.

Than


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Than,

Thanks.

Actually I believe that's how the Electrician has this wired to the single standard switch currently in the electrical box. So I'm the one that has it written wrong.

It sounds like the MC5 fit in the 4-gang electrical box, with whatever other switches you have in there, OK.

Thanks again for you help.

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Monday - March 28, 2016


Today was a quiet day following a rainy weekend. We did have a lot of sun and air movement today so perhaps we'll start moving dirt tomorrow.




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I spent most of the day driving between 3 Home Depots to find the lights and fans for the building. The fans were the hardest. It seemed to be a requirement at each location for half the fan inventory to have had their boxes crushed in some fashion. I did manage to accumulate 7 of them.


Scott
 
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Tuesday - March 29, 2016

Another day on inaction at the building site. I did accomplish a couple of things. The builder seems to not have anyone in his little black book that would be able to clean the concrete floor and apply a densifier and a sealer. I did a bit of work online today and I have a couple of contacts that I'm waiting for a response from.



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The news of the day was that I officially stepped into the 21st century (electrically) today. I bought my first LED light bulbs. These are about 2700K 60 Watt equivalent LED bulbs and they will be in the lights by the Man Doors. The way the "Lanterns" that I purchased are designed it is a bit of a pain to change light bulbs in them. Hopefully, as a result of this purchase, I won't have to change them at all.


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Scott, we have been using LEDs at work for a while now, mainly in outdoor applications how ever we have just completed a large workshop at one of our depots using them in lieu of high bay sodium vapour lights and they work well.:thumbup:

I have replace all our CFLs at home with Phillips lamps the same as yours and are very happy with their performance and output.

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YC-14 in your avatar. I think one of those is in Tucson at Pima Air Museum. I was Naval Aviation as well.
 

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Go rent a floor polisher with a bristle brush and buy a squeegee, you need one any way, liquid Tide is a great cleaner and do it yourself. By the time you find some one to clean the floor you could have it done. Any tool rental place or Home Depot will have them.
http://www6.homedepot.com/tool-truck-rental/Floor_Polisher/56382881/
go to the flooring section here and get your densifier and use a garden sprayer to apply it.
You will get a better job at a much lower cost.
 
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Go rent a floor polisher with a bristle brush and buy a squeegee, you need one any way, liquid Tide is a great cleaner and do it yourself. By the time you find some one to clean the floor you could have it done. Any tool rental place or Home Depot will have them.
http://www6.homedepot.com/tool-truck-rental/Floor_Polisher/56382881/
go to the flooring section here and get your densifier and use a garden sprayer to apply it.
You will get a better job at a much lower cost.

Jo Diesel,

I'll put my wife right on that.

Ha!

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Scott, we have been using LEDs at work for a while now, mainly in outdoor applications how ever we have just completed a large workshop at one of our depots using them in lieu of high bay sodium vapour lights and they work well.:thumbup:

I have replace all our CFLs at home with Phillips lamps the same as yours and are very happy with their performance and output.

Regards

1/2 Cup,

I was pleased to see that I could get the "warmer" 2700K color out of these rascals. My 20th century eyes are still expecting a yellowish light in some applications - like the Man Door Lanterns.

Best regards,

Scott
 
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YC-14 in your avatar. I think one of those is in Tucson at Pima Air Museum. I was Naval Aviation as well.

AZpilot,

Two prototypes were made. One's at the Pima, the other is not far away in "The Boneyard".

AOCS? ...or another entry point to Naval Aviation?

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Go rent a floor polisher with a bristle brush and buy a squeegee, you need one any way, liquid Tide is a great cleaner and do it yourself. By the time you find some one to clean the floor you could have it done. Any tool rental place or Home Depot will have them.
http://www6.homedepot.com/tool-truck-rental/Floor_Polisher/56382881/
go to the flooring section here and get your densifier and use a garden sprayer to apply it.
You will get a better job at a much lower cost.

Jo Diesel,

What was the Home Depot link supposed to take me to? When I click on it I'm taken to a generic Home Depot page. I've tried to add links to particular Home Depot pages myself and have had the same result.

Best regards,

Scott
 

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Tuesday - March 29, 2016

Another day on inaction at the building site. I did accomplish a couple of things. The builder seems to not have anyone in his little black book that would be able to clean the concrete floor and apply a densifier and a sealer. I did a bit of work online today and I have a couple of contacts that I'm waiting for a response from.




Scott

Jo Diesel,

I'll put my wife right on that.

Ha!

Best regards,

Scott


Funny you should mention that. The past 2 days the wife and I put down some sealer in our garage. A couple hours to take everything out and sweep, couple hours with the power washer and squeegee. Let it dry overnight.

There are some spots here and there, but not too bad for my purposes. I used a sealer called Prosoco SLX-100. Super easy to put down and doesn't change the appearance of the concrete at all. Spray it, spread it with the microfiber pad, and done. I wanted something simple and effective to keep the stains away. No idea how well it works, give me a few days to let it cure. About 4 gallons for 1700 sf.

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Funny you should mention that. The past 2 days the wife and I put down some sealer in our garage. A couple hours to take everything out and sweep, couple hours with the power washer and squeegee. Let it dry overnight.

There are some spots here and there, but not too bad for my purposes. I used a sealer called Prosoco SLX-100. Super easy to put down and doesn't change the appearance of the concrete at all. Spray it, spread it with the microfiber pad, and done. I wanted something simple and effective to keep the stains away. No idea how well it works, give me a few days to let it cure. About 4 gallons for 1700 sf.

ExxWhy,

That's great!

Where did you hear about this product and where did you purchase it?

Best regards,

Scott
 

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I asked my concrete guy and he sent me to one of his supplier reps that works for HD supply. He said they use this in schools and stadiums a lot because it's very good for ketchup and mustard. ;) Also supposed to be good for automotive fluids which is my requirement.

It's supposed to take 72 hours to reach full strength, I'll be testing it in a few days and report back.

Eric

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I asked my concrete guy and he sent me to one of his supplier reps that works for HD supply. He said they use this in schools and stadiums a lot because it's very good for ketchup and mustard. ;) Also supposed to be good for automotive fluids which is my requirement.

It's supposed to take 72 hours to reach full strength, I'll be testing it in a few days and report back.

Eric

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Eric,

Thanks! I look forward to hearing how it's going.

I looked via Google and found the manufacturer's web site. Supposedly they sell their products via Sherwin Williams Paint Stores. At least the local Sherwin-Williams was listed as carrying their stuff. I may stop by there tomorrow and see what the sales folks say.

By the way, you have a lovely helper on your project.

Best regards,

Scott
 
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Wednesday - March 30, 2016

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The sound of heavy equipment rumbling and beep-beep-beeping always causes Ash, my wife's cat, to go to his Happy Place. Unfortunately today the heavy equipment is not on my property but on the property behind us.




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The Electrician was hanging fans today. There are 7 on the main floor and he got 5 of them up before he had to leave to work on another project.




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Due to the nature of the 2-post lift that will be living in the center bay, I didn't want the fans in this area to have any more than an 18" down rod. This puts the bottom of these fans at a bit under 14-feet from the floor. The garage doors have plenty of clearance from the fans.




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The rest of the high ceiling fans have a 3-foot down rod. This puts the blades at about 13 feet off the floor. These are the fans in the Woodshop.

The 3-Foot down rod might be too close to the floor as they put out quite a breeze on high. We could only check them on high as the Canarm fan controllers will not arrive until tomorrow. If it turns out the fans need to have a shorter down rod to cut down on the wind, that should be an easy fix.


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Continued...


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The Electrician also got the two larger lanterns mounted between the garage doors.




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How they look during the day... they almost get lost next to my garage doors.




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I was pleased how they looked at night!



Scott
 
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Scott,

The exterior lights look great during the day and especially at night. Do you plan to have control of garage lights from house?

I ask because I am considering a remote solution for the external lights for the barn.

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I see there's light at the end of the tunnel as you breeze through each stage. Looking good!
 
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