The VISES of Garage Journal

[Outlawmws]

Is that a wild bead on the base, behind the lock hole, or is that low cast lettering on that 106(R/S) ?

A bit more light; Jake are you talking about the crud in the base to vertical angle?

And it almost looks like a "N" stamped in there?

 

[G-ManBart]

Here are two more of the Reed 106:

 

[jakemac]

Meant "weld bead" not "wild bead". Fixed the post. Damned auto correct.

Yes, that's the spot I was looking at. The new picture has a better view. Looks like it's just a rough casting.

 

[15til3]

Other than Wiltons what are some of the other sought after vises?

I'd like one that's functional, aesthetically pleasing and vintage

 

[va.grouseman]

Here is a pair of those Prentiss pipe jaws you don't see to often, on EBay.---A little pricy.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/351782488241?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

 

[va.grouseman]

Other than Wiltons what are some of the other sought after vises?

I'd like one that's functional, aesthetically pleasing and vintage

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All right, which one of you fellows want to take that one.

 

[Craptain]

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All right, which one of you fellows want to take that one.

Other than Wiltons what are some of the other sought after vises?

I'd like one that's functional, aesthetically pleasing and vintage

If I were you I would be looking for something like the Craftsman that I conveniently have for sale right now. Functional for the average home shop/garage and yet with the art deco style that never goes out of date.










Tongue firmly in cheek.

Well not too firmly.


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[jakemac]

What !?!???
No one is going to tell him to grab a HF vise ? Value for money, doncha know.

Seriously, start at post #1 and continue to the end. You'll learn more than you ever wanted to know.

 

[ganymede]

Other than Wiltons what are some of the other sought after vises?

I'd like one that's functional, aesthetically pleasing and vintage

There are 3 that immediately come to mind even though there are dozens of old school vise brands...
Reed, Parker, Athol.
All are old, and functional. Aesthetically pleasing is your call.

 

[Outlawmws]

Meant "weld bead" not "wild bead". Fixed the post. Damned auto correct.

Yes, that's the spot I was looking at. The new picture has a better view. Looks like it's just a rough casting.

You know, in that last new pic, it looks like the base was welded to either a table/bench or a swivel base...

 

[G-ManBart]

You know, in that last new pic, it looks like the base was welded to either a table/bench or a swivel base...

It's possible, but I think it was more likely attached to something aluminum that caused galvanic corrosion. The Wilton 600 I just restored had damage in the same area that looked extremely similar. It was bolted to a piece of diamond plate aluminum when I picked it up....even I can pick up on that sort of clue

 

[Outlawmws]

If it was galvanic corrosion, and assuming it was bare metal on the bottom as shown, I'd expect pitting across the whole base, not the edge and exactly where a weld would be.

 

[Bcom]

Just got one of my c0's done today with custom pressed polished end cap

 

[mike_paxton]

Just got one of my c0's done today with custom pressed polished end cap

Bcom:

Great finish and work done on the Wilton.

Mike

 

[oldldh]

Now that is a proper paint job!!!

Arrest-Me-Red !!!!

 

[Outlawmws]

Bcom, did you get the Wilton label from Wilton? or make them, or get them from someone here?

Nice job! great detail!

 

[Bcom]

The label on this Wilton came directly from Wilton

 

[bagged89s10]

Here are two more of the Reed 106:

It looks like at one that that vise might have been welded to its swivel base. Tough to see clearly though in the pictures.

 

[bagged89s10]

Just got one of my c0's done today with custom pressed polished end cap

Great work on that restoration!

 

[bagged89s10]

The label on this Wilton came directly from Wilton

Who did you talk to at wilton to get the label. Their customer service seemed to **** the last time I called them.

 

[biltonjim]

A Record 516 Heavy Chipping vise / vice. I bought this several years ago, in a rough state. I spent countless hours scrubbing rust off the body and screw. At the time, the Record factory at Parkway Works, Sheffield, was still active in some way, despite being owned by Irwin. Perhaps it was just the office facilities that were operational. I contacted them to request a pair of jaw plates for this 516, but sadly they could not help. In the end, I found an engineering company to make a pair, and a superb job they made. The area on the vise around the jaw plates was quite indented, presumably from miss-aimed hammer blows in the past, so I ground those out as best I could. There is some free play in the slide and screw, but not excessive.
The Record works informed me that Stokes Paints of Sheffield could supply the correct blue enamel needed, so after a coat of grey primer, I brushed on two coats of their excellent Roundel Blue.
I'm pleased with the result of my work. I don't have a workshop or bench to house the vice, and it is heavy (120lbs.) and awkward to move, so it lives a life of retirement in the boiler room!
I keep an eye open for a 518 or 518 1/2 to come up for sale, but I guess they are even more scarce than the 516.

 

[dieselsmoke]

^^^ That's a classy vise.

 

[MJ1045]

Re: Help with Parker Vise...

Would appreciate feedback on approximate value. May be interested in selling.

Thanks!

Good evening! I stumbled across this forum while looking for information on a Parker vise that I've had for a number of years. I "inherited" this vise when I bought my first home in 1997 and this vise was mounted on the workbench in the shed. I've since moved and brought this vise with me. According to the stamping this is a C. Parker No. 100 and it weighs 34-35 lbs. I've searched the internet and spent some time on this forum, but I am not finding much (actually nothing) on the No. 100 model. I would very much appreciate learning more about this vise. Things like... age, it's original use, opinions on condition, potential value, is it worth restoring? Any infomation would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Mike

Would appreciate feedback on approximate value. May be interested in selling.

Thanks!

 

[CutterFarms]

Any guesses which model this 5" vice would be?

 

[oldldh]

biltonjim --- I have but one comment...

YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!

 

[G-ManBart]

If it was galvanic corrosion, and assuming it was bare metal on the bottom as shown, I'd expect pitting across the whole base, not the edge and exactly where a weld would be.

That's what I would have thought until I bought the Wilton 600. The entire bottom was flat and unpitted, and the base edge on both sides was corroded away like the Reed is. I waited to fix the edge until after the e-bath, wire wheel, and coat of primer (so it wouldn't start rusting). It was mounted on a piece of aluminum diamond plate when I got it or I wouldn't have thought it possible. The other pic I saw of the Reed wasn't very clear, but it looks like it has more of the same on the other side.

I can only assume that galvanic corrosion starts with the area of least mass and that could be why it happens on the side of the base, farther from the body of the vise....crazy, but there seems to be a pattern there.



In this pic from the day I picked it up you can see where the corrosion is clearly, and how it developed. There's also a bit of the white powder on the aluminum as a telltale giveaway.

 

[G-ManBart]

A Record 516 Heavy Chipping vise / vice.

Very nice!

 

[Bcom]

Who did you talk to at wilton to get the label. Their customer service seemed to **** the last time I called them.

Tony Wiseman through Wiltons email customer service. Hes awesome and seems like he always willing to help. Member (autopts) on garage journal also has an alternative hommade label that looks nearly identical. I also have 3 of these that he made. He sells them for a couple bucks.

 

[Outlawmws]

G-man did you get the Wilton from the original owner? Was it for certain that the aluminum plate was its original installation? Was the aluminum plate similarly damaged? The Wilton looks like it has heat marks from being welded on once upon a time. If it WAS to be galvanic corrosion, why exactly where its easy to weld, and not elsewhere?

We have seen vises welded to benches, stands and swivel bases many times in this thread, and I've seen a few live. Both look like weld breakout to me.

 

[Bellaireroad]

A Record 516 Heavy Chipping vise / vice. I bought this several years ago, in a rough state. I spent countless hours scrubbing rust off the body and screw. At the time, the Record factory at Parkway Works, Sheffield, was still active in some way, despite being owned by Irwin. Perhaps it was just the office facilities that were operational. I contacted them to request a pair of jaw plates for this 516, but sadly they could not help. In the end, I found an engineering company to make a pair, and a superb job they made. The area on the vise around the jaw plates was quite indented, presumably from miss-aimed hammer blows in the past, so I ground those out as best I could. There is some free play in the slide and screw, but not excessive.
The Record works informed me that Stokes Paints of Sheffield could supply the correct blue enamel needed, so after a coat of grey primer, I brushed on two coats of their excellent Roundel Blue.
I'm pleased with the result of my work. I don't have a workshop or bench to house the vice, and it is heavy (120lbs.) and awkward to move, so it lives a life of retirement in the boiler room!
I keep an eye open for a 518 or 518 1/2 to come up for sale, but I guess they are even more scarce than the 516.

Beautiful job! I just picked up a Paramo 6, and I hope it looks that good when done

 

[FMC1959]

Here are two more of the Reed 106:

At some point, maybe early 60's, Reed went to a similar system as Wilton. They did away wth the 200 series, every size was a 100 series, with "N" for stationary and "S" for swivel base. And also did the same base plate for both, the "S" model have the swivel which can also be added to the "N" model, like Wilton.

I am pretty sure I have a brochure showing this, but I don't have access to my computer at the moment.

 

[G-ManBart]

G-man did you get the Wilton from the original owner? Was it for certain that the aluminum plate was its original installation? Was the aluminum plate similarly damaged? The Wilton looks like it has heat marks from being welded on once upon a time. If it WAS to be galvanic corrosion, why exactly where its easy to weld, and not elsewhere?

We have seen vises welded to benches, stands and swivel bases many times in this thread, and I've seen a few live. Both look like weld breakout to me.

The vise came from an estate sale so there is no guarantee who the original owner was, but I have no reason to doubt the seller's claim that it came from the original owner.

Obviously there's no way to know if the vise was moved over the years.

Galvanic corrosion doesn't attack the metals equally, but the aluminum did show damage. As I understand it, the mass of the two dissimilar metals also has an affect on the corrosion rate, so a small diamond plate that weighs a few pounds versus 125lbs of ductile iron should have entered into the equation even though iron is closer to the anode end of the spectrum than steel/cast iron/ductile iron is.

It's important to note that the diamond plate showed an exact outline of the damage to the base of the vise...it was like a fingerprint following the scallops around the edge.

There were no heat damage marks on the vise. I've welded enough to be able to spot that. Further, if it was welded to a table and removed, there would be evidence of torch or grinder damage from when it was removed....none to be found. It would be pretty hard to cut that thing free and not leave any marks anywhere.

As I said earlier, I can only assume that galvanic corrosion would attack the area of the base with the least mass first, and that would be the edges on the side of the base. If you look at the earlier pic I posted of the vise on the base you'll see it had rollers and set bolts on it. I think it was mounted on something like a hitch mount or maybe on a I beam of sorts and spent time outside. That would explain galvanic corrosion (rainwater as electrolyte) and the paint being badly faded.

In short, I looked it over really well in person, and I'm as sure as can be the vise wasn't welded to anything. Trying to make that sort of determination from pictures isn't going to be nearly as easy, so I understand people asking about it. I've also seen vises welded to things and it looked different...and quite different if they were then cut off.

This is the base the 600 came off.

 

[G-ManBart]

At some point, maybe early 60's, Reed went to a similar system as Wilton. They did away wth the 200 series, every size was a 100 series, with "N" for stationary and "S" for swivel base. And also did the same base plate for both, the "S" model have the swivel which can also be added to the "N" model, like Wilton.

I am pretty sure I have a brochure showing this, but I don't have access to my computer at the moment.

If you can check the brochure when you get the chance I'd appreciate it....would love to know the real history.

 

[partsproduction]

PP: you have some very cool vises and that one is another one. any idea how many vises you own?

Counting business vises probably 16 or 20. Only uncommon vises are interesting to me, of all my vises the Oliva is my favorite;

Oddly enough the only American made vises I own are several Kurt AngLocks, and some drill press vises. I'd love to have a 100+ lb American vise with the curved tongue and groove jaw inserts. Maybe scale up 1-3 and fab one up out of mild steel that is 3' high and 500 lbs, hah hah.

 

[FMC1959]

If you can check the brochure when you get the chance I'd appreciate it....would love to know the real history.

By brochure, I mean an ad, so not many details. Not sure where I got this, probably earlier pages within this thread. It's titled as a 1979 Reed ad, not sure if that is accurate, but it could very well have been late 70's rather than 60's when Reed got rid of the 200 series moniker.

They show the bases that were sold to convert any N model to an S.

 

[drivesitfar]

PP: just ask and i'll bring a couple big uns down to your shop so you can take some measurements if you are serious. that little Olivia is a gem, but i might like a few of your other small ones better.

ALL: so is this ARMSTRONG vise a made in Chicago or assembled in Chicago and made in Japan, Taiwan or China? it looks like a re branded Columbian, but not certain. for a couple of benjamins it doesn't seem like a bad deal.

also broke my drought today and bought a one inch jaw clamp on vise. i tried to buy a 6 inch blacksmith vise, but couldn't pull the trigger cause would really just like one 8 incher to use and not have a collection of them. i'll post pictures of my little guy later when i dig him out of the box of goodies i bought with him.

 

[IHmachinery]

A Record 516 Heavy Chipping vise / vice. I bought this several years ago, in a rough state. I spent countless hours scrubbing rust off the body and screw. At the time, the Record factory at Parkway Works, Sheffield, was still active in some way, despite being owned by Irwin. Perhaps it was just the office facilities that were operational. I contacted them to request a pair of jaw plates for this 516, but sadly they could not help. In the end, I found an engineering company to make a pair, and a superb job they made. The area on the vise around the jaw plates was quite indented, presumably from miss-aimed hammer blows in the past, so I ground those out as best I could. There is some free play in the slide and screw, but not excessive.

The Record works informed me that Stokes Paints of Sheffield could supply the correct blue enamel needed, so after a coat of grey primer, I brushed on two coats of their excellent Roundel Blue.

I'm pleased with the result of my work. I don't have a workshop or bench to house the vice, and it is heavy (120lbs.) and awkward to move, so it lives a life of retirement in the boiler room!

I keep an eye open for a 518 or 518 1/2 to come up for sale, but I guess they are even more scarce than the 516.

VERY nice restoration! A beautiful vise (er, vice) ...


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[autopts]

Any guesses which model this 5" vice would be?

Cutter Sorry for the lag time in a response. That bullet is a 5" Model 9500. I can't read if it says "Chicago" or "Schiller Pk. I'm guessing 1953 or earlier. Those were and still are great user vises today. I believe its "Chicago" having 5"W X 3/4"H jaws. Its a poor photo, but looks to be in good condition. The handle can be straightened. I could be later, not sure.

 

[va.grouseman]

Drive, you didn't!---Well I would say back to rehab, but rehab is for quitters and I don't think you ever will.

Nice Armstrong, Drive.---Does look like a Columbian in every way.

Just kidding about rehab.---Just like me, you can quit anytime you want to.

 

[skunkape1]

If it was galvanic corrosion, and assuming it was bare metal on the bottom as shown, I'd expect pitting across the whole base, not the edge and exactly where a weld would be.

The edge is obviously where the most oxygen would be located in this scenario. Oxygen plays a large role in the intensity of galvanic corrosion.