Cat5 or cat6 and what else?

[naturalgas]

I have the power to my new shop run in a 1 1/2" conduit. I also have three 1" conduits in trench ready for cable tv, Internet, and phone. In house I have all three provided by cable co. What do I want to run in the empty conduits? Cat5 or cat6, coax cable? I will need to run about 130' of each whatever. 90' in basement of house and 40' in trench. I have no clue with this low voltage stuff. When I get it run I have a buddy that will hook it all up for me . What do you guys in the know recommend ?


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[wyliesdiesels]

I have the power to my new shop run in a 1 1/2" conduit. I also have three 1" conduits in trench ready for cable tv, Internet, and phone. In house I have all three provided by cable co. What do I want to run in the empty conduits? Cat5 or cat6, coax cable? I will need to run about 130' of each whatever. 90' in basement of house and 40' in trench. I have no clue with this low voltage stuff. When I get it run I have a buddy that will hook it all up for me . What do you guys in the know recommend ?


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Well first off it depends on what u want to have in the shop. U didnt specify which ones u want.

For ethernet(internet), run 1 CAT5e. No need for CAT6.

Run another CAT5e for phone.

The TV will need coax. However, u will have signal issues with RG6 at that length so u will need either an amplifier after the splitter before it goes out to the garage or a larger coax such as RG11...

 

[pedrodagr8]

Better to run CAT6 because it is backwards compatible with CAT5E. Lastly, run some blank runs (with just the pull string) so that if some other technology comes out it is easy to make a new run.

EDIT: Removed fiber optic suggestion because it is crazy overkill

 

[CNGsaves]

OP . . . do you have separation in trench between the power 1 1/2" conduit that's at least 12" away from low voltage 1" conduits ??

I'd run RG6 for CATV along with a pull string in one of the low voltage conduits.

In other low voltage conduit I'd run CAT5e's that would cover anything else (phone, internet, security, etc) along with a pull string for future changes.

 

[ModClean]

Better to run CAT6 because it is backwards compatible with CAT5E. Lastly, run some blank runs (with just the pull string) so that if some other technology comes out it is easy to make a new run.

EDIT: Removed fiber optic suggestion because it is crazy overkill

Agree on the pull strings. Would say the Cat6 depends on how long you plan to be using it. If you're just a typical home internet user with no great propensity towards techi-ness, CAT5e will do you just fine for a long time to come. If you're really wanting to future proof though and aren't concerned with the cost increase (which is not outrageous, in any case) CAT6 is not a bad way to go.

 

[naturalgas]

I have maybe 8" separation on one of the 1" conduit from the power conduit


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[naturalgas]

Electrician kept telling don't worry about it as we were installing them


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[naturalgas]

Ok so I want to do this right the fist time. So cat6, 3 lines and coax RG11. Can three cat6 lines go into the same 1" conduit? And the coax by itself in another's? Is that the way to run into? Plus string .


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[Pwrgeek]

Ok so I want to do this right the fist time. So cat6, 3 lines and coax RG11. Can three cat6 lines go into the same 1" conduit? And the coax by itself in another's? Is that the way to run into? Plus string .


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Cat5e or Cat6 will be either one be fine for the distance. RG11 is probably overkill but it can't hurt. I'll just leave my usual fiber suggestion here but it is up to you. For me the extra $100 that fiber will cost you is worth it for peace of mind plus you will be completely future proof for whatever comes up in the future as far as data transfer goes. If you are interested in the details of what you need to do fiber see this thread

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5553364

 

[naturalgas]

Cat5e or Cat6 will be either one be fine for the distance. RG11 is probably overkill but it can't hurt. I'll just leave my usual fiber suggestion here but it is up to you. For me the extra $100 that fiber will cost you is worth it for peace of mind plus you will be completely future proof for whatever comes up in the future as far as data transfer goes. If you are interested in the details of what you need to do fiber see this thread

Pwgeek, I'm interested in the fiber. There was no link to thread you mentioned. And thanks

 

[Pwrgeek]

Pwgeek, I'm interested in the fiber. There was no link to thread you mentioned. And thanks

See above. Sorry I posted what I had written and was off looking up the link to edit in. Doing this from a phone makes for some interesting process of putting stuff together.

 

[Cmreschke]

Electrician kept telling don't worry about it as we were installing them


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I agree, no need to worry about it. Hell, we run this type of cabling with higher voltage cabling in the same tray with a divider in between them in the car plants all the time.
Never an issue.

 

[theoldwizard1]

CAT 6 big win is larger gauge wire, which is less likely to break on a long conduit pull.

 

[Crazyjake8493]

For me, the cost difference between Cat5e and Cat6 was so little, that I've went with Cat6 for everything just to future-proof. Also, the pull strings are a great idea and every time I pull something new I pull an extra string just in case.

My house has 3 conduits underground from house to garage (1 power, 1 low voltage, 1 compressed air hose), all right next to each other, and I've never had a problem with the signal for the TV or internet.

 

[Pwrgeek]

I agree, no need to worry about it. Hell, we run this type of cabling with higher voltage cabling in the same tray with a divider in between them in the car plants all the time.

Never an issue.

^this. Ethernet is very resistant to noise. Make sure you terminate the cable properly and you won't have an issue.

 

[CharlieM]

No need for fiber, if you get any fiber based services the ONT will be at the side of the house or right inside. Everything that runs from the ONT will be cat5/6 or coax. For such a short run that you have, no benefit for fiber. Cat5/6 will be fine, if you need some type of data transfer to the house.

 

[ltusler]

RG6 is fine no need for 11.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

IMHO CAT6 isnt worth the extra cost unless you will be running 10gig ethernet. And 10gig ethernet can only go 50 meters on CAT6. If u want to go 100M then u need CAT6a.

CAT5e will suit 99% of homeowners and people on this board.

Better to run CAT6 because it is backwards compatible with CAT5E. Lastly, run some blank runs (with just the pull string) so that if some other technology comes out it is easy to make a new run.

EDIT: Removed fiber optic suggestion because it is crazy overkill

Huh? That doesnt make sense. Backwards compatible to what? Both support gigabit.

Ok so I want to do this right the fist time. So cat6, 3 lines and coax RG11. Can three cat6 lines go into the same 1" conduit? And the coax by itself in another's? Is that the way to run into? Plus string .


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That would work fine!

 

[reader2580]

I would not do fiber as others have mentioned. There are a number of different types of fiber and chances are you wouldn't have run the right type if you ever needed it, which is unlikely.

I did fiber in my previous house that I built in 2001. Complete waste of money because that size of fiber was obsolete in a few years. I ended up cutting off all the fiber in the utility room because it was in the way.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

I would not do fiber as others have mentioned. There are a number of different types of fiber and chances are you wouldn't have run the right type if you ever needed it, which is unlikely.

I did fiber in my previous house that I built in 2001. Complete waste of money because that size of fiber was obsolete in a few years. I ended up cutting off all the fiber in the utility room because it was in the way.

Which size fiber was that? OM1 62.5/125 I bet it was still useable...

It may have been obsolete but it still couldve been used as theres tons of old equipment available.

 

[encantofred]

my detached shop has a 1" conduit run that is about 150' long to it from my house.

i ran coax and internet out to it. i have 3 sweep 90's in the run and it pulled fine.

if you do some studying on what type of wire to use, you will find out that where water can get in the conduit (meaning anywhere underground) you should use direct bury wire.

i ran 175' of direct bury cat6 between my house and the shop. it runs to a switch both in the house and in the shop and then to a ubiquiti unit for wifi broadcasting in the shop.

i ran the same length of RG6 Quad Shield (175') and it works just dandy with my direct TV Genie system (which the specs say it shouldnt work with a distance that long).

i **** a pull string through the conduit with a shopvac, then use pull tape like the power companies use. it has some lubricant in it, is flat and doesnt cut the pvc elbows when you are pulling it.

my two cents worth from actually doing it

tom

 

[reader2580]

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Which size fiber was that? OM1 62.5/125 I bet it was still useable...

It may have been obsolete but it still couldve been used as theres tons of old equipment available.

Yes, OM1. Sure, it could be used, but for what really? I also ran two cat 5 or cat 5E plus two coax and two cat 3 to most rooms. The Ethernet can pretty much handle just about any speeds needed for a modern house.

If you're an IT geek you might find use for that fiber, but it takes old equipment that most wouldn't be able to configure. I am not aware of any consumer grade fiber equipment.

You need something better than OM1 for 10 gigabit. My employer is currently running new fiber in one building to handle 10 gigabit and possibly 40 gigabit in the future. Our main office building already has new fiber for 10 gigabit.

 

[naturalgas]

Here is my trench. Called for rough inspection so I can get a water line in there and close it up. Thanks for the replies. I am running 3 cat6 lines and RG11 coax.

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[Pwrgeek]

The point of fiber for a homeowner isn't speed (most of us wont even touch 1 gig much less 10. The point is electrical isolation in detached structures. Copper Ethernet wasn't designed to go between structures and doesn't have enough electrical isolation to survive the ground potential differences that will occur with close by lightning.


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[rburke65]

Wow....19 different opinions on what to pull to this guys shop. No wonder this is so confusing. How can ya get so many opinions feeding a tv and Internet connections?

 

[ddawg16]

Wow....19 different opinions on what to pull to this guys shop. No wonder this is so confusing. How can ya get so many opinions feeding a tv and Internet connections?

And no one suggesting banging the wife.

Getting a bit more serious....

Upsize the conduit. Like the garage, it's never big enough......but in this case...too late.

The advantage of Cat6 is the heavier gauge is better for POE...(Power Over Ethernet). Otherwise, speed is about the same.

With all that conduit....why not use it for compressed air?

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Yes, OM1. Sure, it could be used, but for what really? I also ran two cat 5 or cat 5E plus two coax and two cat 3 to most rooms. The Ethernet can pretty much handle just about any speeds needed for a modern house.

If you're an IT geek you might find use for that fiber, but it takes old equipment that most wouldn't be able to configure. I am not aware of any consumer grade fiber equipment.

You need something better than OM1 for 10 gigabit. My employer is currently running new fiber in one building to handle 10 gigabit and possibly 40 gigabit in the future. Our main office building already has new fiber for 10 gigabit.

OM1 is still useable. Plenty of used equipment that can be had. And no one needs 10gigabit in their house.

I have several customers that still use OM1 and it works just fine.

Yes u need at least Om3 for 10gig. But again no one on this site needs 10gig ethernet.

I still cant figure out why u would cut the ends off of perfectly good fiber...

The point of fiber for a homeowner isn't speed (most of us wont even touch 1 gig much less 10. The point is electrical isolation in detached structures. Copper Ethernet wasn't designed to go between structures and doesn't have enough electrical isolation to survive the ground potential differences that will occur with close by lightning.


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