jreb10
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I have one that looks like it. On the right side, by the tilt pivot there should be a name and model number. Mine is "000". I don't have a label, though.
Nice that you have a base as well. My base has graduations on it.
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I have one that looks like it. On the right side, by the tilt pivot there should be a name and model number. Mine is "000". I don't have a label, though.
Nice that you have a base as well. My base has graduations on it.
KMScott
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S4cruiser, you just picked up the cream of the crop in 6" vises. Nice vise's shown today. I will not ask what you gave for it because they are expensive. Nice haul.
drivesitfar
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S4: were you calling on that last week? or maybe i'm thinking of someone else? In any case that Starrett looks NOS and it's maybe one of the nicest vises made in that size. WELL DONE
JReb: are you using your Palmgren and how do you like it? i'll check for more #'s if you want me to, but still ORGANIZING while it's light out now.
ALL: had time to take a few pictures of my Versa Vise I picked up a from very clean old wood worker's shop. it looks like it might have a weld in the back and wondering if anybody else has seen or owned a Versa vise with a break there. looks like a perfect braze so i'll mount it to my wood bench and use it until a nicer one shows up, but for now i'm happy. it's the first Versa vise I've owned and saw one one time so I knew how small and cool that it is and had to have one.
JReb: are you using your Palmgren and how do you like it? i'll check for more #'s if you want me to, but still ORGANIZING while it's light out now.
ALL: had time to take a few pictures of my Versa Vise I picked up a from very clean old wood worker's shop. it looks like it might have a weld in the back and wondering if anybody else has seen or owned a Versa vise with a break there. looks like a perfect braze so i'll mount it to my wood bench and use it until a nicer one shows up, but for now i'm happy. it's the first Versa vise I've owned and saw one one time so I knew how small and cool that it is and had to have one.
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If you got it for the asking price or anything less than what you posted before, I'll go ahead and give you a couple you *****. That's minty
Evergreentree
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Va-that Fulton has me drooling.
I don't know how you guys are finding the odd ones regularly. Guess the longer you've been collecting, the more people know you collect, etc. I'm finding only the more common ones, except for a half dozen or so rarities. Maybe also because I don't drivesitfar?
S4-sweet pick up! I've only seen one in person, and it was abused severely. they are top quality? Km and drives thinks so, so I guess my questions been answered.
I don't know how you guys are finding the odd ones regularly. Guess the longer you've been collecting, the more people know you collect, etc. I'm finding only the more common ones, except for a half dozen or so rarities. Maybe also because I don't drivesitfar?
S4-sweet pick up! I've only seen one in person, and it was abused severely. they are top quality? Km and drives thinks so, so I guess my questions been answered.
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Outlawmws
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Drives I think that slide was cut there so they could get the slide out for some reason. I can see or guess no other reason for the slide to be welded there.
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First bullet, wanted something nice & small enough for my garage. Pretty sure this fits the bill!
drivesitfar
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S4: no reason to haggle there and you'll have plenty of buyers if you ever need some cash and decide it's TOO NICE to put on your bench.
SDO: WELL DONE if you were looking for an old mint condition Wilton bullet. looks like it was barely used and when you pull the dynamic out to check the date let us know what that is and i'm guessing you have a 65 year old vise there. damn I hope I look that good at 65.
welcome to the vise thread too and i'm guessing you'll need his bigger brother or relative for the other end of your bench.
cheers
Outlaw: I can't see a reason to cut it and maybe the old guy dropped it on his basement floor once upon a time YEARS ago because the braze is really old.
SDO: WELL DONE if you were looking for an old mint condition Wilton bullet. looks like it was barely used and when you pull the dynamic out to check the date let us know what that is and i'm guessing you have a 65 year old vise there. damn I hope I look that good at 65.
welcome to the vise thread too and i'm guessing you'll need his bigger brother or relative for the other end of your bench.
cheers
Outlaw: I can't see a reason to cut it and maybe the old guy dropped it on his basement floor once upon a time YEARS ago because the braze is really old.
va.grouseman
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Found some history on the Smart's Manufacturing Co.
The founder and namesake of the James Smart Manufacturing Company had a remarkable career. Born in Scotland in 1819, his family emigrated to Canada when he was 15 years old. The family began farming and logging near Ottawa, while James set out to apprentice as a tanner in Brockville. He moved to Kingston to practice this trade, meeting a newly arrived Scotsman named Alexander McKenzie. McKenzie ended up in Sarnia, where James joined him in founding a tannery. McKenzie went on to eventually become Prime Minister. James married a London girl, but shortly thereafter his tannery was expropriated by the Grand Trunk Railway. James set out on his own to California, founding another tannery until the great fire of 1850. After that, he went into the lumber trade, but his health was poor so he tried gold mining in the mountains for several years. He managed to make some money at this, and returned to Canada in 1854, purchasing the old Gilmour Foundry on the waterfront in Brockville and establishing the Brockville Novelty Works. He began turning out a variety of foundry items, with the American Civil War helping business immensely. The business turned down during the great depression which began in 1872. At the same time, his nephews operated a rival business, Smart & Shepherd, which specialized in the production of a solid-chisel mortise. In 1886, their company was acquired by Smart. In 1891, the company was renamed the James Smart Manufacturing Company. In 1893 they took over the Chowan and Cunningham foundry in Kingston, moving the equipment to Brockville. By 1895 the plant covered 2-1/2 acres and the company was employing around 300 workers and operating 7 days a week. Their product offerings were very wide: stoves, ranges, and furnaces, lawn mowers, steel butts, carriage and cabinet makers' hardware, iron castings, pumps, hollow ware, house furnishings, to name a few. Around this time Smart took on some business partners, and there is some indication that he was forced out of the business by them, making it necessary for him to take other employment as the Sheriff of the United Counties of Leeds & Grenville. He died in 1906. Around 1910, the company was acquired by Canada Foundries and Forgings Ltd.
Canadian Machinery, 1921
In 1920 the plant covered 7 acres and the company offered a number of product lines: the stove and furnace department included a full line of cooking and heating stoves and ranges, warm air furnaces and registers; the general hardware department offered builders and house furnishing, cabinet and carriage makers hardware in cast, wrought iron and brass, pumps and plumbers goods, wrought steel butts and hinges, warm air registers, lawn mowers and rollers, jack screws, vises, warehouse trucks, copying presses, and many lines of labor saving tools and machines. In the tool department you could find cast steel hammers, hatches, sledges and axes. In 1965, Brock Engineering of Montreal purchased the firm, closing the Brockville plant two years later and moving what was left to Montreal.
The above information was summarized from two excellent on-line Ontario history pages: The Collector's Shop and Owen Bosman's Home Page.
James Smart Manufacturing Company, Brockville Canada
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The founder and namesake of the James Smart Manufacturing Company had a remarkable career. Born in Scotland in 1819, his family emigrated to Canada when he was 15 years old. The family began farming and logging near Ottawa, while James set out to apprentice as a tanner in Brockville. He moved to Kingston to practice this trade, meeting a newly arrived Scotsman named Alexander McKenzie. McKenzie ended up in Sarnia, where James joined him in founding a tannery. McKenzie went on to eventually become Prime Minister. James married a London girl, but shortly thereafter his tannery was expropriated by the Grand Trunk Railway. James set out on his own to California, founding another tannery until the great fire of 1850. After that, he went into the lumber trade, but his health was poor so he tried gold mining in the mountains for several years. He managed to make some money at this, and returned to Canada in 1854, purchasing the old Gilmour Foundry on the waterfront in Brockville and establishing the Brockville Novelty Works. He began turning out a variety of foundry items, with the American Civil War helping business immensely. The business turned down during the great depression which began in 1872. At the same time, his nephews operated a rival business, Smart & Shepherd, which specialized in the production of a solid-chisel mortise. In 1886, their company was acquired by Smart. In 1891, the company was renamed the James Smart Manufacturing Company. In 1893 they took over the Chowan and Cunningham foundry in Kingston, moving the equipment to Brockville. By 1895 the plant covered 2-1/2 acres and the company was employing around 300 workers and operating 7 days a week. Their product offerings were very wide: stoves, ranges, and furnaces, lawn mowers, steel butts, carriage and cabinet makers' hardware, iron castings, pumps, hollow ware, house furnishings, to name a few. Around this time Smart took on some business partners, and there is some indication that he was forced out of the business by them, making it necessary for him to take other employment as the Sheriff of the United Counties of Leeds & Grenville. He died in 1906. Around 1910, the company was acquired by Canada Foundries and Forgings Ltd.
Canadian Machinery, 1921
In 1920 the plant covered 7 acres and the company offered a number of product lines: the stove and furnace department included a full line of cooking and heating stoves and ranges, warm air furnaces and registers; the general hardware department offered builders and house furnishing, cabinet and carriage makers hardware in cast, wrought iron and brass, pumps and plumbers goods, wrought steel butts and hinges, warm air registers, lawn mowers and rollers, jack screws, vises, warehouse trucks, copying presses, and many lines of labor saving tools and machines. In the tool department you could find cast steel hammers, hatches, sledges and axes. In 1965, Brock Engineering of Montreal purchased the firm, closing the Brockville plant two years later and moving what was left to Montreal.
The above information was summarized from two excellent on-line Ontario history pages: The Collector's Shop and Owen Bosman's Home Page.
James Smart Manufacturing Company, Brockville Canada
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Outlawmws
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Drives, if you unscrew the slide you will find that closed slide stops on the screw nut. The screw is captivated in the slide with what is pretty much a "one use" capture widget. THAT is why someone would cut the slide...
I seriously doubt the slide would break in that way from being dropped.
I seriously doubt the slide would break in that way from being dropped.
drivesitfar
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Outlaw: note taken and i'll look closer and let you know if I see any more evidence to report.
VA: thanks for posting that and if you have time you want to post it on the vise history thread that popped up the other day we started in Vintage tools?
VA: thanks for posting that and if you have time you want to post it on the vise history thread that popped up the other day we started in Vintage tools?
basikdeath
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Yost 203 - Mostly done
It's been a while... and I finally got around to this one...
Still needs the swivel lock handle.
Anyone have any idea how old this thing is? Hard for me to find details. Yost has obviously been around since like 1908.
It's been a while... and I finally got around to this one...
Still needs the swivel lock handle.
Anyone have any idea how old this thing is? Hard for me to find details. Yost has obviously been around since like 1908.
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trijeff
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A real surprise, I know.
CRSINMICH
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TO ALL - ESPECIALLY PRENTISS FANS: Here is a small article I stumbled on. It is from a 1912 book about the History of Watertown, NY. It identifies a local company that made vises for Prentiss from approximately 1876 until at least 1912.
Through Eleven Decades of History
Watertown
A History from 1800 to 1912 With Illustrations and Many Incidents
By Joel H. Monroe
Nineteen Hundred and Twelve
Pg. 250
The Bagley & Sewall Company, whose plant is located partly on Sewall Island and partly on the north band of Black River at the intersection of Pearl and Moulton streets, was founded September 1, 1853, by the co-partnership of George A. Bagley, who is still the president of the company, with George Goulding and Edmund Q. Sewall, under the firm name of Goulding, Bagley & Sewall.
George Goulding had conducted a small machine shop on Sewall Island for about twenty years prior, and purchased his castings from a foundry on the island owned by the late Abel Davis, which foundry the firm of Goulding, Bagley, & Sewall immediately proceed to buy out, as Mr. Bagley was a practical foundry-man, having had charge of the Hoard Foundry for two years prior to the formation of the partnership above mentioned
The concern began business manufacturing central discharge water wheels, boilers and engines, saw mills and general foundry work, and this continued for nine years until 1862, when George Goulding left the concern, his interest being purchased by Messrs. Bagley & Sewall, and the concern was known as Bagley and Sewall until the incorporation of the present company in 1882.
Messrs. Bagley & Sewall increased the lines of their business and began building engines and boilers on a large scale for those times, and in fact became the best known engine concern in Northern New York. Mowing machines was added to the list, with plows and other agricultural machinery, then a line of pumping machinery, the celebrated Green rotary pump being among their outfit. Later, somewhat before the incorporation of the company, they started building iron workers’ and wood workers’ vises for the Prentiss Vise Company of New York, which business, small at first, has grown into a large department of the present Bagley & Sewall Company, and the contract with the Prentiss Vise Company is in its thirty-sixth year of existence.
Through Eleven Decades of History
Watertown
A History from 1800 to 1912 With Illustrations and Many Incidents
By Joel H. Monroe
Nineteen Hundred and Twelve
Pg. 250
The Bagley & Sewall Company, whose plant is located partly on Sewall Island and partly on the north band of Black River at the intersection of Pearl and Moulton streets, was founded September 1, 1853, by the co-partnership of George A. Bagley, who is still the president of the company, with George Goulding and Edmund Q. Sewall, under the firm name of Goulding, Bagley & Sewall.
George Goulding had conducted a small machine shop on Sewall Island for about twenty years prior, and purchased his castings from a foundry on the island owned by the late Abel Davis, which foundry the firm of Goulding, Bagley, & Sewall immediately proceed to buy out, as Mr. Bagley was a practical foundry-man, having had charge of the Hoard Foundry for two years prior to the formation of the partnership above mentioned
The concern began business manufacturing central discharge water wheels, boilers and engines, saw mills and general foundry work, and this continued for nine years until 1862, when George Goulding left the concern, his interest being purchased by Messrs. Bagley & Sewall, and the concern was known as Bagley and Sewall until the incorporation of the present company in 1882.
Messrs. Bagley & Sewall increased the lines of their business and began building engines and boilers on a large scale for those times, and in fact became the best known engine concern in Northern New York. Mowing machines was added to the list, with plows and other agricultural machinery, then a line of pumping machinery, the celebrated Green rotary pump being among their outfit. Later, somewhat before the incorporation of the company, they started building iron workers’ and wood workers’ vises for the Prentiss Vise Company of New York, which business, small at first, has grown into a large department of the present Bagley & Sewall Company, and the contract with the Prentiss Vise Company is in its thirty-sixth year of existence.
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Shiftless
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Thanks for posting that, CRS
In my modest collection of vises there are 3 Prentiss.
In my modest collection of vises there are 3 Prentiss.
Outlawmws
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Thanks again CRS, another nice find! I also have 2 Prentiss, A Monarch and a bull dog.
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S4: no reason to haggle there and you'll have plenty of buyers if you ever need some cash and decide it's TOO NICE to put on your bench.
SDO: WELL DONE if you were looking for an old mint condition Wilton bullet. looks like it was barely used and when you pull the dynamic out to check the date let us know what that is and i'm guessing you have a 65 year old vise there. damn I hope I look that good at 65.
welcome to the vise thread too and i'm guessing you'll need his bigger brother or relative for the other end of your bench.
cheers
Outlaw: I can't see a reason to cut it and maybe the old guy dropped it on his basement floor once upon a time YEARS ago because the braze is really old.
Dated 10-51. I cleaned it up a little bit to just see what kind of condition it was in, nice solid vise.
va.grouseman
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CRS, you should include this Prentiss history in the (Vise company manufacturers directory pre 1970's), thread, for posterity.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
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jreb10
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Drives,
Sorry for the late response, like you I have been busy... Love your Versa Vise BTW.
I do use the Palmgren for drilling objects at an angle. It is hefty and solid and I like it very much. And I got it for about $7. Here are a few photos:
PghJKB
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VA
That Fulton is the "Reed Patent" vise made by Fulton. This vise was also called the F & R (Fulton & Reed) patent vise in some of Fulton's announcements of the product. It is the basis for the NuTyp Vise patented by Fulton in early 1922.
Here are the patents and an article concerning Fulton obtaining the Reed patent:
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va.grouseman
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In one way or another, it seems that the histories of Reed, Hollands, Prentiss, Fulton, Sawyer, and several others are intertwined where the inventers, owners, and apprentice/master craftsmen were concerned.
Can anyone connect all the dots, where all the players and manufacturers are concerned?
Can anyone connect all the dots, where all the players and manufacturers are concerned?
A real surprise, I know.
That green is always surprising!
Nice work. Looks like a super clean restore
Outlawmws
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I don't think anyone has strung all of it together, and as many different small companies, temporary "alliances", mergers and acquisitions, there have been I think any attempt will still have a lot of missing links and dotted lines.
Keep in mind in America alone I'm sure there were more than a hundred different companies that made them, and more if you count the ones made for a "brand" as a company.
I started a timeline for just a few of the "tool companies" (Plvmb, Proto, Armstrong Billings, and the like) and tried to capture some of those mergers and whatnot and it gets murky real quick.
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va.grouseman
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I hear you Outlaw.---I thought the same.---Would be a might overwhelming.
PghJKB
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I have a good deal of info on Fulton, Lowville, Atlas, Oswego, International NuTyp Tool, and Sawyer. All these entities are tied to Edwin Fulton.
Am in the process of trying to put this info together. It is difficult doing this type of research on-line due to copyright laws. Once I have it in a presentable form, I will post it into Drives Vise Manufacturers thread.
But, as an FYI: The Reed of Fultons' Reed Patent Vise (and the F&R Vise, and F&R Combination Vise), Hiram E. Reed of Erie, PA is no relation to the Reed family of Reed Vise. Also, Fulton married a Massey, but, once again, I cannot find a connection to the Chicago vise Masseys. Maybe a genealogist can set me straight (I reserve the right to be wrong here).
Another interesting Vise Character is John E. Long. He, like Fulton, is another multiple vise patent holder that has associations with a half dozen vise manufacturers.
JKB
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Here's a few charles parker vises 
202
974
Got this 956 just the other day... Anyone know if the brass front plate is what it originally came with? Will have to find a plug and detent spring for the handle...
Oh and here's two others for good measure non charles parker.
202
974
Got this 956 just the other day... Anyone know if the brass front plate is what it originally came with? Will have to find a plug and detent spring for the handle...
Oh and here's two others for good measure non charles parker.
basikdeath
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HELP! I was trying to use the bolt to replace the handle for the pivot lock and noticed this wasn't going to work... There's no clearance for even a bolt head to pass by while tightening without hitting the vise body. Thoughts?
I hope this wasn't one of those wonky tapered end ones... that'll be hard to recreate. And where this bolt is running through as pictured doesn't seem to be tapered or anything to receive one even.
I was trying to use the bolt to replace the handle for the pivot lock and noticed this wasn't going to work... There's no clearance for even a bolt head to pass by while tightening without hitting the vise body. Thoughts?I hope this wasn't one of those wonky tapered end ones... that'll be hard to recreate. And where this bolt is running through as pictured doesn't seem to be tapered or anything to receive one even.
CSAWS: you have an awesome vise and just take your time and ask questions if you need any help restoring it or just getting the swivel jaw usable if it is stuck like most of them are. WELL DONE and welcome to the vise thread. I notice you already know you'll buy more vises so just know there is such a thing as a vice for vises.
you've been officially warned and again if you need to ask if you should buy a vise the answer is YES to any question like that you have.
here's the link for the vise repair 101 thread I started a year or two ago and a lot of members here on GJ posted a lot of good information about vises there in case you need any or if you have questions just ask. swivel jaw vises are for odd shaped pieces because the static jaw swivels to make almost any angle. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830
Jar: yes to all of the those things. once you've restored that 6 inch swivel jaw Wilton bullet if you need to know how much it's worth it might surprise you.
nice comments too.
Is there anything I should start cleaning the Prentiss with? I have fallen in love with Evaporust. Will it work? What color if any were these typically painted?
Mark in Indiana
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Basik,
If I had that problem, I'd cut the bolt head off, insert it into the vise lockdown nut, secure the stem in a BF vise and hammer the end with a ball peen hammer to mushroom the end. Repeat the same with the other end. Then touch up with a sander as needed.
If I had that problem, I'd cut the bolt head off, insert it into the vise lockdown nut, secure the stem in a BF vise and hammer the end with a ball peen hammer to mushroom the end. Repeat the same with the other end. Then touch up with a sander as needed.
joe.striper
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HELP!
I hope this wasn't one of those wonky tapered end ones... that'll be hard to recreate. And where this bolt is running through as pictured doesn't seem to be tapered or anything to receive one even.
Email me your phone #. I can show you how to fix this OR send me the part and I'll fix it for free . My contact info can be found under my profile.
McBrownie
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John,
Nice Parkers. Your 202 is is much better shape than my 203 when I found it. Here is a post-resto pic with a replacement swivel lock down handle from KmScott. By the way, I think that brass collar on the 976 is original.
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scooternut
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YES! And that anvil tree..nice work!
bagged89s10
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That's the cleanest your shop has ever been!
You know, you can fit more if you alternate facing the vises forward and backwards. So you can buy more!
bagged89s10
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Here's a few charles parker vises
202
974
Got this 956 just the other day... Anyone know if the brass front plate is what it originally came with? Will have to find a plug and detent spring for the handle...
Oh and here's two others for good measure non charles parker.
Nice parkers! I think that brass collar on the 956 is original, I've seen a few of the larger Parkers with a brass one.
Outlawmws
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That's the cleanest your shop has ever been!
You know, you can fit more if you alternate facing the vises forward and backwards. So you can buy more!
I was just about to post the same advise!
joe.striper
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I was just about to post the same advise!
True but I hate l looking at vise asses