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four.cycle

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Thanks very much, Woody.
In spite of all of them being at least a year old, they all bring to light points which have not been considered in the discussion threads here.
I suggest anyone reading or commenting in the other threads (particularly the one with all the speculation about "who should buy Craftsman") to read all of these articles.
I read all the comments as well, which was time consuming but raised other points I hadn't considered.
 

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Just my opinion but I don't think catering to a low price point market segment is the best strategy for all businesses. Many people are still willing to pay a little more for better quality. Sears / Craftsman used to have a reputation for quality years ago. I see this as a part of the downfall of Sears and Craftsman.
 

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Sears doesn't have that welcoming atmosphere anymore, they should just move everything online, improve their inventory as well as quality, and customer service, and call it a day. They're wasting so much money operating their brick and mortar stores. Rarely, do you see large crowds. It's Sears and Radioshack which remains as a ghost town during Black Friday and other shopping frenzies in the holiday season.
 
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The reason KCD was created was so that it could be spun off and provide some revenue for Sears. (Research Bombardier and BRP.)

Of course, Sears has ruined the "value" of KCD brands so they are only worth a fraction of what they were 20+ years ago.
 

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The following statement from an article follows.

"America's most trusted tool brand"
That's how Craftsman still describes itself , but it's becoming less true by the day.
Under Eddie Lampert's management, Sears committed the unpardonable sin of outsourcing much of its Craftsman manufacturing to China. In doing so, Sears cut costs -- but also sacrificed quality, and damaged decades of customer loyalty to this "Made in the U.S.A." brand. You can see the results in the steep sales declines in hardlines at Sears these past three quarters.


I have purchased quite a few Craftsman tools over the years. When I was younger Craftsman tools cost more but were good quality tools that would normally last a long time without a problem. Years later the price remained high but the quality went down. Some of the new tools I purchased were like twisting taffy because they bent so easily. I still have a good supply so if they break I should have replacements in the event warranty service should vanish (which I question happening). Now I am making fewer purchases and have begun buying other quality USA made brands of tools. At this time I really don't have much confidence in a brand remaining because it seems like a lot of the same "take their money and screw'em over" mindset seems to be running the show.
 

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Many years ago I heavily invested in Craftsman (USA) tools & I still use them today. Its rare I broke one, but it does happen. If I break one now I don't want to swap it for a lesser tool (China), which is exactly what you would be doing. So much for the Lifetime Warranty.
So sad....
:sad:
 

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Just my opinion but I don't think catering to a low price point market segment is the best strategy for all businesses. Many people are still willing to pay a little more for better quality. Sears / Craftsman used to have a reputation for quality years ago. I see this as a part of the downfall of Sears and Craftsman.

I used to work in advertising and have a degree in it (lest you think I'm talking out of my ***). Companies that are doing well don't need sales, and they're almost always a death knell. Once a company starts offering sales, there is no turning back, as consumers stop buying from that company and wait until something is going on sale.

Many years ago, Rolling Rock beer was struggling because they had positioned themselves in the marketplace as a cheap brand. That worked well when the economy took a downturn and people perceived them as a budget brand, but as people made more money they no longer wanted to buy budget beer. They opted to change nothing, but raise the price on their beer, and surprisingly sales went up. People now viewed them as a premium product. This won't work in today's market for a variety of reasons (incredible competition from "artisan" microbrews), but it shows a bit about how the psychology of it works.

Once a company appeals to a lowest common denominator in the interest of short term gains, as Craftsman did, it is incredibly difficult to turn it around. They have established themselves as the cheap but decent brand, but these days everyone has a lifetime warranty and many are even cheaper (such as Kobolt and Husky). To try and turn a bigger profit for shareholders in the short term, they ruined their brand. They might be able to recover it if they did something to differentiate, such as bring all production back to America and doing a media blitz with some big differentiator, but it's very costly and they likely don't have the capital.

Apple never has sales, and all of their dealers are required to match prices. The only reason people don't buy is when they're waiting for a new model to come out, so Apple has worked extremely hard (and somewhat unsuccessfully) to prevent leaks of new products. But they understand the psychology of it, and have proven that it can be successful in the long term. But if they try and give in to pressure to increase short term profits, it will surely lead to a gradual decline that would ultimately leave them struggling.

It's amazing that more companies don't realize this--it's really Marketing 101--but when pressure is on to produce profits, a CEO who knows he's getting a multimillion dollar bonus and will be out in 10 years doesn't care.

Just look at how Klein has handled things, and you'll see that they're having a hard time right now figuring out what to do. They claim to be a premium product, and price themselves as such, but half their products are being produced to a lower price point and consumers are starting to notice. They're going to have a hard time maintaining market share now that they've started diluting the one thing that still set them apart: Made in USA.
 

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As terrible as it sounds, I can live with craftsman dying. Put SK or wright in an easy to buy and warranty outlets and I'd buy it over craftsman anyday. I can't see how they can bring higher quailty USA made tools any cheaper then SK or Wright. While I can understand craftsman has a more marketable name and therefore has value, if they return to USA made under new ownership, it has to be made by somebody. Depending who they would contract, I'd rather buy the OEM.
 

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Back in the day... sears had sears brand and craftsman. Omg huge difference in quality. Today there would be no difference. Everybody knows craftsman quality is in the toilet. Don't think they could sell using their long past reputation.

Yea yea... there are a few things they make that are still good but I speak strictly to their brand reputation.
 

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I heard that Ace Hardware is trying to buy the Craftsman name. Since they already have a deal to sell Craftsman tools in their stores it's seems logical as they have their foot in the door.
 

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I used to work in advertising and have a degree in it (lest you think I'm talking out of my ***). Companies that are doing well don't need sales, and they're almost always a death knell. Once a company starts offering sales, there is no turning back, as consumers stop buying from that company and wait until something is going on sale.

Many years ago, Rolling Rock beer was struggling because they had positioned themselves in the marketplace as a cheap brand. That worked well when the economy took a downturn and people perceived them as a budget brand, but as people made more money they no longer wanted to buy budget beer. They opted to change nothing, but raise the price on their beer, and surprisingly sales went up. People now viewed them as a premium product. This won't work in today's market for a variety of reasons (incredible competition from "artisan" microbrews), but it shows a bit about how the psychology of it works.

Once a company appeals to a lowest common denominator in the interest of short term gains, as Craftsman did, it is incredibly difficult to turn it around. They have established themselves as the cheap but decent brand, but these days everyone has a lifetime warranty and many are even cheaper (such as Kobolt and Husky). To try and turn a bigger profit for shareholders in the short term, they ruined their brand. They might be able to recover it if they did something to differentiate, such as bring all production back to America and doing a media blitz with some big differentiator, but it's very costly and they likely don't have the capital.

Apple never has sales, and all of their dealers are required to match prices. The only reason people don't buy is when they're waiting for a new model to come out, so Apple has worked extremely hard (and somewhat unsuccessfully) to prevent leaks of new products. But they understand the psychology of it, and have proven that it can be successful in the long term. But if they try and give in to pressure to increase short term profits, it will surely lead to a gradual decline that would ultimately leave them struggling.

It's amazing that more companies don't realize this--it's really Marketing 101--but when pressure is on to produce profits, a CEO who knows he's getting a multimillion dollar bonus and will be out in 10 years doesn't care.

Just look at how Klein has handled things, and you'll see that they're having a hard time right now figuring out what to do. They claim to be a premium product, and price themselves as such, but half their products are being produced to a lower price point and consumers are starting to notice. They're going to have a hard time maintaining market share now that they've started diluting the one thing that still set them apart: Made in USA.

Historically, higher prices with periodic sales has been profitable for generations, including the most profitable generations in the heyday of department stores. It is not necessarily a sign of a death spiral.

Customers do associate a store with it's pricing strategy. JC Penney tried to change it's traditional strategy to a more Walmart like everyday low pricing strategy, and customers stayed home waiting for the lower prices or shopped somewhere else. Didn't work!

Craftsman, and Sears in general, has always had big sales. I bought most of my Craftsman tools two or three decades ago, at least half of it on sale, some of at give away prices. But, to some extent, Craftsman had it's market between the cheap stuff and the pro tools, to itself. The strategy forced customers to pay attention to Craftsman, watch the sales flyers, visit the store from time to time. What else to do? Wait for the SK sale? Buy some rough hewn imports at Kmart?

The periodic sale strategy falls flat in a highly competitive market and it's never been more competitive out there. There's no need to follow the Sears sale flyer in the Sunday paper anymore. Craftsman tools no longer seem so special and neither do their prices.
 
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