Dewalt FLEXVOLT 60V Max

[Ericgst]

http://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/dewalt-dcs7485t1?cm_mmc=Affiliate-_-SaS-_-389818-_-619300


Any other information out there on the FLEXVOLT 60v Max line?

 

[Fusion13]

Going to be an all new line up of tools, cordless table saw, miter saw, circular saw, recip saw etc all brushless tools running 60v max batteries with the 20v/60v batteries all being interchangeable with each other.... Miter saw can also be used on AC power or battery power. Maybe table saw as well, not sure. The 20v tools are said to have 4x runtime if you use a new 60v battery with them

They have a power station coming as well that will provide AC power from 4 cordless batteries

 

[PelicanPines]

So this is the secret anouncement that is at 8:30am est today???

So glad this doesn't abandon the 20v tools. Smart move on DeWalt's part. I'm invested in their tools already... can't get away from them. A battery powered miter saw... (saliva dripping)...

 

[gdocktor3]

Wow that's pretty cool. No more generators needed on job sites.

 

[dacan23]

Stu's calcs that at max draw with 4 battery packs you would only get 48min of power. Plus it has a 30A max with a rated output of 1800W unlike a good generator that can power 60-100A of continuous load and 4000-8000W.

http://toolguyd.com/dewalt-flexvolt-plus-new-20v-max-tools/#comment-802999

Wow that's pretty cool. No more generators needed on job sites.

 

[FigureItOut]

Just watched their little promo video. The battery cells switching from series to parallel is pretty cool. The 120VDC saw is interesting as well. They seem to be pushing the system as a game changer in cordless tools, I wonder how far off they really are on that.

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[Ericgst]

Anyone find a list of all the new tools?

I watched a couple videos and see some tools not mentioned on Dewalt's website.

There are a couple in here. A sliding metal table saw and some sort of chainsaw looking saw

 

[rice rocket]

Just watched their little promo video. The battery cells switching from series to parallel is pretty cool.

I'm not seeing the advantage here.

Whether it's 20v or 60v, the load on each cell (which ultimately determines what the pack is able to power) is the same for the fixed number of cells.

For example, 120 watts can be 20v @ 6A or 60v @ 2A, they both will draw 2A from each cell, whether in series or parallel.

Did someone at DeWalt forget about Ohm's law?

 

[Ericgst]

I'm not seeing the advantage here.

Whether it's 20v or 60v, the load on each cell (which ultimately determines what the pack is able to power) is the same for the fixed number of cells.

For example, 120 watts can be 20v @ 6A or 60v @ 2A, they both will draw 2A from each cell, whether in series or parallel.

Did someone at DeWalt forget about Ohm's law?

Handheld tools need to be as small and light as possible. You can create smaller motors watt for watt with higher voltage.

 

[anndel]

Wow, cool! Looking forward to more tools being released. I've had my eye on the Milwaukee M18 sliding compound miter saw but maybe I'll looking into getting a Dewalt instead.

 

[dacan23]

LOL... I was thinking the same thing. Over at Toolguyd they are all the rave. One guy said well 60V is going to outperform 18V all day, to which I replied there are a lot more factors to performance than just voltage. As you state, current (amperage) and ohms have as much to determine performance. Materials used in the motor, composition, and gearing also play a part.

I'm sure their new 60/120v (actually 54/108v) perform well but lets see them head to head against the best of the rest before crowning them the king of tools.

I'm not seeing the advantage here.

Whether it's 20v or 60v, the load on each cell (which ultimately determines what the pack is able to power) is the same for the fixed number of cells.

For example, 120 watts can be 20v @ 6A or 60v @ 2A, they both will draw 2A from each cell, whether in series or parallel.

Did someone at DeWalt forget about Ohm's law?

 

[beamrider]

Wow, been waiting for this! Wonder how long it will be until we see 120v cordless tools!

Yeah, sounds kinda dumb to me too. I love me some cordless tools, but at some point it's GOT to stop......lmao

 

[jd_1138]

Wow that's pretty cool. No more generators needed on job sites.

Yep, some of these houses don't have power yet, so you can't plug in corded tools. My friend bought a foreclosure for $10k with a hole in the roof, no water, no power. We went over and did some demo and cleanup. I had my DeWalt and Ryobi cordless tools, so we had a radio going and a couple of saws going.

 

[anndel]

Maybe this is the beginning of the near term suture where using 20V MAX DC batteries into a power station DC to AC inverter providing 120VAC thus eliminating the need for a generator.

 

[bcradio]

I really like that they can be AC powered or battery powered. that makes it totally worth it to me

 

[cashishift]

I really like that they can be AC powered or battery powered. that makes it totally worth it to me

only the miter saw is this way

 

[Hpozzuoli]

I have the 20v mitre saw. I took it to the jobsite today. A battery table saw would be sweet if it was small enough. The mitre saw is 10" and so much easier to carry than my 12" mitre that sits on the stand.

 

[Stuey]

Stu's calcs that at max draw with 4 battery packs you would only get 48min of power. Plus it has a 30A max with a rated output of 1800W unlike a good generator that can power 60-100A of continuous load and 4000-8000W.

http://toolguyd.com/dewalt-flexvolt-plus-new-20v-max-tools/#comment-802999

The rated output is 1800W, and 15A, but it can handle peaks of up to double that. I just took that to mean that it can handle surges, such as when a high powered tool kicks on for the first time.

LOL... I was thinking the same thing. Over at Toolguyd they are all the rave. One guy said well 60V is going to outperform 18V all day, to which I replied there are a lot more factors to performance than just voltage. As you state, current (amperage) and ohms have as much to determine performance. Materials used in the motor, composition, and gearing also play a part.

I'm sure their new 60/120v (actually 54/108v) perform well but lets see them head to head against the best of the rest before crowning them the king of tools.

I only tested a few of the 60V tools - the brushless circular saw and reciprocating saw - but I was quite impressed.

The tools are around the same size as leading 18V/20V Max models, and the batteries are only around 50% larger.

More 20V Max brushless tools are on the way too.

What also impressed me was the potential for expansion. Maybe there will be a 60V Max 10" saw. An 8-battery power station. A 120V Max table saw.

Maybe this is the beginning of the near term suture where using 20V MAX DC batteries into a power station DC to AC inverter providing 120VAC thus eliminating the need for a generator.

Bosch has one in Europe, and Dewalt's new station is a start. I think there will be an expansion later on, maybe an 8-pack station that comes with wheels and an extending handle.

 

[GTO]

6.0Ah,nice

 

[Empty Pockets]

I have a few 18 volt DeWalt tools, as they get retired, i'll have to look into this new system. It's got me interested

 

[kctyphoon]

Nice to see Dewalt finally awakening from the coma it's been in for the last few years, but why bother keeping the 40v line at this point?

Curious to see how the Milwaukee 18v outdoor power tools coming out stack up against something like this.. At 20v I'm betting they are comparable to Milwaukee's 9.0 packs.

I'll assume their "switching" voltage is just the packs being wired both ways internally, and each tool just taps into one of the two available sets of power pins.. One being 20v one being 60v.. So it's just which output the tool is designed to plug into. Imma go out on a limb and say these batteries will be at least $200 a pop..

 

[trainer]

I wonder if there should be safety or handling concerns with higher voltage batteries. I have a cheap, lightweight table saw that gets the **** beat out of it, left out in the rain, slides around the back of the truck.

Similar treatment to a tool that has that much stored electricity could be a fire hazard.

 

[outdoorspace]

Imma go out on a limb and say these batteries will be at least $200 a pop..

Acme Tools has the DCB606 (6.0 Ah 20V/60V) Flexvolt battery for $150/pc or $200 in a 2-pack.

 

[Ericgst]

Ordering available now

http://www.cpopowertools.com/dewalt-flexvolt/dewalt-flexvolt,default,sc.html

 

[BQuicksilver]

DeWalt has a good thing going here, I just hope they move fast with it. Milwaukee won't be far behind.

My .02
- Drop that 40V line and make a FULL set of 60V yard tools to unify their tools to one system. Have a pole saw, extended hedger, etc and make Milwaukee's light dip into yard tools seem soft.
- More mfg in the US. At DeWalt pricing they can afford it and make Milwaukee the cheap chinese option.
- Get a 120V 10" table saw and 10" sliding compound miter. The 60V 8.25" seems silly when you're producing 120V tools.
- Tackle the jobsite woodworker market with a 120V planer, 120V band saw, 60V routers, dust extraction, etc.
- Get a true SDS Max drill at 60 or 120V.

 

[rice rocket]

- More mfg in the US. At DeWalt pricing they can afford it and make Milwaukee the cheap chinese option.

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but the economics of this never work. Not until you see the Chinese standard of living on equal parity with ours will you see a rebalance of manufacturing (and then some other foreign country will emerge to exploit).


It goes like this.

For every dollar that DeWalt spends to employ an American worker, Milwaukee spends 1/10th that. So for a $99 drill, DeWalt spends $5 in labor (assuming made in the USA), Milwaukee spends $.50. Where do you think this cost differential goes? Let me tell you; it goes right into the marketing budget, where they (a) pay for shelf space at Home Depot, and (b) pay for those free tool/battery offers.

Check over in the Milwaukee thread and you'll see nearly everyone gushing about how they got X free tool or battery with the purchase. Guess how this is possible? Milwaukee has a rotating free offer almost 365 days a year, and consumers just can't resist the word "free", nevermind what they're actually paying for a tool.

Highly competitive market spaces like drills, saws, etc. all have fixed price points, there's no other industry where building to a budget is so apparent. There's just not any room for such huge margin gaps. By moving mfg here, they're really hurting the brand's ability to compete, which is why Milwaukee is eating their lunch.

 

[Stuey]

Nice to see Dewalt finally awakening from the coma it's been in for the last few years, but why bother keeping the 40v line at this point?

Curious to see how the Milwaukee 18v outdoor power tools coming out stack up against something like this.. At 20v I'm betting they are comparable to Milwaukee's 9.0 packs.

I'll assume their "switching" voltage is just the packs being wired both ways internally, and each tool just taps into one of the two available sets of power pins.. One being 20v one being 60v.. So it's just which output the tool is designed to plug into. Imma go out on a limb and say these batteries will be at least $200 a pop..

Because 40V packs are larger and designed especially for outdoor power tools and pro landscapers and similar users.

Yes, the pack switches from 20V to 60V Max internally.

I included some images here: http://toolguyd.com/dewalt-flexvolt-answers/

I wonder if there should be safety or handling concerns with higher voltage batteries. I have a cheap, lightweight table saw that gets the **** beat out of it, left out in the rain, slides around the back of the truck.

Similar treatment to a tool that has that much stored electricity could be a fire hazard.

The batteries are wired for 20V Max when not connected to any tools. There's also a shipping cap that helps the battery comply with shipping limits for Li-ion products.

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but the economics of this never work. Not until you see the Chinese standard of living on equal parity with ours will you see a rebalance of manufacturing (and then some other foreign country will emerge to exploit).


It goes like this.

For every dollar that DeWalt spends to employ an American worker, Milwaukee spends 1/10th that. So for a $99 drill, DeWalt spends $5 in labor (assuming made in the USA), Milwaukee spends $.50. Where do you think this cost differential goes? Let me tell you; it goes right into the marketing budget, where they (a) pay for shelf space at Home Depot, and (b) pay for those free tool/battery offers.

Check over in the Milwaukee thread and you'll see nearly everyone gushing about how they got X free tool or battery with the purchase. Guess how this is possible? Milwaukee has a rotating free offer almost 365 days a year, and consumers just can't resist the word "free", nevermind what they're actually paying for a tool.

Highly competitive market spaces like drills, saws, etc. all have fixed price points, there's no other industry where building to a budget is so apparent. There's just not any room for such huge margin gaps. By moving mfg here, they're really hurting the brand's ability to compete, which is why Milwaukee is eating their lunch.

Respectfully, you're utterly wrong.

Do you know how many people Dewalt employs vs. how many Milwaukee does in the USA?

I have never been to Dewalt's HQ, only their public training facility, but I've been to Milwaukee's and it's a sprawling complex that they're constantly growing.

They bought Empire Tools, and have been throwing huge amounts of money into expanding it.

Yes, TTi, Milwaukee's parent company, is a publicly-held Chinese company. But Milwaukee is as American as any other company. Anyone who argues otherwise is simply uninformed or so biased so as to spread misinformation purposefully.

Here you can see how many job openings Milwaukee is looking to fill: https://www.linkedin.com/vsearch/j?page_num=1&f_C=164989

Every time I check, it's for USA-based jobs.

 

[Know Wosad]

Once again the cool-aid flows. I'll go wipe down my extension cords.
Insane.

 

[rice rocket]

Respectfully, you're utterly wrong.

Do you know how many people Dewalt employs vs. how many Milwaukee does in the USA?

I have never been to Dewalt's HQ, only their public training facility, but I've been to Milwaukee's and it's a sprawling complex that they're constantly growing.

They bought Empire Tools, and have been throwing huge amounts of money into expanding it.

Yes, TTi, Milwaukee's parent company, is a publicly-held Chinese company. But Milwaukee is as American as any other company. Anyone who argues otherwise is simply uninformed or so biased so as to spread misinformation purposefully.

Here you can see how many job openings Milwaukee is looking to fill: https://www.linkedin.com/vsearch/j?page_num=1&f_C=164989

Every time I check, it's for USA-based jobs.

Yeah, because TTI is going to posts jobs on LinkedIn for jobs in China. Nice red herring though (pun fully intended).

Are you really going to point to a handful of corporate jobs, and say that's somehow analogous to the thousands of manufacturing and assembly jobs that are offshored? And how do you think they're able to grow? Couldn't be from the extra margin at retail from the underpaid workers and avoiding EPA fines, could it?

It doesn't matter how many people Milwaukee employ in the US, the fact is the input labor cost into every single item they manufacture, has a big cost variance to someone (trying) to manufacture in the USA. From my eye, they're doing to right thing for their shareholders, and are managed well and DeWalt would be nuts to keep beating their drum when Milwaukee has them by the balls. From a humanitarian perspective though, quite the opposite.


C'mon, I know they support your blog and treat you well, but take off your red glasses for a second.

 

[Jamie V]

I'm a Milwaukee cool-aid drinker and I must say I'm impressed with the first glance of these new tools/batteries.

I hope Milwaukee can go this route with backwards compatible batteries and possibly an adapter that will slide into the battery spot to provide AC power.

 

[HolyGrail]

Yeah, because TTI is going to posts jobs on LinkedIn for jobs in China. Nice red herring though (pun fully intended).

Are you really going to point to a handful of corporate jobs, and say that's somehow analogous to the thousands of manufacturing and assembly jobs that are offshored? And how do you think they're able to grow? Couldn't be from the extra margin at retail from the underpaid workers and avoiding EPA fines, could it?

It doesn't matter how many people Milwaukee employ in the US, the fact is the input labor cost into every single item they manufacture, has a big cost variance to someone (trying) to manufacture in the USA. From my eye, they're doing to right thing for their shareholders, and are managed well and DeWalt would be nuts to keep beating their drum when Milwaukee has them by the balls. From a humanitarian perspective though, quite the opposite.


C'mon, I know they support your blog and treat you well, but take off your red glasses for a second.

Have to agree with Stuey on this one......you're clearly wrong.

 

[Know Wosad]

I have a few 18 volt DeWalt tools, as they get retired, i'll have to look into this new system. It's got me interested

I do too but went ahead and got the adapter to run the 18 stuff with the 20V batteries. It's a little fugly but works like a champ !
Now the 60 can plug right in the 20V tool.I wonder if sparks will fly out the 18 XRP if I try a 60 in it via the adapter ?

I'll be in for a dual power table saw that takes wall AC or goes on the road with the batteries. I don't do all that much wood any more but I was a boy scout.
It would-could be quite handy.

 

[Ericgst]

Looks like Dewalt is showing some of the next Flexvolt tools. Not sure i have seen these before.

http://compare.dewalt.com/?utm_sour...9.30&utm_campaign=Paid_PPTBloggerAds-Sept_PPT

 

[wildbill23c]

I have a few 18 volt DeWalt tools, as they get retired, i'll have to look into this new system. It's got me interested

I bought adapters for my 18V tools so I can keep them going with the new 20V batteries. So far so good on the 18V tools, just starting to have batteries fail after about 8 years of owning the 18V stuff, so all in all I'm pretty dang happy with my Dewalt tools. I did start picking up some of the 20V stuff though and there's a pretty nice difference between the 2. The 20V stuff seems to have a bit more power, although about the same weight as the 18V though.

I wouldn't really have a use for the battery powered table saw or miter saw, but I see it as a huge deal for some contractors who have limited access to power.