The VISES of Garage Journal

[dutchgray]

Ziggy
Parkinson Handy, I have 2 smaller ones and a 6" is pretty rare, I have never seen one that large with a swivel base either. The nut is cast in so you would want to check that.
These are slightly nicer than the equivalent Record IMO
Should open 8" and weigh 92.5 lb

 

[JZiggy]

Any benefits of this Parkinson vise design over my 6" Paramo?

 

[dutchgray]

Any benefits of this Parkinson vise design over my 6" Paramo?

Not really, I think Parkinson's are the nicer design but they are my favourite maker so I am biased. I would buy that one if the price was not too much.

 

[G-ManBart]

Ziggy

here's the link to the Anvil thread in case you didn't know it existed.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33788&highlight=anvil

Ahhhhh.....you're spending my money again! I want/need an anvil, and this isn't the kind of support I need right now.

 

[Outlawmws]

Ziggy, Parkinson is easier to spell, Paramo is shorter to spell...

 

[naturalgas]

Anyone recognize this viseAntique extra heavy duty clamp on table vise 3 inch wide jaw . weighs 10 lbs no manufacturer name .

http://link.close5.com/3Mjb/X18GTeLV0u


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[GETRIDAONE]

Any benefits of this Parkinson vise design over my 6" Paramo?

They look good in red !!!

Dutch, now you have seen two with swivel bases. They have brake shoe locking systems like the Parker vise.

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Found this at an estate sale today no name or COO really heavy for a small vise, anyone have any ideas of who made it ?

 

[Thru-hika]

Hi, fellas. The fam is growing. 8", 2" an 2.5". Wanted to show how much bigger a 825 is to a 820 to a 800. The 825 is a pretty good size vise anre the PowrArm 301 is quite heafty.

 

[Outlawmws]

Chilang, how big is that thing? Seems WAY bigger that any withthe dual post slides I've seen...

Stanley held the patent rights to the slide style but that may have run out and others used the design. I've seen Stanley adn Millers falls, but no clue if it was licenced, the patent ran out, or Stanley made them for MF.

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Here it is next to a Reed 104 I am restoring. I bet it weighs 25 pounds has 3.5 inch jaws

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[demoman]

Drives - Sandman doesn't play with any anvils under 500#. I believe the one in the pic is 700# if it is the one he told me about a while back. Nice German vise.

 

[neophyte]

Found this at an estate sale today no name or COO really heavy for a small vise, anyone have any ideas of who made it ?

I usually refer to this type of vise as a Brink and Cotton style vise, because Frederick Brink had a patent on a vise of this style, and the Brink and Cotton Manufacturing Company continually manufactured this vise style for decades.

The Frederick Brink Patent was filed in late 1928 and published mid 1929. Goodell Pratt seems to have been manufacturing an almost identicle style of vise at the same time, or previously to the Frederick Brink patent. There is a 1926 Goodell Pratt Catalogue that can be found here.

http://www.blackburntools.com/articles/rose-tools-catalog-archives/pdfs/goodell-pratt-no-16.pdf

On page 6 and page 109 of the catalogue, there is pictured the Goodell Pratt modell 168 vise along with some other Goodell Pratt vises. Your vise looks very similar to the Goodell Pratt vises due to the smooth semi circle shape of the jaws when closed which seems to have been characteristic of most of the smaller Goodell vises. Your vise differs from the Goodell 168 vise due to a lack of a horn on the anvil, and shape of the mounting hole/slot design on the base. I don't know if this might have varied over time or after Goodell Pratt was taken over by Miller Falls.

There were other companies that made or rebranded this style of vise over the years. One of the companies, whose name I forget, was mainly known for manufacturing cast iron housewares and I think maybe sewing machines. For some reason their version of this vise comes to mind when looking at your vise. I believe one may have been pictured here on garage journal in the past.

 

[neophyte]

Vindex was the vise brand I was thinking of. The trademark was owned by the National Sewing Machine Co. I can't find too many images of the Vindex vises, but the images I can find have a similar anvil and static jaw shape. The Vindex vises also have a similar jaw shape, although the vises usually seem to have a flat area above the jaws, similar to the Brink and Cotton vises. I didn't find any images of of a Vindex vise with a bolt down base, most have a clamp on base. So I can't say for certain but Vindex might be a possibility.

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Chilang,
As well as the Vindex and Brink & Cotton vises, another vise that's similar to yours is the Walker-Turner Driver vise (pictured below).
Is there a bird beak cast into the moving jaw body at the handle location?

Neophyte,
Very interesting read.

All,
I love these vises for small work. The ones that I've had were very accurate with movement.

 

[meatsis]

Ive been working on this for the past few days. My arms sure are tired from moving this thing around. Luckily Im Almost done Ill get more pics when its complete.

 

[PghJKB]

Anyone recognize this viseAntique extra heavy duty clamp on table vise 3 inch wide jaw . weighs 10 lbs no manufacturer name .

http://link.close5.com/3Mjb/X18GTeLV0u


NG
That looks to be a member of the Leavens/Stanley line.

However, the nose is a ball end, most Stanleys were round. It could be a Stanley OEM for someone else's label.

IMHO a pricey even though the condition is excellent. I would offer no more than $25, with $15 - $20 being the better neighborhood - with all the big uns going for stratospheric money, Wiltons going for crazy money, these little guys may be the next "big" thing.

JKB

 

[Craptain]

Well I did it again. Promised myself NO more vises and then another one shows up. This little Shop King cost me a whopping $10. And while the seller was unscrewing it I commented on the hardy hole. Just take a look in the drawers he said and lo and behold there it was.
Excellent condition and no signs of use on the jaws. I will just give this a quick clean and then flip.











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[Mark in Indiana]

Craptain,
To get a complete Shop King for 10$, you did GREAT!
I've always loved those Vises because of the art deco look.

 

[drivesitfar]

Thru: nice finds and cool picture of your Wilton stack.

Meatsis: didn't that 8 inch Athol have a crack in the slide or some damage? that static looks great so hopefully you can correct the damage or fix it and i'd love to have one show up around here so i could at least see one in person.

DEMO: i agree Sandman has some HUGE stuff as you do so hopefully one of his gems didn't fall on him because he went MIA again after posting those monsters.

Chilang: nothing much nicer than a workbench full of 70-100 year old vises all restored. i've seen several similar vises to the one you just found and i think the guys are onto helping you figure out who made it. it's a pretty stout little open screw one.

GMAN: don't feel like the lone ranger i've been looking for another anvil for a while now and guessing i'll have to wait until the guys with 20-50 in their barns die before a few big old ones show up.

ALL: I moved my Reed 4c yesterday and rubbing on a couple more coats of BLO. I'm really not looking forward to moving it again even though i only carried it in one piece for about 100 feet. i'll make a stand for it after i move and either buy or build a shop and not looking forward to lifting it again. do any of you move those 250+ pound vises in one piece or those huge anvils or all you all using lift tables? i think that's the next thing i need for my little garage.

cheers

 

[meatsis]

Thru: nice finds and cool picture of your Wilton stack.

Meatsis: didn't that 8 inch Athol have a crack in the slide or some damage? that static looks great so hopefully you can correct the damage or fix it and i'd love to have one show up around here so i could at least see one in person.

DEMO: i agree Sandman has some HUGE stuff as you do so hopefully one of his gems didn't fall on him because he went MIA again after posting those monsters.

Chilang: nothing much nicer than a workbench full of 70-100 year old vises all restored. i've seen several similar vises to the one you just found and i think the guys are onto helping you figure out who made it. it's a pretty stout little open screw one.

GMAN: don't feel like the lone ranger i've been looking for another anvil for a while now and guessing i'll have to wait until the guys with 20-50 in their barns die before a few big old ones show up.

ALL: I moved my Reed 4c yesterday and rubbing on a couple more coats of BLO. I'm really not looking forward to moving it again even though i only carried it in one piece for about 100 feet. i'll make a stand for it after i move and either buy or build a shop and not looking forward to lifting it again. do any of you move those 250+ pound vises in one piece or those huge anvils or all you all using lift tables? i think that's the next thing i need for my little garage.

cheers

Drives,
This is the 628 I picked up a few months ago in Pennsylvania. Theres no crack in the slide. There is a small chunk broken off the dynamic jaw.Its not bad but it bothers me. Not sure how im going to address that yet. My biggest issue with it was someone replaced the screw/handle assembly with one from an old parker. Luckily I went and picked up the 618 that I bought off ebay the other night. The screw and handle on that one is perfectly straight and not a single mark on it. The plan is to use that screw in the swivel model 628.

And as far as moving these monsters go, I usually use my engine hoist. Lift it up and roll it around anywhere you want.

 

[bulletpruf]

ALL: I moved my Reed 4c yesterday and rubbing on a couple more coats of BLO. I'm really not looking forward to moving it again even though i only carried it in one piece for about 100 feet. i'll make a stand for it after i move and either buy or build a shop and not looking forward to lifting it again. do any of you move those 250+ pound vises in one piece or those huge anvils or all you all using lift tables? i think that's the next thing i need for my little garage.

cheers

For moving heavy stuff around, I use Harbor Freight furniture dollies, with the handle installed. Cheap and stout. I have a few hundred pound Alfa Romeo engine sitting on one in my garage now.

My engine hoist is a few thousand miles away, but for picking up heavy stuff, I either grab a neighbor or use a chain hoist on my wooden gantry. The gantry is disassembled now, fits behind my bench. Just takes about 10 minutes to screw it all back together.

A 250 lb vise is a lot more manageable if you disassemble it.

Scott

 

[Craptain]

Craptain,
To get a complete Shop King for 10$, you did GREAT!
I've always loved those Vises because of the art deco look.

Thanks. I was happy enough with the price before finding the hardy. I also love the look but really have(?) to get down below 20 vises.

Another question I have. Why do eprey sellers think this is a 4" rather than the 3 1/2" that I measured?

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[CrotalusAtrox]

I usually refer to this type of vise as a Brink and Cotton style vise, because Frederick Brink had a patent on a vise of this style, and the Brink and Cotton Manufacturing Company continually manufactured this vise style for decades.

The Frederick Brink Patent was filed in late 1928 and published mid 1929. Goodell Pratt seems to have been manufacturing an almost identicle style of vise at the same time, or previously to the Frederick Brink patent. There is a 1926 Goodell Pratt Catalogue that can be found here.

http://www.blackburntools.com/articles/rose-tools-catalog-archives/pdfs/goodell-pratt-no-16.pdf

On page 6 and page 109 of the catalogue, there is pictured the Goodell Pratt modell 168 vise along with some other Goodell Pratt vises. Your vise looks very similar to the Goodell Pratt vises due to the smooth semi circle shape of the jaws when closed which seems to have been characteristic of most of the smaller Goodell vises. Your vise differs from the Goodell 168 vise due to a lack of a horn on the anvil, and shape of the mounting hole/slot design on the base. I don't know if this might have varied over time or after Goodell Pratt was taken over by Miller Falls.

There were other companies that made or rebranded this style of vise over the years. One of the companies, whose name I forget, was mainly known for manufacturing cast iron housewares and I think maybe sewing machines. For some reason their version of this vise comes to mind when looking at your vise. I believe one may have been pictured here on garage journal in the past.

Thanks so much for the information

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Found this one today the guy who sold it to me had some nice stuff some I could not afford a few I could. I think its Polish from what I gathered here, but not sure. It has six inch jaws in really good shape. Really smooth operation.

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[Craptain]

Found this one today the guy who sold it to me had some nice stuff some I could not afford a few I could. I think its Polish from what I gathered here, but not sure. It has six inch jaws in really good shape. Really smooth operation.

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FPU Bison. It is indeed Polish and is a phenomenal vise if you are comfortable with the "reversed" dynamic vs static jaws.

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[CrotalusAtrox]

Yea when I first operated it I it felt like I was driving on the wrong side of the street. Did a lot of that in Australia a few years back it was very strange. I think it may go on the bench

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Craptain,
"but really have(?) to get down below 20 vises."
...'round here that's blasphemy.


Chilang,
"Yea when I first operated it I it felt like I was driving on the wrong side of the street."
Try operating that vise after 3 or 4 beers...


All,
Have a good weekend!

 

[KMScott]

Mark, it is illegal to drink and drive a vise. Just thought I'd mention it.

Got my machine set today, had to lower it 9". I can put my elbow on the top of the frame work. Sure was fun getting it in my basement. Should be running next week. Gonna power it up Monday and hope it does not go through my kitchen floor. Table is below my knees, I can get used to that.

I invited Maclin up for a couple days to finish his vises. He got all the nice vises from the Golden pile. He needs some repair work done, and I will enjoy my self working with him on his vises. He lost his wife a year ago and just now getting back on his feet. Great guy, Oldie got one of his Starrett's. Have a great weekend guys.

 

[trijeff]

Wow, Kevin - looks fantastic, you and Macklin are going to have a blast

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[CrotalusAtrox]

Chilang,
As well as the Vindex and Brink & Cotton vises, another vise that's similar to yours is the Walker-Turner Driver vise (pictured below).
Is there a bird beak cast into the moving jaw body at the handle location?

Neophyte,
Very interesting read.

All,
I love these vises for small work. The ones that I've had were very accurate with movement.

No bird beak just smooth thanks for all the info

 

[Outlawmws]

Yea when I first operated it I it felt like I was driving on the wrong side of the street. Did a lot of that in Australia a few years back it was very strange. I think it may go on the bench

Try operating that vise after 3 or 4 beers...

Just be glad it isn't left hand thread on top of the bas-ackareds operating jaws!

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Kevin your shop is a vise mans best friend. I wish I was up in CO right now hotter then blazes in AZ, hard to get the gumption to get a few projects done.

Outlaw When I had three or four beers I usually switched to whiskey and god knows that vise would have me more confused then Bruce Jenner

 

[oldldh]

Reverend Scott --- I'm happy to hear about your basement's new resident chip maker, and I'm real glad Maclin is coming up...

Say "Hi" for me...

And tell him the 925 is the neighborhood's "Lawn Mower Blade Clamper" of choice, when sharpening time comes around...

The "Heat Index" has been over 105 for the last two weeks, so my work output is suffering...

I believe you've got, at least, six weeks before the first snow, so enjoy your summer...

Some board members may not have seen the "Golden Vise Pile", so here are some pictures, I have...

Would you and Maclin publish some of the photos you've got of the massive vise stash???

 

[GETRIDAONE]

While making plans to build another work bench I have to move some stuff around and make some room. I have this old stand and a Parker 976, I wonder if it will fit ? What are the odds the bolt pattern will fit perfect .

 

[Bottlecapdigger]

I like your Parker vise stand, What is that from? BCD

 

[GETRIDAONE]

I not sure what it had it, probably a lot of things over the years. It has mounting holes of different sizes all over it. I bought it at a antique/junk shop.

Added photo with Miller Falls vise sitting on it. The two seem to match well.

 

[KMScott]

Some board members may not have seen the "Golden Vise Pile", so here are some pictures, I have...

Would you and Maclin publish some of the photos you've got of the massive vise stash???

I will ask Maclin for some of his pictures Oldie, here is a truck load that I picked up in 2013 from a vise collector in Golden Colorado. I got 65 vises in one swoop and Maclin got at least that many if not more of the better ones. This pile and Gregg's helped me get many of my dimensions for vise jaws, swivel clamps and handles that I help many vise owners with. Now I have a extra machine to start restoring some of this old iron.

 

[G-ManBart]

All these pics of big vises are making me jealous


Okay experts, tell me if I'm mixed up or not. A local guy has a Reed 106 listed that is a combination I haven't seen before. It's a later production with the large logo, and what appears to be replaceable jaws and has the flattened spindle like the earlier R models.

The older models were simple....a 106 was fixed base with three bolt holes and a round spindle. A 106R was a fixed base with a flattened spindle and four bolt holes. A 206 was swivel base with a round spindle and a 206R was a swivel base with a flattened spindle.

This is a 106 with a round base like it should have been on a swivel, but I can't find evidence of their being newer, large logo 106R (fixed base) and 106S (swivel base) made. I've seen a large logo 108S but not a 108R with the large logo.

I'm thinking this is a 106S (can't tell in the pics) that someone took off the swivel...sound right? They're asking $225 which seems high given the bent handle, lack of the swivel base, and condition of the jaws, but it seems structurally sound from the other pics I saw...no obvious cracks or welds.

 

[jakemac]

Is that a weld bead on the base, behind the lock hole, or is that low cast lettering on that 106(R/S) ?