Cat 5 and 100 amp service question

[jeepnatv4life]

Can cat 5 be ran in the same conduit as my electrical service without issues? I am currently stubbing in for my slab and was wondering

 

[mobiledynamics]

No. LV in it's own pipe. Ideally....not parallel to it , IF it can be avoided..

 

[CNGsaves]

Stub in 2 conduits at least 12" apart if you want to ensure no problems.

 

[theoldwizard1]

I don't know about electrical code allowing/disallowing HV and LV in the same conduit. "best practice" has always been separate conduits.

From a purely technical standpoint, CAT 5/5E/6 as used in any of the "Ethernet over twisted pair" has excellent noise and crosstalk immunity.

 

[rockwithjason]

to share a conduit the wire must have the same voltage rating. service wire has a 600v rating, cat five has no voltage rating and can't share the same conduit. of course there is more to the issue but that is the simple answer.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Conduit is cheap and you'll already have a trench dug. Toss an extra conduit like 3/4" or 1" for your cat5, might as well run some RG6 for the TV and a string in both conduits for any future pulls.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

to share a conduit the wire must have the same voltage rating. service wire has a 600v rating, cat five has no voltage rating and can't share the same conduit. of course there is more to the issue but that is the simple answer.

Code wise, the CAT5e would need to be rated for the proper voltage and its not.

So u need a separate conduit....put in several so u have options. Easier to do it now.

 

[FreddiFiche]

Code wise, the CAT5e would need to be rated for the proper voltage and its not.

So u need a separate conduit....put in several so u have options. Easier to do it now.

^ This. There are some Cat5e, that is voltage rated. We use in MCC's, and other industrial applications. Rockwell bulletin 1585 stuff. You won't like the price, so run a separate conduit.

 

[tomstin]

and a string in both conduits for any future pulls.

I'm a big fan of always pulling a string along with any cable pull you make. Cheap, easy and you'll be grateful when the next technology comes along or "damn I should have thought of that!"

 

[jeepnatv4life]

so should I use CAT 5 cable or CAT 5 E???

 

[rockwithjason]

if you want bleeding edge speed then use cat 6, otherwise either will do

 

[jeepnatv4life]

if you want bleeding edge speed then use cat 6, otherwise either will do

Bleeding edge speed??

 

[Falcon67]

Cat 5 - cheap, good enough. We're running Gig speeds on desktops in buildings full of Cat5, some runs near the spec limit. Lots of it old, like 20 years. No issues.

 

[MrBalll]

Whatever you want to afford you should be good with.
Cat6 will be much faster, but you probably won't be using it's potential for quite awhile.

Cat5 will do you just fine.

 

[kossuth]

Cat 5 - cheap, good enough. We're running Gig speeds on desktops in buildings full of Cat5, some runs near the spec limit. Lots of it old, like 20 years. No issues.

If your talking actual cat 5 then your damn lucky. Been trying to talk the boss into getting one of our office areas rewired. A mix of cat 5 and 5e. The original cat 5 was put in around 98 or so. Some of those drops just flat ****. Several negotiate to 10 mb due to the amount of noise from all the electrical wiring. Fox and Hound are damned near useless from the 60 hz hum it's so bad.

As for the OPs question 5e or 6 would work.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Guys, the OP asked about CAT5 and CAT5e.

Surprised no one picked up on this and mentioned the differences.

Cat 5 is old, runs at lower bandwidth (100mhz vs. 350mhz), is susceptable to more noise and only supports 10 or 10Mbps ethernet though some have gotten poor gigabit performance out of it.

If u want gigabit speeds, go with at least CAT5e.

CAT6 isnt worth the added cost since it will do max gigabit as well but if u used it u be future proofing the system.

so should I use CAT 5 cable or CAT 5 E???

If your talking actual cat 5 then your damn lucky. Been trying to talk the boss into getting one of our office areas rewired. A mix of cat 5 and 5e. The original cat 5 was put in around 98 or so. Some of those drops just flat ****. Several negotiate to 10 mb due to the amount of noise from all the electrical wiring. Fox and Hound are damned near useless from the 60 hz hum it's so bad.

As for the OPs question 5e or 6 would work.

Why is he lucky? CAT5 is older and not as good as CAT5e....or were u being sarcastic?

 

[borisdavenport]

Can cat 5 be ran in the same conduit as my electrical service without issues? I am currently stubbing in for my slab and was wondering

Hi, I am not a pioneer on this matter. One of my friends told me he had done a project using CAT 5. Using the unused pin in CAT 5 they powered up the remote devices like some HUBS and routers. They powered it from the cable itself without using an extra power supply. Is it really possible?

 

[dave89iroc]

Hi, I am not a pioneer on this matter. One of my friends told me he had done a project using CAT 5. Using the unused pin in CAT 5 they powered up the remote devices like some HUBS and routers. They powered it from the cable itself without using an extra power supply. Is it really possible?

its called PoE, Power over Ethernet

 

[jeepnatv4life]

well ive got 100' of cat5e at my supplier and i plan to stuff it thru its own 1" conduit this weekend in the same trench on top of the 2" Im running to my shop for the power.

Thank you for everyones input

 

[Falcon67]

LOL, we've run 100m over Cat3 by accident. In the older buildings here with 6 port wall plates, 4-5-6 might be Cat5 wired, the other Cat3 for phone/fax. The only Cat6 we are planning to use is in a building that is right now undergoing a complete to-the-wall-gut and re-hab.

>well ive got 100' of cat5e at my supplier and i plan to stuff it thru its own 1" conduit this weekend

Good to go. As above, pull a piece of nylon twine with it just in case. I ran RG-6 through a 1" to the shop, no pull string. I later ended up cutting the RG-6 to use as a pull to get a run of net cable in there. Oops. Wive said "What about the next pull" "I'm digging it up if I have to do this again (only 30').

 

[Trey T]

Hi, I am not a pioneer on this matter. One of my friends told me he had done a project using CAT 5. Using the unused pin in CAT 5 they powered up the remote devices like some HUBS and routers. They powered it from the cable itself without using an extra power supply. Is it really possible?

a lot of commercial wireless access point are using Cat5 for both data and power. Like someone mentioned, it's called PoE .... extremely common today.

 

[Trey T]

so should I use CAT 5 cable or CAT 5 E???

Cat5e because that's all they sell these day locally but also consider cat6. I only use cat6 these days because it's so cheap. You can get a roll of 500' of cat5e for $50 and cat6 for $80.

you can do some research and plan your network system, then go on the board to ask a bunch of questions .... or can just take the guess work out of it and just get cat6. I had this dilemma recently but for $30 more .... it's no brainer to get cat6.

 

[jeepnatv4life]

Cat5e because that's all they sell these day locally but also consider cat6. I only use cat6 these days because it's so cheap. You can get a roll of 500' of cat5e for $50 and cat6 for $80.

you can do some research and plan your network system, then go on the board to ask a bunch of questions .... or can just take the guess work out of it and just get cat6. I had this dilemma recently but for $30 more .... it's no brainer to get cat6.

shew I got screwed...........................$44 for 100' non plenum ouch

 

[Jay337]

if your cat5 is shielded you should not have problem to run the electric cable and cat5 cable innproximity but you never run low voltage or communications cable with high voltage (110v and +) in the same conduct.

you should have took cat6 for maximum performance.

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[wyliesdiesels]

if your cat5 is shielded you should not have problem to run the electric cable and cat5 cable innproximity but you never run low voltage or communications cable with high voltage (110v and +) in the same conduct.

you should have took cat6 for maximum performance.

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And unshielded is called UTP(unshielded twisted pair), shielded is STP, and foil shield is FTP

 

[manwithtools]

^ This. There are some Cat5e, that is voltage rated. We use in MCC's, and other industrial applications. Rockwell bulletin 1585 stuff. You won't like the price, so run a separate conduit.

600 volt rated Cat 5e is available from Belden as well. Price is higher than non rated, the real killer is the connectors pricing. We have started using a punch down adapter to get this to a female RJ45 connection at a lower price point. This can be a real money saver in some applications where you can run the 5e in the same wire-way or cable tray as the power and motor leads in an industrial setting.

The more networked control systems are becoming the more important this is.

All of that being said, in a home shop project, I'd run a separate 1" conduit and put the Ethernet cable in that. One day you might want to upgrade to fiber....

 

[mike93lx]

Always run two lines. It is cheap, can be used for a lot of functions and a lot easier to run now.

 

[nsula_country]

I see there are some Industrial Controls guys in here. Welcome, as am I. The AB and Belden cable is pricey, as are the shielded connectors. I have used them, but prefer to run a separate conduit for comms. Most of our production lines have two wire trays. One for 120v-480v and one for 24VDC and comms.

Separate comms run is ALWAYS a good idea. Prevents weirdness from happening!

CT

 

[jeepnatv4life]

I ran my cat 5 in its own 1" conduit to the shop. I threaded it in at every joint and pulled thru instead of pulling string or running fish tape