As I am slowly finishing the inside of my barn, I want to add a (Stone) Fireplace/WoodStove any suggestions? or anyone already do something like this to their barn, this is where I am (pics below) I want to add it in between the windows. I was thinking Stone veneer!! but I am open for ideas. Thanks.
Fireplace/Wood Stove suggestions??
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Wes J
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A free standing stove is the most efficient heater. You're pretty far south, so it may not be that big of a deal. Stove veneer behind it would be fine I think. The stove manufacturer will give you minimum clearance to anything combustible.
As far as the stove itself, the Englander NC-30 is a really popular choice. It's simple, cheap, and holds a lot of wood. Any EPA rated stove should work for you.
Just remember to burn only dry wood that was split and stacked for at least one summer. A full year is even better. If it's something super dense like Locust or Oak, two years may be required. Burning wet or green wood is a real pain and can be dangerous.
As far as the stove itself, the Englander NC-30 is a really popular choice. It's simple, cheap, and holds a lot of wood. Any EPA rated stove should work for you.
Just remember to burn only dry wood that was split and stacked for at least one summer. A full year is even better. If it's something super dense like Locust or Oak, two years may be required. Burning wet or green wood is a real pain and can be dangerous.
Rossco
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Blaze king baby.
The King will go 30 - 40hrs on low.
The King will go 30 - 40hrs on low.
Pluribus
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Start with Craigslist! People sell them all the time for a fraction of the $2k+ new price for freestanding stoves. Most modern stoves have a diagram on a sticker that details clearances to combustible surfaces, and the distances generally aren't bad at all. If the stove has a cold air intake, that's even better, since you won't be sucking in cold air for combustion air. You can just run a small 3-4" duct to the outside wall for that.
Stoves after around 1990 are certified to burn a little cleaner than the older, non-certified ones. I think there's a new 2015 certification emissions level. Whatever you do, don't buy a catalytic stove!
Stoves after around 1990 are certified to burn a little cleaner than the older, non-certified ones. I think there's a new 2015 certification emissions level. Whatever you do, don't buy a catalytic stove!
Ironhorse74
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I have been in the hearth biz for a long time. These are my opinions and worth exactly what you are paying for them. NFPA 211 specifically states no solid fuel appliances in garages. Maybe you have a barn or a work shop? If I was going to buy a woodstove it would be a Pacific Energy Super 27 or some variant. You couldn't give me an old air tight. If I wanted a heating wood fireplace it would be an RSF Energy Opal. If I was going gas I would have a Mendota DXV 45. If you have natural gas a standing pilot is no big deal and much simpler. If you are on propane, a standing pilot will use 9 gallons of propane a month. Pay extra and get Intermittent Pilot Ignition. I hate pellet stoves, I have hatedpellet stoves since December 24, 1994.
Once again those are my opinions.
Brad
Once again those are my opinions.
Brad
Jazz1
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Don't buy PACIFIC ENERGY! I have a Pacific Energy Vista Classic. The wood box has cracked in 3 places. I contacted vendor who forwarded all my info to Pacific Energy 12/5/15/ Pacific Energy finally agreed to warranty the repair 3/31/16. Really...4 effing months to step up to the plate on a wood stove that carries a lifetime warranty on the wood box and they take all effing winter to decide. You really think every time stove develops a crack I want to wait 4 months for Pacific Energy to warranty the work and then have to cart stove to a shop. If thats the case better buy 3 stoves because one will always be waiting on warranty ruling while another is in the shop. Inferior product sold at premium prices!
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Ironhorse74
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That really bites. Without a doubt that is a manufacturing defect. Had I been the dealer that sold you that stove, I would have arrived with a replacement on my truck. Getting my distributor and Pacific Energy to warranty that stove would be my issue and not yours.
For what it is worth Pacific Energy makes a good product. Any manufacturer can have a defect. It is how it is handled. If they don't step up to the plate PM me and I will get it warranted for you.
Rossco
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Pretty ****** how that stove cracked up like that.
My 10 year old 'Super 27' in the shop has some minor cracking on the inside, nothing even close to that.
My 10 year old 'Super 27' in the shop has some minor cracking on the inside, nothing even close to that.
How big is the barn? Insulation?
That cracked Pacific looks cheaply made. Thin stamped steel front, bad design, probably chinese materials, over-fired. Good steel stoves do not do that. Look at pic two, if that is 3/16 to 1/4" top plate , how thick is the door surround? Get your money back, go buy a Napoleon or Blaze king, Englander, Lopi
Kevin54
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I replaced my old monster this year with a DAKA from Menard's. It has been a decent stove so far and my wood consumption has dropped significantly, granted it has gotten warmer.
LOL, here I am Kevin. I was typing and watching Deadliest Catch.
Ironhorse74
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Having been in this biz for over 25 years I have to say I haven't heard a more clueless opinion in a long time. Napolean and Englander are the absolute bottom of the **** heap. Blaze king is ok for a knock off stove and Travis (Lopi) has decent fit and finish but a horrible burn. Name a brand and I will show you a cracked stove. It is for the most part welding stress. It is how it is taken care of and this seems to be the case of an inept dealer.
Barn is 30x50x12
I am putting R-13 in the walls, I have can spray foamed all the metal indentions at the floor and wainscoating level and anywhere I can see daylight. I have not done anything on my ceiling yet, but I will, it does have the double bubble on there now.
Are you kidding me? Welding stress? Look at the pictures goofy, and tell me about welding stress..You're just a dealer, hell you probably sold this boy this ****
I've heated my house with wood for over 40 years, so you don't have to pull the "25 year biz"
card...I don't care
I've heated my house with wood for over 40 years, so you don't have to pull the "25 year biz"
card...I don't care
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Ironhorse74
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I was heating with wood before I was in the biz. I have sold and installed and serviced thousands of wood stoves. Including truck loads of Pacific Energy. I have seen cracked stoves from every manufacturer. However I do believe you know **** better than me.
Let's agree to disagree please.
OP, I heat my 30x40 with a vintage Fisher wood stove, decide on new or used and some research should have you on your way.
OP, I heat my 30x40 with a vintage Fisher wood stove, decide on new or used and some research should have you on your way.
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Jazz1
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This was the letter I finally got...no way I'm hauling my wood stove to their store and then wait while they take it to machine shop We just got another dump of snow last night. I'll repair stove where it sits. I would rather have a new wood box. Obviously the vendor I purchased stove from was not having much success with Pacific Energy.
From: Thunder Bay Fireplaces <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: cracked pacific energy
Date: April 4, 2016 at 3:50:58 PM EDT
To: Terry Phillips <[email protected]>
Terry,
Sorry, that you feel that you are getting nothing but excuses. I will forward you the many emails that have been sent on our part, as well as the distributors part to the factory awaiting their response. It just so happens that the factory has finally ruled on your warranty claim on March 31st. Unfortunately I was ill last week and we are not open Sunday's and Monday's so I was planning on notifying you tomorrow. But today will do fine, they are willing to pay up to 250.00 for welding up the cracks in the stove. You will have to clean out and remove the stove and bring it to our shop where we will take it to Dingwells Machine shop and have them repair it. If you wish you could hire us to come and take it out and reinstall it, this is not covered under warranty so our rate is $89.00 per hour plus travel if you are out of the city limits. Let us know what you decide.
Kind regards
Wade
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Jazz1
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So as to keep the thread on topic who makes the best quality wood stove or does OP have to look across the pond?
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MagKarl
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Lots of options depending what you want to spend and emissions limits.
I don't care for catalytic stoves myself but many do. I have a Lopi Liberty in the house and it's been great, about 5 years old.
I'll be putting a stove in my barn one of these days and I'll probably go for a cheaper stove out there. Englander NC30 is generally well liked online and fairly inexpensive.
Keep in mind that class A chimney pipe is very expensive, easy to spend more on the pipe than the stove.
I don't care for catalytic stoves myself but many do. I have a Lopi Liberty in the house and it's been great, about 5 years old.
I'll be putting a stove in my barn one of these days and I'll probably go for a cheaper stove out there. Englander NC30 is generally well liked online and fairly inexpensive.
Keep in mind that class A chimney pipe is very expensive, easy to spend more on the pipe than the stove.
Ironhorse74
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Well Kuma is a tank https://www.kumastoves.com/ I know the owner. Good people.
Rossco
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Regardless. I'de still buy a Blaze King or an Ideal Steel.
Being able to snuff down and get long long burns would certainly be of advantage for a garage / shop. If you work shifts etc these Cat stoves run for a long time depending on the wood in the area. DRY DRY wood only thou.
The ideal steel is cheaper than the BK and allot more pretty. The King is expensive and requires 8" pipe.
Being able to snuff down and get long long burns would certainly be of advantage for a garage / shop. If you work shifts etc these Cat stoves run for a long time depending on the wood in the area. DRY DRY wood only thou.
The ideal steel is cheaper than the BK and allot more pretty. The King is expensive and requires 8" pipe.
BLUE72CAMARO
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I picked up an older clayton 1600g off of craigslist last year for $600 and other than being really dirty inside and had 2 cracked bricks it is in very good shape. It can put off an amazing amount of heat when you get it rolling compared to the old wood stoves with out circulating blowers my parents have had thru out the years.
jdieter
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Did what op is considering during a walkout basement remodel. Field stone veneer on the wall and 3" thick flagstone on a raised hearth. Bought a Hearthstone stove and extremely pleased with it's performance. Heats a 1600sq.ft basement, have never had the stove off the lowest setting and one end of the basement is all windows and sliding doors.
MagKarl
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Forgot to mention yesterday that there is a great forum for wood burning you should spend some time on, lots of good info.
http://www.hearth.com/talk/
http://www.hearth.com/talk/
Thanks, I will check it out.
Did what op is considering during a walkout basement remodel. Field stone veneer on the wall and 3" thick flagstone on a raised hearth. Bought a Hearthstone stove and extremely pleased with it's performance. Heats a 1600sq.ft basement, have never had the stove off the lowest setting and one end of the basement is all windows and sliding doors.
Do you have any pics? I would like to see the stove/stone work.
Tmnorris70
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hello all, newb here and been reading all the info on this wood heat thread and have gotten a lot of ideas. It looks like my 24x32x10
pole building will finally be coming to a reality this spring. I want to heat it with some sort of wood stove or furnace, i have ample access to wood, and right now i currently have a old fire boss wood stove in my possesion that i would like to use, it is what we heated our home with when i was a kid. but i really like those daka style furnaces. so just before they shingle the roof, i want the roof vent and class a pipe work done and buttoned up until i decide which way to go. I bascially want heat in there this winter while i work on finishing up the inside, just keep it maybe hoodie temp in there, not looking to get it to 80. any info or alternate ideas will be greatly appreciated.
Todd
pole building will finally be coming to a reality this spring. I want to heat it with some sort of wood stove or furnace, i have ample access to wood, and right now i currently have a old fire boss wood stove in my possesion that i would like to use, it is what we heated our home with when i was a kid. but i really like those daka style furnaces. so just before they shingle the roof, i want the roof vent and class a pipe work done and buttoned up until i decide which way to go. I bascially want heat in there this winter while i work on finishing up the inside, just keep it maybe hoodie temp in there, not looking to get it to 80. any info or alternate ideas will be greatly appreciated.
Todd
chrispyny
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This thread has gone on LONG ENOUGH without someone mentioning a company whos foundry is one of the oldest, continually running founderies on the planet.
JOTUL.
Allthough one of the most expensive wood stoves you can get, in my opinion is one of the BEST stoves you can get. I would really only consider Jotul or Lopi.
Them norwegians at Jotul have to build wood stoves that work ALL the time considering the weather over there.
I have a jotul c450 since 2013. My sister has a free standing stove ( rangley maybe ). Anyone i know who has a Jotul LOVES em.
If you want top notch, buy a Jotul. Who can really ARGUE with that?
JOTUL.
Allthough one of the most expensive wood stoves you can get, in my opinion is one of the BEST stoves you can get. I would really only consider Jotul or Lopi.
Them norwegians at Jotul have to build wood stoves that work ALL the time considering the weather over there.
I have a jotul c450 since 2013. My sister has a free standing stove ( rangley maybe ). Anyone i know who has a Jotul LOVES em.
If you want top notch, buy a Jotul. Who can really ARGUE with that?
jdieter
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that looks good, I like it. My neighbor works up at the local hardware store, he said they had several pellet stoves that are left over from this year, he said he could get me a good deal on one but I'm not sure if I want a pellet stove? really dont know much about them!!
dfiler2
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If you can cut and haul your own wood I wouldn't go with pellets, but if you would be buying your wood and having it delivered, pellets may be a good choice. I wouldn't worry so much about the brand, find a local hearth shop with a good reputation, they will likely have several brands in a wide price range. Choose the one that best suits you. As far as Pacific Energy goes they are good people and they wouldn't still be in business if the issue talked about here was common, I'm guessing we are not getting the whole story. You live in a part of the country where wood should be easy to get and burning wood is very good for the environment. Wood gives off the same amount of co2 whether it rots or is burned and results in no net increase of co2, "carbon neutral". Burning fossil fuels on the other hand releases co2 that wouldn't normally be released into our atmosphere. No matter what you choose burning wood to heat is one of the only things you can do that will not only pay for itself but actually put money back in your pocket at some point.
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jdieter
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Agree on wood vs pellets if the wood is free. We have 10 wooded acres and got hit by the Emerald Ash Borer. Something to consider if it's not in your area it will be eventually. the cost of firewood has dropped considerably and folks are constantly looking for somebody to get rid of their dying trees. I don't like burning ash because it's true to its name, produces a shitpot full of ash. But right now I've got a 5 year wood supply cut/split and haven't made a dent in the diseased trees. I treated a few close to the house but that's cost prohibitive to do on a large scale.
24ModelTFord
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I agree. I installed a Jotul F500 Oslo last year and love it.
lakeroadster
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Hey DW you really don't need stone veneer if you buy a good quality stove. They can be mounted only 10 inches or so away from the wall.
It really is amazing how the new stoves operate compared to those we used back in the 70's and 80's.
As for Pacific Energy, that's the stove type we have in our home, a Vista Classic. It's a great stove and it is made in North America (Canada).
http://www.pacificenergy.net/products/wood/traditional-stoves/vista-classic/
Highbeam
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Some of the PEs, not a bad brand, can be mounted 5" from the combustible wall. No rock veneer needed but it looks good.
My current BlazeKing stove has to be 6" from the sheetrock and my last stove was a hearthstone that had to be 7" from the sheetrock.
My current BlazeKing stove has to be 6" from the sheetrock and my last stove was a hearthstone that had to be 7" from the sheetrock.
I think I have a pretty good supply of wood, so I guess I will rule out the pellets. I know "You get what you pay for" but this is going in my barn for occasional heat, I am not there everyday (My barn is a mile down the road from my present house) my goal is to move over to that property, but that could be several years from now, I have also started getting the "Raised Eyebrow" and the Hmm... comment on some of my barn statements from the boss. If there was a budget there, its been blown out of the water, but I didnt want to drop $2K on a stove for there, if it was in my house it would be different. I seen this at HD online:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Pleasant...gclid=CIuT49_fhswCFVE0aQodRAAHEw&gclsrc=aw.ds
and I have a 10% coupon, all stoves on CL look like they been through the ringer, there is a guy that has a brand new Heartland FP insert for $100??
I want to put it in the center of this wall (The 6x6 is center) but I will have to offset the vent pie over to miss the roof ridge, how high above the roof does the vent pipe need to go
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Pleasant...gclid=CIuT49_fhswCFVE0aQodRAAHEw&gclsrc=aw.ds
and I have a 10% coupon, all stoves on CL look like they been through the ringer, there is a guy that has a brand new Heartland FP insert for $100??
I want to put it in the center of this wall (The 6x6 is center) but I will have to offset the vent pie over to miss the roof ridge, how high above the roof does the vent pipe need to go
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refried
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I wasn't that impressed with our Hearthstone, It rotted out fairly quickly inside and the door never sealed right. It's 17 or 18 years old now and has no problem heating our 1300sft timber frame house, It gets used 300 days a year.
http://www.hearthstonestoves.com/store/wood-products/wood-stoves/phoenix
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