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drivesitfar

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ALL: my new purchase. if my daughter and her husband find a house to buy I'll give them this little bench and a nice tool box with some tools to get them started. he's pretty handy, but they've had a landlord to call for anything that needed fixing since they got married almost 3 years ago so I'm sure he'll need to recall a few of his old memories on how to do it himself.

in any case this is a nice little vise and table.
 

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Here is another old ad I ran into a few minutes ago. Not common to see five different manufacturers on the same page. (Merrill, Pittsburgh Automatic, Fulton, Parker and Reed.) OK, there are actually six if you include the Graham Jig Vise.

Apologies for the quality but I am basically converting screen capture bit maps into .jpegs.

BTW: I think Hollands is still in business, now in Hollands MI. Am pretty sure someone posted some pics of there current facility and products a while back.

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JKB: I'll see your 1906 American Machinists ad and raise you a 1907 A.M. ad and a Pittsburgh Automatic ad. American Machinist is a great resource and a great read. Thanks for the 1906 ad. I didn't have that one yet.
 

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I was looking yesterday after your discovery of the Bagley & Sewell connection to Prentiss and found the following link. It says that B & S was making 225 vises per day.

Hey, thanks! That's a great follow up to the Watertown history excerpt. Now we just have to find out which models they made.

This is one of the things I like about research. You never know where the information will come from. This was a 1908 report from the New York State Teachers Association. Amazing!
 
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Thinking about Clamp On Vises now
Is this one any good. Only one made in the USA, it seems

Yost 250

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BTW: I think Hollands is still in business, now in Hollands MI. Am pretty sure someone posted some pics of there current facility and products a while back.

JKB

Are you sure you don't mean Yost which is now in Holland MI? I have no evidence of Hollands Manufacturing Co past the 1930's in my research.
 

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ALL: my new purchase. if my daughter and her husband find a house to buy I'll give them this little bench and a nice tool box with some tools to get them started. he's pretty handy, but they've had a landlord to call for anything that needed fixing since they got married almost 3 years ago so I'm sure he'll need to recall a few of his old memories on how to do it himself.

in any case this is a nice little vise and table.

I hope your SIL is a quick study. As we both know, owning a house either requires the means to pay to have work done, or the ability to learn it yourself. I live the latter. That bench and Sears house brand woodworking vise will be a great gift!

Brian
 

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Riley: my son in law might not have had his own house work to do since he married my daughter, but he grew up on an in city farm and knows plenty how to take care of a house because he was the oldest and his dad and mom traveled on business all over the world. they actually had a Zebra and Kangaroos on the farm not far from me. he'll learn or remember just fine and i'm happy to supervise if he makes me good ice tea. i'm using that bench tonight to make a pallet/crate for a good size vise and i'll let you know how it holds up. thanks for the KUDOS and I think it's a great housewarming gift. my wife can give them sheets or new furniture, but they really have plenty of that stuff already. if they want to find a NON FIXER

ALL: kinda slow on the vise front here, but a few different vise threads are going with new members finding some decent vises and asking questions there so they might come over here and post.
 

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Originally posted by BlueBolt.

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BTW: I think Hollands is still in business, now in Hollands MI. Am pretty sure someone posted some pics of there current facility and products a while back.
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Are you sure you don't mean Yost which is now in Holland MI? I have no evidence of Hollands Manufacturing Co past the 1930's in my research.
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PGH, I'm thinking Blue is right.---I made the same mistake in a post prior, sometime back, and someone , and I can't remember who, corrected me on that.---I don't think Hollands ever left PA.

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Hollands Vise History. This will be info I put together and re-arrange later.

The founder's obituary, Caleb Holland. http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...&MRid=48638862

"WESTFIELD REPUBLICAN, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 25, 1900
C. HOLLANDS DEAD.
A WELL KNOWN MANUFACTURER —PASSES AWAY. Was Formerly a Resident of This Village, Bat Had Resided In Erie For About Twenty Tears.—Was One of The Founders sf The Hollands Manufacturing Co. As the result of an attack of dropsy Caleb Hollands, one of the founders of the Hollands Manufacturing company, died at his home, No. 233 West Eleventh street, Erie,Pa., on Wednesday night, April 18, 1900, aged Nearly 63 years. He had been ill for some time, and while his death was not unexpected it will cause much surprise and regret to a large circle of friends. The deceased was born in Sussex county, England, on August 23, 1837,and was one of a family of six children born to John and Elizabeth (James) Hollands, four of whom were older than himself. With his brother, Jabez, he came to this country and located in this village in 1854, when but 17 years of age. He served an apprenticeship at the molders' trade, and latter took full charge of their on department of the Townsend Lock Co. ,which position he held for 10years. In 1881 he moved to Erie, and entered the employ of" the Jarecki Mfg. Co. After two years he went with the Griswold Mfg. Co., as foreman of the molding department, where he remained for several years, finally branching out with business associates, into the Hollands Mfg. Co., and was President of the company, and was one of the best known manufacturers of that city. Mr, Hollands was twice married. In 1857 he married Miss Elizabeth Strain, and by this union has two children. Sarah E., now Mrs. G. W. Hale, of this place, and John C., traveling salesman of the Griswold Co., of Erie. Mrs. Hollands died seven years ago, and in February, 1898, he married for his second wife Miss Belle Kane, of Erie, who with one son, Edward, survives him. He also leaves two sisters,one in England, and Mrs. S. W. Roads, of this place. The funeral was held on Saturday and the remains were buried in Weetfield cemetery with Masonic ceremonies, by Summit Lodge No. 219, of which Mr. Hollands had been a member since 1864. The lodge marched in funeral procession to the Lake Shore road and received the remains from the 1:03p m. train and took them to Westfield cemetery where the burial took place. The floral offerings were many and of exceptional beauty. —

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Superintendent Robert B Hough https://books.google.com/books?id=fs...e pa&f=false

"Robert B Hough, Erie Pa superintendent of the Hollands Manufacturing Company was born in Brockville Ontario Canada March 22 1858 and is a son of john and Ellen Rogers Hough natives of Canada and England respectively When Robert was 13 years old the family removed to Erie so the greater part of his education was received in his adopted city He learned the trade of machinist at the Erie City Iron Works where he remained six years Entering the employ of the Stearns Manufacturing Company he remained three and one half years when he became chief machinist for the Griswold Manufacturing Company and four years later took the position o superintendent In 1890 he assisted in organizing the Hollands Manufacturing Company of which he is the second largest stock holder. Mr Hough was married May 17 1888 to Miss Kate Anthony of Erie. They have four children Robert Lay deceased, John Kenneth, Richard Caleb and Margaretta Ellen He is a member of the Masonic order is a Republican in his political inclinations and was a member of the Common Council of Erie from 1888 to 1890 Mr. and Mrs. Hough attend St Paul's Episcopal Church."

Vice President Edwin S Rockafeller. https://books.google.com/books?id=fs...e pa&f=false
"Edwin S Rockafellar vice president and general manager of the Hollands Manufacturing Comany Erie Pa was born in Mechanicsburg Pa April 8 1856 and is a son of John M and Sarah Hoffman Rockafellar natives of Cumberland and Lancaster counties Pennsylvania and of earl Holland ancestry His father a printer by trade and later a real estate agent reared a family of eleven children five of whom are living and of whom Edwin S is the second He received his early education in the public schools of his native city and at the age of 16 found employment in a hardware store where he remained five years He then took a course in Eastman's Commerclal College after which he secured a position as bookkeeper in Pittsbur remaining five years ln the meantime he had ecome interested in the firm of John B Harker 8 Co jobbers in hollow ware and also ept the books of that concern In 1881 Mr Harker and he came to Erie and took full control of the hollow ware department of the Selden & Griswold Manufacturing Companz After one year Mr Harker withdrew and Mr Ilockafellar continued the business alone In 1887 he began the manufacture and sale of natural gas burners which were made by contract with the Griswold Manufacturing Company In 1890 the Hollands Manufacturing Com any was incor 0rateil with Caleb Hollands presi ent ES Roc afellar treasurer and general manager HL McWhorter secretar and treasurer and RB Hough superintendent Fhe plant is located at 325 est Twelfth street and is 150x200 feet Besides the natural gas burners the now manufacture vises and plumbers machines an tools Mr Rockafellar was married September 15 1875 to Miss Mary A Boileau of Harrisburr Pa They have one child Lawrence S Mr Roc afellar isa Republican in his political views and was elected a member of the Common Council in 1890 serving until 1894 when he was elected a member of the Select Council In I892 he was chosen president of the Common Council which position he held for one year. He is a member of the Masonic fraternity, the Elks and the A.O.U.W."

Brief company history https://books.google.com/books?id=fs...e pa&f=false
"Hollands Manufacturing Co. natural gas burners, vises, machinists and plumbers tools. Twelfth street between Myrtle and Chestnut. Caleb Hollands President, H.L. McWhorter Secretary, E.S. Rockafeller Manager, R. B. Hough Superintendent. Established in 1890."

Things so far I have found that Hollands Mfg Co made
Bench Vises
Pipe Vises
Cast iron ladle for lead
Cast iron pot for melting lead or solder
Adjustable Wrench
Pipe thread cutter
Steam Pipe wrench
Pipe wrench with screw adjuster
Pipe cutter
Pipe reamer brace bit
Waffle irons
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Yost is in Holland, Michigan.
I went to the factory quite a while ago and posted pictures on here somewhere, but my searching skills on here are lacking...
 

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Picking these up tomorrow. Very unique Athol with a keyway on top. Plus I overpaid for this real pristine 4" Wilton swivel with jaw covers.
 

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Well... I was in Holland Michigan today on business and decided, what the heck, stop by YOST and see if they'll show me around...
I was met by Ryan (one of the owners, I did not realize they are family owned...), whom I and several other members have talked to on the phone, and I've got to tell you, he is a great guy, very cool dude! I didn't even get into my crazy explination of why I was there... And he said "want to take a tour?"
And away we went...

Here are a few of the pictures i took, with permission of course...

And a few more pictures...

And a few more pictures...

What a great day, thanks Ryan!!! :beer:

ZOOM

I found them... Page 561.
 

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OK I finally get to post something here. I picked up this vise today. It has the numbers 1760 or 1780 cast into it. I'm guessing 1760 because it is a 6" jaw width. Is it a Wilton? The key way on the bottom of the dynamic jaw says
"10 83" on it. Any affirmation of correction is appreciated.
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JP: yep you've bought a Wilton Tradesman 1760 vise and since it's painted RED i'm guessing there WAS a SNAP ON sticker on the side. TJ has bought some very unique SNAP ON stickers off the BAY for not much for his Tradesman vises or you might call Snap on for a free one if they have one. or they might be selling them.

nice vise
 

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Chilang: I own one of those raised ribbed Athol vises too and I need to look closer at it to say for certain. I think it's sort of like the Wilton bullet's keyway to keep the dynamic jaw going in and out straight is my guess.
 

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Joe and Drives, could you look at the Athol "keyway" and see if that is the only contact area on the top of the slide? It looks that way from the photos.

It may be an idea for reducing friction when moving the dynamic jaw that didn't work out in the real world.
 

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Picked up a pair of bullets yesterday in Lake Zurich, Il.

The larger one is 4.5 and the smaller is 3.5.

Would the red one have been a Snap On vise?

Anyone have any ideas on the vintage of these or can you let me know how I can tell?

Both will get restored. The little guy has plastic jaws and the larger one has brass jaws, so both will get replaced with original stuff.


Thanks

Scott
 
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The date is on the bottom of the keyway. Remove the slide to see it.
The red paint would be a Snap On unless it just got repainted in red.

The BOPC show was last weekend, we had a good turn out.
 

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The date is on the bottom of the keyway. Remove the slide to see it.
The red paint would be a Snap On unless it just got repainted in red.

The BOPC show was last weekend, we had a good turn out.

Sorry I missed the show. I've only been once, but was really impressed by the number and quality of the cars.

Did some basic disassembly and cleaning to get them ready to ship. The red paint on the 4.5" vise is covering the original color. I'm assuming that this means it would have been a repaint; assuming the red paint for Snap On vises would have been painted on bare metal, not over the factory color.

On the smaller vise, would this have originally been a swivel base or were the swivel base vises built the same as fixed base vises?

Thanks

Scott
 

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On second thought I think the Snap On vises were Tradesman series with the rectangular indent in the side. The label was a stick on.
Maybe someone will chime in that knows more about Wilton ?
 
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GET and BP: yes the Wilton Snap On vises were all Tradesman models.

Provy: I have a lot on my plate this week, but i'll try to pull it out and take a look. I also have laptop/cell phone/email and picture taking issues so might be easier for Joe who might have his bought and fully restored by tomorrow. i'll help if I can though so post a reminder if Joe doesn't end up buying those Athols or if another member that has one handy doesn't post up a few pictures and tell us.
 

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Have to give a big thank you to a new user by the name of norview for his thread asking about Record vice dating. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327632
It's commonly thought that up until the late 60's that Record vices had the meatball/teardrop/curvy screw end and then changed over to the more easily made cylindrical screw end.
Well norview noticed whilst looking at my catalogues the mechanics vices (No 00 to No 8) have had the cylindrical screw end since much earlier (they have it in my 1935 catalogue). I had never noticed this, it also looks like he may also have found a date stamp on the underside of the mechanics vices as well.
So if you have one of the mechanics vices take a look under neath and see if you can find the year stamped.

I have no idea how I missed this :-/
 

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Very interesting and I hadn't noticed the date Stamping on the underside but I had noticed the cylinder handle in your catalogue scans recently.
I think all of the Parkinson Handy mechanic's are cylindrical as well.
 

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I had noticed the Handy vises had the cylindrical handle so I guess logic should have dictated that the Record mechanics vices would also have it.

Even having a look on Ebay shows a Record No 5 with what could be a year stamped on the underside.

record no 5 date.jpg
 

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Originally posted by BlueBolt.

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BTW: I think Hollands is still in business, now in Hollands MI. Am pretty sure someone posted some pics of there current facility and products a while back.
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Are you sure you don't mean Yost which is now in Holland MI? I have no evidence of Hollands Manufacturing Co past the 1930's in my research.
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PGH, I'm thinking Blue is right.---I made the same mistake in a post prior, sometime back, and someone , and I can't remember who, corrected me on that.---I don't think Hollands ever left PA.

Here's Blue's ,Hollands history research, revisited.
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Hollands Vise History. This will be info I put together and re-arrange later.

The founder's obituary, Caleb Holland. http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...&MRid=48638862

"WESTFIELD REPUBLICAN, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 25, 1900
C. HOLLANDS DEAD.
A WELL KNOWN MANUFACTURER —PASSES AWAY. Was Formerly a Resident of This Village, Bat Had Resided In Erie For About Twenty Tears.—Was One of The Founders sf The Hollands Manufacturing Co. As the result of an attack of dropsy Caleb Hollands, one of the founders of the Hollands Manufacturing company, died at his home, No. 233 West Eleventh street, Erie,Pa., on Wednesday night, April 18, 1900, aged Nearly 63 years. He had been ill for some time, and while his death was not unexpected it will cause much surprise and regret to a large circle of friends. The deceased was born in Sussex county, England, on August 23, 1837,and was one of a family of six children born to John and Elizabeth (James) Hollands, four of whom were older than himself. With his brother, Jabez, he came to this country and located in this village in 1854, when but 17 years of age. He served an apprenticeship at the molders' trade, and latter took full charge of their on department of the Townsend Lock Co. ,which position he held for 10years. In 1881 he moved to Erie, and entered the employ of" the Jarecki Mfg. Co. After two years he went with the Griswold Mfg. Co., as foreman of the molding department, where he remained for several years, finally branching out with business associates, into the Hollands Mfg. Co., and was President of the company, and was one of the best known manufacturers of that city. Mr, Hollands was twice married. In 1857 he married Miss Elizabeth Strain, and by this union has two children. Sarah E., now Mrs. G. W. Hale, of this place, and John C., traveling salesman of the Griswold Co., of Erie. Mrs. Hollands died seven years ago, and in February, 1898, he married for his second wife Miss Belle Kane, of Erie, who with one son, Edward, survives him. He also leaves two sisters,one in England, and Mrs. S. W. Roads, of this place. The funeral was held on Saturday and the remains were buried in Weetfield cemetery with Masonic ceremonies, by Summit Lodge No. 219, of which Mr. Hollands had been a member since 1864. The lodge marched in funeral procession to the Lake Shore road and received the remains from the 1:03p m. train and took them to Westfield cemetery where the burial took place. The floral offerings were many and of exceptional beauty. —

Added by dusty kennedy on Aug 27, 2015 8:15 PM"

Superintendent Robert B Hough https://books.google.com/books?id=fs...e pa&f=false

"Robert B Hough, Erie Pa superintendent of the Hollands Manufacturing Company was born in Brockville Ontario Canada March 22 1858 and is a son of john and Ellen Rogers Hough natives of Canada and England respectively When Robert was 13 years old the family removed to Erie so the greater part of his education was received in his adopted city He learned the trade of machinist at the Erie City Iron Works where he remained six years Entering the employ of the Stearns Manufacturing Company he remained three and one half years when he became chief machinist for the Griswold Manufacturing Company and four years later took the position o superintendent In 1890 he assisted in organizing the Hollands Manufacturing Company of which he is the second largest stock holder. Mr Hough was married May 17 1888 to Miss Kate Anthony of Erie. They have four children Robert Lay deceased, John Kenneth, Richard Caleb and Margaretta Ellen He is a member of the Masonic order is a Republican in his political inclinations and was a member of the Common Council of Erie from 1888 to 1890 Mr. and Mrs. Hough attend St Paul's Episcopal Church."

Vice President Edwin S Rockafeller. https://books.google.com/books?id=fs...e pa&f=false
"Edwin S Rockafellar vice president and general manager of the Hollands Manufacturing Comany Erie Pa was born in Mechanicsburg Pa April 8 1856 and is a son of John M and Sarah Hoffman Rockafellar natives of Cumberland and Lancaster counties Pennsylvania and of earl Holland ancestry His father a printer by trade and later a real estate agent reared a family of eleven children five of whom are living and of whom Edwin S is the second He received his early education in the public schools of his native city and at the age of 16 found employment in a hardware store where he remained five years He then took a course in Eastman's Commerclal College after which he secured a position as bookkeeper in Pittsbur remaining five years ln the meantime he had ecome interested in the firm of John B Harker 8 Co jobbers in hollow ware and also ept the books of that concern In 1881 Mr Harker and he came to Erie and took full control of the hollow ware department of the Selden & Griswold Manufacturing Companz After one year Mr Harker withdrew and Mr Ilockafellar continued the business alone In 1887 he began the manufacture and sale of natural gas burners which were made by contract with the Griswold Manufacturing Company In 1890 the Hollands Manufacturing Com any was incor 0rateil with Caleb Hollands presi ent ES Roc afellar treasurer and general manager HL McWhorter secretar and treasurer and RB Hough superintendent Fhe plant is located at 325 est Twelfth street and is 150x200 feet Besides the natural gas burners the now manufacture vises and plumbers machines an tools Mr Rockafellar was married September 15 1875 to Miss Mary A Boileau of Harrisburr Pa They have one child Lawrence S Mr Roc afellar isa Republican in his political views and was elected a member of the Common Council in 1890 serving until 1894 when he was elected a member of the Select Council In I892 he was chosen president of the Common Council which position he held for one year. He is a member of the Masonic fraternity, the Elks and the A.O.U.W."

Brief company history https://books.google.com/books?id=fs...e pa&f=false
"Hollands Manufacturing Co. natural gas burners, vises, machinists and plumbers tools. Twelfth street between Myrtle and Chestnut. Caleb Hollands President, H.L. McWhorter Secretary, E.S. Rockafeller Manager, R. B. Hough Superintendent. Established in 1890."

Things so far I have found that Hollands Mfg Co made
Bench Vises
Pipe Vises
Cast iron ladle for lead
Cast iron pot for melting lead or solder
Adjustable Wrench
Pipe thread cutter
Steam Pipe wrench
Pipe wrench with screw adjuster
Pipe cutter
Pipe reamer brace bit
Waffle irons
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Hollands
VERY interesting writeup on Hollands life/death in Westfield.....I spent 50+ years living 8 miles west of Westfield and 25 miles east of Erie....The Wright family that owns Reed Mfg. has a huge summer home in Westfield.... I wonder how many times Mr. Hollands sat on their veranda and discussed vises?..... Next time I am back home I'll look up Mr. Hollands grave site in the Westfield Cemetery and post a picture...
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Just gunna post a teaser. I was in our machine shop at work today, in an area I rarely see, when something caught my eye - a giant yellow vise. I walked over and took a look. Nothing Earth shattering, but it's not everyday you see a Reed 405 1/2. I will bring my camera to work tomorrow and get a photo.

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OK I finally get to post something here. I picked up this vise today. It has the numbers 1760 or 1780 cast into it. I'm guessing 1760 because it is a 6" jaw width. Is it a Wilton? The key way on the bottom of the dynamic jaw says
"10 83" on it. Any affirmation of correction is appreciated.
John

I like that one a lot. Good find.
 

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Thanks crice63, It is going to replace Crowntop Craftsman 4 1/2" That I have now. I just wanted something a little bigger for my needs. 6" jaws will do well for me. The Craftsman will go to my son who has a $25 china POS now.

If I was a real good dad I would give him the Wilton, but I'm not :lol_hitti
John
 

jreb10

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This thread needs some excitement. Just brought this one home today. Here it is "as found":

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Oh yeah! The Craftsman vise "Holy Grail":

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GETRIDAONE

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No glamour pictures in the last few days so I'll put a few up. The stand is obviously a Baldor grinder stand with a nicley made top plate to fit the Parker 976. The jaws have taken a beating and I did the best I could without grinding them down to nothing. I made a new handle to replace the bent one. I had a piece of 3/4" round so I used it instead of the original 13/16". It was a little loose from wear and being undersize so I put a plastic bushing in. It works well at keeping the handle where you put it. The color is sage & hunter green.
 

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