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Which air tools are better than electric?

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I'm trying to figure out if its possible for me to skip air tools, at least for now. This is going to be for automotive use. So engine repair, autobody repair, detailing, etc. So I wanted to get you guys' opinion on this.

Are there any air tools, that just don't have an electric equivalent? Or are just way better in air tool form?
 
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You just have to have some air tools, they have electric impacts but they are not very good. And I have not seen an electric die grinder that i know of. Why do you want to go all electric?
 

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If you have air then some air tools are in order. I havnt used the new battery impacts but electric is difficult to feather. I know there is a fascination with air hogs but one of the reasons I like air is a guy can regulate it easily, a little with pressure and some with the trigger.
I like air for assembly, wheels and suspension, my gun has a 4 speed and I can dial it in after some experience, can get stuff tight when it needs to be and vary speed and torque for sensitive work.
 

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You just have to have some air tools, they have electric impacts but they are not very good. And I have not seen an electric die grinder that i know of. Why do you want to go all electric?

Yes for certain things you will benifit from air, but for impacts and ratchets electric is the way to go. No more cords to deal with.
 

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I'm a heavy diesel mechanic, I use battery for 3/8 impact and ratchet. Have the air but the battery stuff is just as good and for field service way better. That being said, the 1/2 inch battery impacts I found to be too heavy and not practical so I stick to air for that. Don't think you'd be happy limiting yourself to just battery all the way around though.


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You could do most basic things without air until you get to autobody. Pretty much all the sanders are air as well as air hammers and die grinders.
I like electric impacts and ratchets over air, but would start with an air setup for all around then a few of the smaller electric tools for convenience such as an m18 fuel impact and m12 ratchet.
 

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You just have to have some air tools, they have electric impacts but they are not very good. And I have not seen an electric die grinder that i know of. Why do you want to go all electric?

There are electric die grinders, I own a Dewalt and have used Makita before. In my opinion, you want air for this application. Electric units are much larger and bulkier than air, not to mention the electric are obscenely expensive.
 

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Yes for certain things you will benifit from air, but for impacts and ratchets electric is the way to go. No more cords to deal with.

No way. Air is the way to go for impacts as they can be much smaller and air is the way to go for ratchets as you can get impacting and a hybrid, the hammerhead.

Cordless is nice to have once you already have air.
 

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You could do most basic things without air until you get to autobody. Pretty much all the sanders are air as well as air hammers and die grinders.

I like electric impacts and ratchets over air, but would start with an air setup for all around then a few of the smaller electric tools for convenience such as an m18 fuel impact and m12 ratchet.


X2. I don't care for battery 1/2 impacts as they're too heavy & recoil beats the **** out of your wrist. I have a corded die grinder but again very heavy & bulky. I use my 3/8 air for stuff like suspension & m12 1/4 or m18 3/8 for underhood, skid plates... I have an air ratchet but never cared for it. I love the m12 ratchet though. Also like others said I don't think there's a replacement for a good air hammer. That's one thing not to cheap out on.


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Are there any air tools, that just don't have an electric equivalent? Or are just way better in air tool form?
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Air tools. Are the way for body work it is a sealed.unit with only an exuast electric has a fan to pull air in read that as fine bondo dust. Filling the tool with crude.
 

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And I have not seen an electric die grinder that i know of.

Does the word Dremel ring any bells?

Air tools have one HUGE advantage in any automotive situation. No sparks. You've just vented pressure on a fuel rail and want to unbolt something with an electric impact ... nice knowing ya. Torque and power are all on the side of air. Electrics might look the part ... but they only look it.


As for why someone would want to go electric? The answer is obvious. A compressor big and strong enough to supply good tools well is large, loud and expensive. That's what the electrics makers bank on.
 

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I prefer air over electric simply b/c of the safety factor.

I don't like sparks around flamable stuff. period. Also

don't like the idea of extension cords being in the way

and liable to get cut. Just my personal choice, old dog

not liking new tricks.


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Cant fill up tires with a battery. DA, die grinder, air ratchet, air chisel are all must haves. Air impacts are more compact so they come in handy. My old man has an air right angle drill, has been useful in tight spots. I wouldnt bother with a cordless grinder or anything like that. Batteries die too quick. Cordless impacts, i think, are a must have. Simply because you can bring it anywhere. I use a battery powered leaf blower to blow out shop.
 

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Air jackhammers
Blowguns
Air nailers
Air Impact Wrench (heavier blows, fast removal)


And for big industrial applications use hydraulic stuff.
 

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All air tools are superior in my minds eye. I do a lot of work on fuel cells on large aircraft. Anything that produces a spark could cause an explosion.

Try fitting that Milwaukee leaf blower inside a fuel tank.
 
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In the Jeep world a lot of guys love the Milwaukee Fuel cordless impacts for the UPAP trips & trail repairs. For anything that's supposed to be light & small, subject to water, chemicals, or dust, air is the way to go. Die grinders, air hammers, sanders, ... Air tools aren't efficient from an energy standpoint. Their efficiency comes from eliminating worker fatigue, getting into smaller spaces, durability, and elimination of many workplace hazards.
 

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Since I need them for work, I have a lot of cordless. 9 times out of 10, I'll grab a cordless tool over a pneumatic. Just more convenient. I really only go to air tools when a cordless won't fit. It all depends on what you plan to use them for.
 

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Pneumatic hammer aka air hammer. DA sander.

Pneumatic hammer can be replicated by an SDS drill with rotation stop, but you get a much better power/weight ration from pneumatic.

DA sander, not so. Look up Mirka Deros. Yes, it's spendy, perhaps even double the price of a good DA, BUT it is every bit as good as the best DA out there.
For me, a DA is my biggest consumer of air. If I were building a shop from the ground up, I'd consider going with one of these and a small compressor, rather than my 80 gallon monster and a Dynabrade DA. The difference in the compressor cost easily offsets the more expensive sander.

Air jackhammers
Blowguns
Air nailers
Air Impact Wrench (heavier blows, fast removal)

And for big industrial applications use hydraulic stuff.

Ever see a Bosch Brute? No, it's not nearly as good at breaking pavement as a 90lb pneumatic hammer, but it doesn't require a towable compressor to back it up either. My Makita HM1301 will still tear apart a sidewalk with ease.

Blowguns have been answered above.

Air nailers: you've never seen a Paslode?
Impact wrench: the battle of cordless vs pneumatic has been fought out before. Everyone has their preference.

There are answers for everything, but for me, I'm still sticking with pneumatic. But it only works for me, because I've got a huge air source. Here's my reasoning:
1) pneumatic doesn't overheat from overuse
2) pneumatic can work in the nastiest of environments (in grinding dust, and underwater for example) that would kill motor brushes. Yes, brushless is close, but can still be clogged with dust
3) pneumatic works even in the dead of winter in an unheated shop, when batteries may not fare too well
4) pneumatic is easy to service and lasts many decades; buy once...
5) pneumatic generally puts more power in your hand with a lighter tool (except maybe a cordless drill or angle grinder).
 

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No way. Air is the way to go for impacts as they can be much smaller and air is the way to go for ratchets as you can get impacting and a hybrid, the hammerhead.

Cordless is nice to have once you already have air.

I have stopped using pnuematic impacts and have been using the Milwaukee fuel line instead and have not turned back. Even the M12 ratchet is used over my air ratchet. Anything to stay away from using air if I can I would rather do. Just works better for me.
 

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Since I need them for work, I have a lot of cordless. 9 times out of 10, I'll grab a cordless tool over a pneumatic. Just more convenient. I really only go to air tools when a cordless won't fit. It all depends on what you plan to use them for.

As a general rule, I figure a cordless battery system will last 5 years. MAYBE 10 at the most.

If I think I can get my money's worth out of that tool in 5 years, I'll consider cordless.
I've got a cordless drill, impact drivers, flood light (I am not aware of a pneumatic lighting system...), caulk gun, heated jacket.

If it's a tool that I only use occasionally, I'll avoid cordless and go corded, because the batteries will most likely be shot long before I've gotten my value out of the tool. For me, that would include a sawzall, circular saw, etc.
 

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I use cordless as much as possible so when I need a tool I don't have to wonder if I am close to an outlet or a hose.
 

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As a general rule, I figure a cordless battery system will last 5 years. MAYBE 10 at the most.

If I think I can get my money's worth out of that tool in 5 years, I'll consider cordless.
I've got a cordless drill, impact drivers, flood light (I am not aware of a pneumatic lighting system...), caulk gun, heated jacket.

If it's a tool that I only use occasionally, I'll avoid cordless and go corded, because the batteries will most likely be shot long before I've gotten my value out of the tool. For me, that would include a sawzall, circular saw, etc.
I think that's a good policy, but the timeline is a bit longer for me. I bought a DeWalt 12V cordless drill around 95. I replaced it with an 18V set about 10 years later, and gave away the 12V drill with a another set of generic replacement batteries. The drill is now over 20 years old, still going strong, and on it's 3rd (I believe) set of batteries. My 18V set went from work to home, and recently got a 20V adapter. Now any batteries I buy will still work with all of my tools. :thumbup:
 

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You WANT both but you NEED air. There's no substitute with a battery yet.
Plastic tools are good for a quickie.
When there's work to do.
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Cant fill up tires with a battery.

No, but you can fill them up with CO2; FAST. The same goes for all those nailers and various tools. It's much more convenient to have a bottle on your belt, and a hell of a lot quieter.

For regular duty, get a large tank with a good valve, or just pay the big bucks and call Powertank for a one-shot CO2 system solution. They're cheap to run, in the end. Filling them doesn't cost much, and some places you can get it done for free.

That's your electric supplement, right there, if you want something portable, compact, quiet, or just plain unique. Try it once, and you'll be addicted.

Electric impacts are great nowadays.. If you buy the right product. Do that, and for most jobs you won't want to go back unless you're working a shop with a dedicated bay and cars coming in and out all day. At that point, air is an investment.

You can't cheap out, though. With electric, you've got to pay to play. Snap-On, Milwaukee, Panasonic; stick with the tough stuff with solid batteries (Panasonic wipes the floor with everything else in that department) and you'll be good to go.
 

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And the small air sawzall too. I have used portable nitrogen bottles on the road. Cant beat panasonic cordless drills/drivers. Mine last much longer than 5 years. I bought 2 new Milwaukee impacts and recieved 4 batteries for free, totalling 6 all together. I should be good for a long time.
 
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Any guesses what the serviceablility of a top line cordless tool will be in 50 years?
SHTF, there are still a lot of ways to run a compressor.
 

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I'm a heavy diesel mechanic, I use battery for 3/8 impact and ratchet. Have the air but the battery stuff is just as good and for field service way better. That being said, the 1/2 inch battery impacts I found to be too heavy and not practical so I stick to air for that. Don't think you'd be happy limiting yourself to just battery all the way around though.


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my most used "power" tool is a 3/8" dr cordless impact.


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Any guesses what the serviceablility of a top line cordless tool will be in 50 years?
SHTF, there are still a lot of ways to run a compressor.

Like I said, 5 years, absolutely. 7, probably. 10, maybe.
20 ish, ok, perhaps, but only if I keep investing in more batteries as time goes on.
Much more than that, not so much. Certainly not 50.

I'm willing to bet that with new seals and a little cleanup, plenty of 19th century pneumatic tools are still in use.

As for SHTF, have you ever seen one of the Volkswagen engines turned into a compressor? Timing is modified to run it on two cylinders, with the other two pumping air.
 

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Pneumatic hammer can be replicated by an SDS drill with rotation stop, but you get a much better power/weight ration from pneumatic.

Also a pneumatic hammer can fit in places that a SDS drill can't even get close to
 

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If it's one or the other I think I'd go with air over battery for a 1/2 impact, and battery over air for 3/8 impact. However, if it were me, I'd get both for both.
 
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