Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

[don long]

Congratulations on your new saw addition. How rare is that monster?

 

[AZpilot]

A cut above the rest.

 

[Cruzan80]

Saw that go up, and emailed the guy a day or two after it was up. When he didn't respond, I was hoping you had seen it and gotten it.

 

[WarrenJ]

Nice addition. Looking forward to seeing what you do to it.

 

[Red Leader]

Saw that go up, and emailed the guy a day or two after it was up. When he didn't respond, I was hoping you had seen it and gotten it.

Yeah, it was a wonderful acquisition - what is funny is that he didn't respond to me either. I think perhaps he was inundated with scammers and probably lost interest/faith in what would have been the humans responding. It took about a week and a half later but one of our other members picked it up, and was generous enough to send it on my way. Again, I had actually very, very little to do with this one! It was the sheer kindness/sleuthiness of others that did it.

We have a local Colorado email list of old machine-interested folks. If you are interested in knowing more about it, just PM me. We just had a gathering the other day and it was wonderful! The picture with me and the other gentleman was from that day.

 

[Red Leader]

Nice addition. Looking forward to seeing what you do to it.

Well, the list is long, but this saw is worth it. Here is the start -

1) Replace 1 broken handwheel
2) Find knob for second handwheel
3) Replace/repair cracked motor mount plate
4) Replace damaged miter gauge
5) Replace broken zamak fence head (thinking of getting one machined from solid block of steel)
6. Find OEM extension (don't know if that is happening if they only came on this saw...might upgrade to the cast iron ones from the Atlas saws)
7. Find period correct Craftsman motor
8. Replace/make new table insert
9. Find a good switch/electricals for it
10. Fabricate new access port door
11. Fabricate new rear dust door
12. Repair cabinet dent/dings
13. Find missing hardware (bolts for cabinet-to-frame, etc)
14. Find missing elevation lock
15. Find splitter/blade guard
16. Fabricate belt guard (just for fun)
17. Straighten fence rail (I think it is just slightly bent near the end)
18. Total restore/repaint
19. New SKF decal
20. New belt

...and probably some other things that I'm forgetting. So...it actually needs a ton of work. But...it will be worth it!

 

[Red Leader]

Congratulations on your new saw addition. How rare is that monster?

Extremely. So...the deco style base was offered from 1940-1941 (officially) from Craftsman, but this particular model was not found in the Craftsman catalog.

It technically has the updated motor mount, whereas all of the smaller-cabinet 101.02180s documented (only 3) have the pivot/swing style mount. Atlas/Craftsman switched to the new mount style starting in 1939, so it is a little bit of a mystery why the first of these saws in 1940 still had the older style, but it might have been a 'phase in' kind of thing.

In any case, prior to this saw, there were 3 documented that were known to exist. There was a fourth one that I remember seeing a couple of years ago on C/L that I skipped at the time (probably due to distance). Throughout the years I have been on GJ, I think there have been 1-2 others that folks have contacted me about. One was a gentleman who was selling his that was already documented in the OWWM photo index, and another one a guy told me about but I never saw pictures. I have no doubt that there are others out there, but yes, they are extremely rare. I don't know how many were made and how many still exist. The unfortunate way that people in our modern world seem to have a knack for throwing away anything that looks old and rusty, I'm betting not many. On top of that, they were only offered for a couple of years and then ****, gone.

So yes, if you ever, ever see one of these, snag it and restore it and preserve it! They are an incredible statement of modernism and streamline deco style for what I consider is the pinnacle time frame of industrial art.

As far as this particular saw, with its wider base than the 02180 saws, if you were to run a google search on '101.02182' I think you would get about 3 hits. One of them is an old auction link describing an old saw with 101.02182 as the model number, so technically there are two of these that I know about I have seen a couple of 101.02181s and I do believe they have the slightly larger base like this one has.

So, if I was to count the ones that I know of, it would be around 7, including this one.

My sincere hope is the more I can highlight these amazing, fantastic old and rare tools like this one, the more they will be in people's minds so that if they actually come across something like it, instead of saying 'oh look there is an old rusty saw getting thrown away' it would be 'oh wow, that is a really rare and cool tool and it is worth preserving!'

Some of us are already there, but I can't tell you the number of times that I've had people contact me after I've posted up an old Craftsman tool either here or on the OWWM photo index and tell me that they have the same thing and they had no idea what it was or that it was special. And special is in the eye of the beholder, but I believe that all of these old tools are special, because to me they represent an amazing time in America that contributed greatly to our industrial rise.

Thank you to all of you following along for your continuing interest in this adventure of old tool discoveries!!! The 'quest list' is getting smaller and smaller!

Now, only a few things remain! What an amazing year it has been! In just one year...The 1956 floor planer...the Craftsman floor press...the 1943 Catalog dual gang drill press base (even if it at one point in time it was an Atlas badged one)...and now this.

These 2 items are now at the top of the list:

1) a 1940-1941 Craftsman lathe machine base, of similar deco style to the saw -

AND


2) a 1942 Craftsman 'machine shop' vise-

Both of these are fantastically, unbelievably rare tools that, to my knowledge, we don't even have pictures of, anywhere. But!...I KNOW they are out there, waiting to be discovered, documented...preserved! And appreciated!!! They are the next up on the hunt!!!

I can't slow down!!!

 

[Bears Fan]

Great score on the table saw! I like the price of that lathe cabinet and the vise in those 1941 ads Nice job on the charging station too! Nice addition to the craftsman garage...

 

[jbmatth]

Great job on finding that saw and best of luck on the resoration. I keep my eye open but don't typically find much around me. That hasn't stopped me from picking up the odd piece here and there though.
JB

 

[cdrewferd]

The saw looks good in your shop. I knew when I picked it up it would look right at home there. Glad you're happy with it and I know you'll restore it to it's original glory.

Drew - the funny looking guy in the red shirt standing next to the other funny looking guy.

 

[tinbender 66]

Nice catch Dave!!!

 

[toddjb]

Keep your pennies near by, RL - I'll be shooting you some links to the bench and vise over the next couple of months

So glad this deal worked out. Couldn't be in better hands.

 

[WarrenJ]

Well, the list is long, but this saw is worth it. Here is the start -

1) Replace 1 broken handwheel
2) Find knob for second handwheel
3) Replace/repair cracked motor mount plate
4) Replace damaged miter gauge
5) Replace broken zamak fence head (thinking of getting one machined from solid block of steel)
6. Find OEM extension (don't know if that is happening if they only came on this saw...might upgrade to the cast iron ones from the Atlas saws)
7. Find period correct Craftsman motor
8. Replace/make new table insert
9. Find a good switch/electricals for it
10. Fabricate new access port door
11. Fabricate new rear dust door
12. Repair cabinet dent/dings
13. Find missing hardware (bolts for cabinet-to-frame, etc)
14. Find missing elevation lock
15. Find splitter/blade guard
16. Fabricate belt guard (just for fun)
17. Straighten fence rail (I think it is just slightly bent near the end)
18. Total restore/repaint
19. New SKF decal
20. New belt

...and probably some other things that I'm forgetting. So...it actually needs a ton of work. But...it will be worth it!

Man, that's a list of work.

 

[Red Leader]

The saw looks good in your shop. I knew when I picked it up it would look right at home there. Glad you're happy with it and I know you'll restore it to it's original glory.

Drew - the funny looking guy in the red shirt standing next to the other funny looking guy.

A very accurate description on all accounts!

Keep your pennies near by, RL - I'll be shooting you some links to the bench and vise over the next couple of months

So glad this deal worked out. Couldn't be in better hands.

You know, I never would have believed it...but after this past year, I don't think I've ever seen a C/L-fu stronger than yours. You are Nancy have to be the most unbelievable C/J jedis I've ever seen.

Again hats off to you both!

-Dave

 

[IRQVET]

Subscribed!

As a history ****, me likely

 

[chrislehr]

this thread inspired me a lot, and managed to pick up something on our local CL today.
20160831_233350194_iOS by Chris Lehr, on Flickr

20160831_233002574_iOS by Chris Lehr, on Flickr

 

[6PTsocket]

I have seen a single and double post pedestal. I have the single under my Craftsman/ King Seeley jointer. I know that doesn't help you any. I was wondering if anybody knows of a good match for the Anniversary Gold or do I have to get it custom mixed?

 

[6PTsocket]

That blue and red is awesome but if anybody knows the answer to my question, it will be here. I have an anniversary series King Seeley 4 1/8" jointer. Does anybody have a modern match for that gold? I have to fabricate the fence middle brace and I found a replacement for my broken casting, that holds the end of the fence, on eBay, but it is gray. I just want to touch up the original paint. It is even on the Sears pedestal. That leaves the belt exposed. There are belt guards for
VW dune buggies that look promising. There was a Sears guard but I will never find that one

 

[Manyroots]

I'm restoring a Craftsman paint sprayer like yours, can you shoot a photo of the front decal on the sprayer,so I can have it reproduced

 

[Red Leader]

I'm restoring a Craftsman paint sprayer like yours, can you shoot a photo of the front decal on the sprayer,so I can have it reproduced

Manny,

I'm just checking back in to this thread - it has been a long time!

Yes, let me see what I can do!

As I reflect on a great year, I got to thinking about when this crazy obsession started, back in the summer of 2010. Gosh what success I've had - LARGELY due to others! I have been collecting rare Craftsman tools since 2010, and my quest list is almost complete. Looking back, its cool to see the way it all came together -

Vintage 7" grinder, Thanks to Eric in PA (Allentown)
Craftsman cabinet saw (1960s), thanks to Nancy (Ft Collins, CO)
20" tilting jig-saw, thanks to Eric Clayton (Chicago)
18" Craftsman band saw (procured from Walsenburg, CO)
Craftsman combo sander on pedestal base (from New England)
12" Floor thickness planer (thanks to Todd)
Art deco base for 1943 Craftsman dual gang drill press (Todd strikes again)
1940-41 Craftsman 9" Cabinet saw (Thank you Andrew - we still need to talk!)
Craftsman 100 drill press with table raising attachment (Thanks to Keith/Todd/Larry)

And with that, I've got a line on some very interesting and rare Craftsman items that have been on the list for quite some time, but time will tell.

Just a few things left on the list...but wow, NEVER would have thought I would have come across these things, in such a short time. It makes me excited about 2017.

What is on your guy's lists for 2017? Feel free to share!

 

[Red Leader]

this thread inspired me a lot, and managed to pick up something on our local CL today.
20160831_233350194_iOS by Chris Lehr, on Flickr

20160831_233002574_iOS by Chris Lehr, on Flickr

Well done! I've not seen one that complete before!

 

[Red Leader]

Subscribed!

As a history ****, me likely

Fellow history student myself here - always something new to learn!

 

[Mavawreck]

Glad to see your still at it!

M
What is on your guy's lists for 2017? Feel free to share!

The site work and foundation for a 24x30 detached shop.

 

[tinbender 66]

Thanks for dropping by RL! I'm about to start on that bandsaw that's been sitting in the corner for way too long. I may be looking for a little advice from time to time so check in from time to time! CYA

 

[Red Leader]

Thanks for dropping by RL! I'm about to start on that bandsaw that's been sitting in the corner for way too long. I may be looking for a little advice from time to time so check in from time to time! CYA

Paul! Great to hear from you! Life has been busy! Hows the car treatin' ya?

My shop is a mess...and cold! But work will be done in it this holiday break! I'll try to get some pictures up soon.

Feel free to post any/all bandsaw pictures up on here or to ask any questions, I'd love to help.

-Dave

 

[tinbender 66]

Thanks Dave. I bought the bandsaw at a garage sale over a year ago, Craftsman bronze to match my saw and drill press. My wife wants Adirondack chairs to replace to old cheap ones so I best get crackin' on it. This is the first place I'd come to for advice.

The car is treatin' me fine, except with the ice, snow and rain I can't drive it. I put heat in the garage last winter which made a HUGE difference.

This site has gotten so big and moves so fast that it's hard to keep up. You post something, get a reply or two and the next day it's on page 207 ha ha.

That's ok though, I made some good internet friends here and got over 500K views.

I'll be back around again too, as soon as I get off my rear and accomplish something!

 

[Lyndon]

OK, so it's the Tuesday before Christmas (I hear that's cause for a holiday somewhere ). And the sun is long gone, so a few drinks have been had.

So Dave, while I may not contribute here a lot, I do appreciate what you're doing (for you and for us) - and I wish you, and yours, a whole heartedly fantastic and prosperous Christmas.

I cannot describe (in manly words) what this site means to me. More power to You and yours.

Have a great Christmas, and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year.

Lyndon
Nearly Fatherly Christmas . . . .

 

[Red Leader]

Thanks Dave. I bought the bandsaw at a garage sale over a year ago, Craftsman bronze to match my saw and drill press. My wife wants Adirondack chairs to replace to old cheap ones so I best get crackin' on it. This is the first place I'd come to for advice.

The car is treatin' me fine, except with the ice, snow and rain I can't drive it. I put heat in the garage last winter which made a HUGE difference.

This site has gotten so big and moves so fast that it's hard to keep up. You post something, get a reply or two and the next day it's on page 207 ha ha.

That's ok though, I made some good internet friends here and got over 500K views.

I'll be back around again too, as soon as I get off my rear and accomplish something!

OK, so it's the Tuesday before Christmas (I hear that's cause for a holiday somewhere ). And the sun is long gone, so a few drinks have been had.

So Dave, while I may not contribute here a lot, I do appreciate what you're doing (for you and for us) - and I wish you, and yours, a whole heartedly fantastic and prosperous Christmas.

I cannot describe (in manly words) what this site means to me. More power to You and yours.

Have a great Christmas, and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year.

Lyndon
Nearly Fatherly Christmas . . . .

Thanks guys, I appreciate your thoughts and support. To you and anyone else takin' a gander, Merry Christmas to you all, with all the best wishes for you and yours this season. I haven't been on this site for a while, but I am still around and so is the garage. More changes are coming and more tools as well. You guys have all been so supportive over these past 6 years, really appreciate you all.

 

[fergus]

Glad to see you back man. Your thread really inspired me to look at older tools in general. In the coming years, I plan on a whole shop full of vintage stuff. Probably tools as big as I can get my hands on. I have also inherited a 26" Crescent bandsaw...there's a few pics on on my thread. Its kinda all there, less a motor and pulleys, and controls, and guards.
Anywho, cheers to the Christmas season and a Happy New Year!

 

[tinbender 66]

Merry Christmas to you and yours too Dave!!

 

[don long]

Hi Red leader
Stopped in to wish you a very merry Christmas and let you know that my vintage Craftsman wood shop is very close to be fully operational
So Thank you for all of the valuable information you have offered over the past year and I hope to get to know you a little better next year

Don

 

[CafeTools]

Nice, and merry christmas to craftsman!

 

[Red Leader]

Thanks guys! I really appreciate it! I hope you all had a great Merry Christmas! We did (with the kids) and had a lot of fun. And now, trying to get some vehicle projects done now that Christmas projects are done.

Also, my dad picked me up something interesting for the garage. I'll get a pic of that up in in a moment..

 

[Red Leader]

So, my dad sent me the beauty since he figured I didn't have a pencil sharpener out in the garage -



Here is a good write-up on these great old pencil sharpeners

This unit is in 'fairly weathered' condition, but when we stuck a pencil (colored, known for being fairly brittle) in the thing, it came out as sharp as a needle (which sounds like standard fare for these all-metal USA made workhorses).

Any day that some good old made-in-USA vintage iron comes into the garage is a good day.

Also, it reminds me of something familiar. I'm seeing some similarities...

I wasn't sure if I was going to just restore or leave alone, but after realizing the handle is brass...holy cow, this is is going to be restored! I still have some verde green paint left...

EDIT: These pictures are showing up HUGE and I'm still trying to figure it out.

 

[Bob Heine]

Dave, good to see you back. That pencil sharpener was the bane of my existence at work. Put you left hand in your pocket and sharpen a pencil with it and you'll see what I mean. Hint: mouth helps...

 

[ssmmgg]

Just found this thread and really enjoy all the works you have done.

Btw, I found a post of craftsman vise in craigslist , seems not the one you are looking for:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/5955284651.html

 

[Cris B]

I love your work and the theme in this garage. Can I ask one question - what's the deal with the plinth on this cabinet?

 

[Huxley]

Ping.

 

[ckadams00]

PM'd him. Hope he'll be back soon!

 

[Thirdyfivepickup]

Man... what an amazing thread!! My dad is a self-described "wood butcher" and he's had a few of these machines you've posted over the years. I need to get to his place and see what he still has. He's 77 now and has slowed down a bit but not much. He's got 6 different saws/lathes etc he's looking to get rid of. All are giant industrial machines that are probably 30+ years old. If any of it looks interesting I'll grab some pictures. His garage is pretty big and packed with tools. Nothing fancy but well laid out and has everything you could possibly need.

Your garage is an inspiration. Once I get to working on mine I'll be incorporating some of the things I've seen here and from all over this site.